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May 2, 2008 10:31:17 PM

So I have a week left until I order parts, for my first build. I am just wondering what you guys would change about the parts I have chosen. I am looking to overclock everything as much as possible, but very stable. This is a gaming machine ONLY(I have several other computers that are used for anything else). Whatever parts you recommend, I would like them to have just as much performance as my choices, money is not a major concern to me, as I have a budget of $2000. I am not rich or anything even close, but I just want as much performance as possible for gaming, and I want top quality parts. I want to OC the processor, the memory, and the gpu's. Here are the parts I have chosen.

Parts already purchased:

EVGA 8800GT Superclocked (2) in sli
Item #: N82E16814130319

LITE-ON Black SATA Blu-ray DVD-ROM Drive Model DH-4O1S-08
Item #: N82E16827106225

Gateway FHD2400 Black-Silver 24" 3ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ 4-port USB Hub and Height & Pivot Adjustments
Item #: N82E16824113012

Parts that will be purchased in a week:

SILVERSTONE TJ09-BW Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811163073

ZALMAN MFC1 Plus-B Black 6 Channel Multi Fan Controller - Retail
Item #: N82E16811999171

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000340AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822148274


SILVERSTONE OP1000 ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V 1000W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817256010

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
Item #: N82E16835100007

Labtec PC Mic 333 980184-0403 Silver 3.5mm Connector Microphone
Item #: N82E16836111208

IOGEAR GCS942UW6 Hybrid DVI-D KVM for a USB mouse and PS/2 keyboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16817399024

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231166

EVGA 123-YW-E175-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i FTW SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813188026

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115037

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan - Retail (4)
Item #: N82E16835185006

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835233003

ARCTIC COOLING ACCELS1 Rev 2 VGA Cooler - Retail (2)
Item #: N82E16835186016

ARCTIC COOLING Turbo Module Sleeve Dual VGA Fan - Retail (2)
Item #: N82E16835186021


I plan on running XP SP2, I typically play First person shooters. So what would you change? Remember whatever you change about this MUST have the same performance. In the future I plan on adding a really nice watercooling setup. Not sure which one yet though. Add that to the list aswell.

Now I don't stay happy for long, meaning within 2 years I will wanna upgrade several parts(cpu, video cards, maybe the mobo, ram) so keep that in mind. This system will be upgraded inside 2 years.

Thanks. Look forward to seeing what you guys come up with.

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May 2, 2008 10:47:09 PM

DDR2 1066 is only good if you plan to do a very high OC. Any OC to 3.8ghz or under will be better with DDR2 800 as the DDR2 1066 will be underclocked for a 1:1 ratio.

Other than that it looks like a solid build. Good luck!
May 2, 2008 10:53:46 PM

I plan to overclock everything as much as possible. But so that it is stable. I never have overclocked anything YET. But I will be learning as I go. But I still want maximum performance out everything I buy. Thanks dude, I am gonna need it. But I plan to lay everything out, and read each manual, so I do not screw anything up, and take my time. Thanks again. Keep that feedback coming. I am thinking about another power supply, check out this one, it's the other I am thinking about getting versus the Silverstone.

PC Power & Cooling PPCT860 ATX12V / EPS12V 860W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817703013
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May 2, 2008 11:00:23 PM

You can’t get a really nice water cooling setup unless you build it yourself...
Here is a near perfect list of parts for water.

This will cost you about $300-450, cools the CPU only. Add GPU waterblocks if you wish


-Swiftech Opogee GTX Waterblock - 5/9”OD barbs
- Thermochill 120.3 rad
-Swiftech MCP655 12v Industrial pump
-1*Smartcoils 625blue
-10 foot Masterclear pvc tubing 7/16”ID , 5/9”OD
-3* Scythe S-Flex SFF21F fans (for the Rad)
-Swiftech ½” OD Chrome plated barbs (for rad)
-Copper T connection (for the T line)
-Feser One Fluid UV Purple NON-CONDUCTIVE Water Replacement (used about 20 OZ. for this system)
-Danger Den Fillport
-Swiftech MCB-120 Radbox to mount Rad.
May 2, 2008 11:04:30 PM

grieve said:
You can’t get a really nice water cooling setup unless you build it yourself...
Here is a near perfect list of parts for water.

This will cost you about $300-450, cools the CPU only. Add GPU waterblocks if you wish


-Swiftech Opogee GTX Waterblock - 5/9”OD barbs
- Thermochill 120.3 rad
-Swiftech MCP655 12v Industrial pump
-1*Smartcoils 625blue
-10 foot Masterclear pvc tubing 7/16”ID , 5/9”OD
-3* Scythe S-Flex SFF21F fans (for the Rad)
-Swiftech ½” OD Chrome plated barbs (for rad)
-Copper T connection (for the T line)
-Feser One Fluid UV Purple NON-CONDUCTIVE Water Replacement (used about 20 OZ. for this system)
-Danger Den Fillport
-Swiftech MCB-120 Radbox to mount Rad.

Watercooling is so not worth it. Save the money for upgrades. :p 

It also comes with problems, like leaks... or algae growth, or leaks with algae growth. :na: 
May 2, 2008 11:06:01 PM

SWEET, thanks grieve. I am a noob at all this, and I have been on Tom's for approx. 3 months, and I have learned SOOO much, compared to what I did, before which was nothing. Anyhow, since this is my first build, I think I will do the watercooling down the road, but I deffinitely want to. I just wanna get this first build under my belt, and god willing it goes well. Then i will beef up the cooling. Thanks again. Keep that feedback coming!!!
May 2, 2008 11:08:17 PM

By no means am I arguing this, like I said I am new at all this, but I think alot of folks on here and articles, would agree otherwise with you. There is so much out there saying that for superior cooling, water is the way to go. Why do you disagree. Remember by know means am I arguing here, just learning. And doesn't water dissapate heat better than, copper/aluminum??? Thanks dagger.
May 2, 2008 11:19:34 PM

bryan240g said:
By no means am I arguing this, like I said I am new at all this, but I think alot of folks on here and articles, would agree otherwise with you. There is so much out there saying that for superior cooling, water is the way to go. Why do you disagree. Remember by know means am I arguing here, just learning. And doesn't water dissapate heat better than, copper/aluminum??? Thanks dagger.

The water doesn't actually dissipate heat. It only transfers the heat to the cooler, where it is dissipated through fans. The water is a heat carrier. The heat goes from chip to water to main cooler to air, compared to from chip directly to air.

I disagreed because the cheaper water cooling solutions have been benchmarked to perform at or below high end air cooling solutions, but are much harder to install, cost far more, requires more room in your case and more maintanence. High end water cooling is... expensive. :p 

Another thing is, heat isn't as much of a problem for high oc as vcore. If you run at the high voltage required to really take advantage of high end water cooling, you're risking instant burn out at any given time, even if the chip is ice cold.
May 3, 2008 12:20:23 AM

Oh, I see. Again I am learning here, and I did not know that. I see what your saying now. Ok well what do you think between the 2 power supplies I chose? Which one is better? I believe they are both to be Tier 1 Power supplies. Is there anybody else who would like to change something about my future build? Keep that feedback coming. Thanks.
May 3, 2008 12:41:53 AM

Your build is looking good so far mate, although it has to be said I'm running more kit on a Corsair 620HX so IMHO a 1000w PSU is way overkill.

P.S Dagger knows buggerall about watercooling.
May 3, 2008 12:47:05 AM

Thanks bro. Well I Value all opinions.
May 3, 2008 1:52:14 AM

So does anyone else wanna make any changes to my build or do they comments about it?
May 3, 2008 2:04:46 AM

bryan240g said:
So does anyone else wanna make any changes to my build or do they comments about it?

Get 780i for slightly better overclocking. It still won't go much beyond 1600mhz fsb though, which is 3.6ghz for e8400's 9x multiplier. Since you've already brought 2 nvidia cards for sli, you're locked out of higher ocing Intel chipsets (x38/x48/p45).

There's always q6700 with 10x multiplier, which is 4.0ghz on 1600mhz fsb, but that would mean changing cpu.
May 3, 2008 2:12:01 AM

The PC Power and Cooling turbo-cool 860 is better than the Silverstone OP1000. It is backed by a 7 year warranty and has a >200,000 Hour MTBF.
May 3, 2008 3:10:22 AM

e8400 should hit 4.0 ghz, at least that's what everybody is saying on here. even woth the board I have chosen. Are you saying that is incorrect?
May 3, 2008 5:53:45 AM

Keep those comments, and ideas coming.
May 3, 2008 2:34:54 PM

bryan240g said:
e8400 should hit 4.0 ghz, at least that's what everybody is saying on here. even woth the board I have chosen. Are you saying that is incorrect?

Yes, that is incorrect. In your case, the motherboard is the bottleneck, not cpu. The 780i chipset can't provide the high fsb necessary for high overclocking.

780i/p35 runs at 1333mhz fsb natively, and reliably overclock to 1600mhz. X38/48 run at 1600mhz fsb natively, and reliably overclock to 2000mhz. 1600mhz fsb = 3.6ghz for e8400.
May 6, 2008 3:55:17 PM

I have to agree water cooling isn’t really worth the cash 99% of the time...
I would personally suggest getting the #1 air cooler over a water solution. I spent about $500 on my water and that’s just CPU, the VGA block is goint to cost me an additional 100-140 for full coverage.

But… you get to mod your case, install the water and up with superior performance. I guess if you are into that then I would go for it for sure, assuming you have the cash. I had a lot of fun learning and installing the water.

Its all about individual needs/wants.
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