AnandTech dupes Nehalem benchmaks

Seems AnandTech in their Nehalem preview (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] spx?i=3326)
has deliberately modified the scores of Penryn from a cople of monts ago. Anand is claiming that the reduction of scores is due to a Vista update. (is that true?)

Scientia (http://scientiasblog.blogspot.com/ [...] hokes.html) has an article describing the diferences between scores of Penryn from january and the scores it used to compare Penryn with Nehalem. And the finding is that Penryn scores were higher back then by 980 points. (Efectively reducing Nehalem's advantage to 10% in a multithreaded scenario)

I don't know why Anand hasn't provided an explanation for reduced Penryn scores in the Nehalem comparison and if there really is a valid reason to those reductions (a Vista update? that has reduced the score of 3D Max 9 by 21%? I personally doubt it, and I would like to see a confirmation that this indeed happened)

Anyway I hope to see more professional testing soon.

Message edited by Cryogenic on 06-06-2008 at 10:50:05 AM

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absolutely insane...i still got a few years left out of my Q9450, but seeing it get slaughtered like this makes me sad -tear-

nehalem will be mind blowing...wow

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Reply to aznguy0028

We'll see... Pretty soon many other sites will post their results and if your claim is true Anandtech will be discredited...

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Reply to amdfangirl

*cringes at the thought of Dr Max F or Thomas D posting here*

Oh god no please .....

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Reply to reynod

^ huh?

Reply to amdfangirl

amdfangirl wrote :

We'll see... Pretty soon many other sites will post their results and if your claim is true Anandtech will be discredited...

The Nehalem thing is getting interesting, on TH there's that video of "insane overclocking" on air without disclosed speed, on AnandTech they only benchmark an 2.66 GHz Nehalem (which is lower than Penryn) and also Nehalem has a higher power usage than Penryn in their tests ... then there's the "ajusted" Penryn scores ... Frankly I believed all along that Nehalem will deliver about 30% over Penryn clock for clock and higher frequencies but now I'm beginning to have some doubts about that.

reynod wrote :

*cringes at the thought of Dr Max F or Thomas D posting here*

Oh god no please .....

Why? has this place been taken over completely?

Reply to Cryogenic

if anand did modify the numbers, why? they don't seem to have anything to gain by doing so. did you take into account the fact that they underclocked the penryn to match the nehelem's speed for a clock-by-clock comparison?

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Reply to jeremyrailton

I would hate to think that shenanigans are afoot over at Anand. But, if memory serves me correct (and maybe not after smoking one too many blunts) Anand posted some shady early benchmarks regarding Conroe. So, with that said, it's plausible that some numbers "modification" took place.

I have no doubt that Nehalem will be a performer, but I'm gonna reserve judgement until more 3rd party reviews are available.

Shame that Nehalem will initially be priced outside of my budget.

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jeremyrailton wrote :

if anand did modify the numbers, why? they don't seem to have anything to gain by doing so. did you take into account the fact that they underclocked the penryn to match the nehelem's speed for a clock-by-clock comparison?

They actualy updated their Penryn Scores in the article

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"(Updated: The original single-threaded Penryn Cinebench numbers were incorrect, we've included the correct ones):"

"Cinebench shows us only a 2% increase in core-to-core performance from Penryn to Nehalem at the same clock speed. For applications that don't go out to main memory much and can stay confined to a single core, Nehalem behaves very much like Penryn. Remember that outside of the memory architecture and HT tweaks to the core, Nehalem's list of improvements are very specific (e.g. faster unaligned cache accesses)."

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Reply to Cryogenic

I don't think Anand did it intentionally.

I've noticed before that AT does not really establish a 'coherent' and consistent base of benchies (like Tom's CPU Charts). They run through a bunch of different tests and systems and it gets really difficult to make comparisons.

He did the same thing with Skulltrail. He ran both SLI and Crossfire on Skulltrail and compared the results side by side ....

The only problem was in comparable tests (games and resolutions) several months previous on the 790fx chipset the Crossfire results were substantially higher. Kinda gave a false impression .... :whistle:

Reply to wisecracker

one thing for sure Nehalem will be faster then any AMD's offering for the next year or so.ahahahaha

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Reply to iluvgillgill

Vista could take some performance out but recently it has been performing much like XP. I am not sure what they did to make the socres what they were.

I think they said the Penryn setup was a bit handicapped as was the Nehalem setup since it wasnt at its true peak performance.

I do have no doubt that Nehalem will probably lay the smaketh down on Penryn when we have nice mobos from Asus and such and the silicon is in its final stages.

I also think the power consumption will go down. Its possible that the mobo was not regulating the voltage sufficiently so it could have possibly caused it to use more power than it truly will.

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Reply to jimmysmitty

From a comment at Roborat's blog.... ( http://roborat64.blogspot.com/ )

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For someone so uptight about proper testing methodologies and calling into question all the details, it would be helpful if he actually looked the details of the tests before spouting off. When Sci points out that Anand's old review showed the Q9450 get a score of 3297 in the single threaded Cinebench run, which is obviously higher than the one reported in the Nehalem preview score of Q9450 = 2931, it should be noted that was because the old test was using the 64-bit Vista OS while the new one is using 32-Bit Vista.

Looking at this Vista comparison benchmark by Extremetech, the Vista 64-bit gives a 10% advantage over 32-bit, which easily explains a the difference.

http://www.extremetech.com/article [...] 813,00.asp

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Ahhh...well then I wounder what Nehalem would have done in a 64bit enviroment...... Makes ya wounder if it would have widened the gap....

mmmm.......Nehalem....

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Reply to jimmysmitty

im waiting for exciting price drop for the current Core 2!!!yum.......

Reply to iluvgillgill

bump

Reply to wisecracker

Hey Chunky Monster,

Maybe Nehalem wouldn't be out of your budget, if you weren't wasting all your money on "Blunts" as you put it.

Your quote is perfect, your ass does all your talking. You should think about that real long and hard next time you drop some coin on your "Blunts".

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Reply to dragoncyber

dragoncyber wrote :

Hey Chunky Monster,

Maybe Nehalem wouldn't be out of your budget, if you weren't wasting all your money on "Blunts" as you put it.

Your quote is perfect, your ass does all your talking. You should think about that real long and hard next time you drop some coin on your "Blunts".

Hey now why all the hate on pot?

Word, Playa.

Reply to spud

^ :lol:

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Shadow703793 wrote :

^ :lol:

Makes me sad the stigma that follows pot, but alcohol which is also a drug doesn't get near the "hate". When was the last time a pot head beat his wife, kill someone in an automobile accident, went on a violent rampage, or passed out in a alley.

Now in no way am I praising drugs as crack and meth are a serious issue but all in all pot tends to be the lesser of the evils, maybe because I am a adamant pot smoker that keeps to himself and doesn’t push the product on anyone, but common hating on something that just slows a person down mentally isn't justified. Well I suppose your views on the product do have merit I wont argue that but my original statement holds true regardless if your feel its a evil product or not, but it is found naturally so without the need of human tinkering, the tinkering just makes it that much more potent.

Word, Playa.

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Reply to spud

dragoncyber wrote :

Hey Chunky Monster,

Maybe Nehalem wouldn't be out of your budget, if you weren't wasting all your money on "Blunts" as you put it.

Your quote is perfect, your ass does all your talking. You should think about that real long and hard next time you drop some coin on your "Blunts".

Someone needs a blunt.

Reply to DeafB4Dishonor

spud wrote :

Makes me sad the stigma that follows pot, but alcohol which is also a drug doesn't get near the "hate". When was the last time a pot head beat his wife, kill someone in an automobile accident, went on a violent rampage, or passed out in a alley.

Now in no way am I praising drugs as crack and meth are a serious issue but all in all pot tends to be the lesser of the evils, maybe because I am a adamant pot smoker that keeps to himself and doesn’t push the product on anyone, but common hating on something that just slows a person down mentally isn't justified. Well I suppose your views on the product do have merit I wont argue that but my original statement holds true regardless if your feel its a evil product or not, but it is found naturally so without the need of human tinkering, the tinkering just makes it that much more potent.

Word, Playa.

Yup, there are so many evils in this world... were all far from perfect... I'm a certified chocolate addict!

Seriously I hope you get some counselling and etc. Might help you live... its almost more important that anything else in your life... please, try and lose the smokes...

All evil is bad, even chocolate... or alcohol... and alcohol users can get pretty mad too... Imagine chickadee + y6 farewell + alcohol... before you go all oooh ah, almost everybody drinks at our school... not me tho...

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amdfangirl wrote :

Yup, there are so many evils in this world... were all far from perfect... I'm a certified chocolate addict!

Seriously I hope you get some counselling and etc. Might help you live... its almost more important that anything else in your life... please, try and lose the smokes...

All evil is bad, even chocolate... or alcohol... and alcohol users can get pretty mad too... Imagine chickadee + y6 farewell + alcohol... before you go all oooh ah, almost everybody drinks at our school... not me tho...

Counselling for what? You have a medical paper that states pot = cancer? Plus frankly if it kills me it kills me, no tax dollars go to the government from pot to fund their wars, no tax dollars go to the government to fund their terrible spending or lucrative salaries. All in all the sooner I am dead the sooner I get to miss the world economy slump, the soon to be real energy crisis, food crisis, and the 1st atomic weapon used on civilian targets since WW2.

Word, Playa.

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I suppose we'll all be dead anyway, but just try... there must be something in your life important to you...

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iluvgillgill wrote :

one thing for sure Nehalem will be faster then any AMD's offering for the next year or so.ahahahaha

And you will have to sell your car to have one. Keep your fanboism to the max. And your Celerons aswell.

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iluvgillgill wrote :

one thing for sure Nehalem will be faster then any AMD's offering for the next year or so.ahahahaha

whats your point? everbody already knows that AMD is in a bad time. But let me tell you this a Intel only world is bad for us no competition = very high prices, we will be back in the day where a processor would cost a few grand.

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Reply to Flakes

i dont have a car though....hum....what should i sell.you maybe!i droppped my celeron actually.got a P4 now!haha

Reply to iluvgillgill

the thing of it is, i think, is that anand and crew never really lost their AMD love...if you'll recall, pretty much from the inception of athlon slot A, anandtech was the progenitor of AMDism...
i remember even recent articles having a flavour of "well, core architecture is amazing...but we've yet to hear from AMD"...even the original phenom debut article was less the criticism it needed to be, and more of a lament for lost crowns...
let us not forget, either, that until toms sold, and right up until the introduction of core 2 arch...they were pretty AMD biased too.

i'm not "calling out" anandtech on this review because they may or may not've fudged a few numbers. i'm calling them out because the numbers they've shown for nehalem have left me rethinking my position on future AMD purchases.
but the more i read, the less concerned with it i am. i'll still slag phenom as a disappointment, but i did that even before this nehalem report. i'll still keep my mind open about nehalem as more and newer numbers come in.
if they lock out oc'ing on the mainstream parts, i'm out. if not, i'm torn...

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Reply to dario77

amdfangirl wrote :

I suppose we'll all be dead anyway, but just try... there must be something in your life important to you...

Not overly, my cats are up there but they would just eat my eyes if I died so thats pretty moot as well. It's not that I don't want to live liveing is great but if tomorrow I got into a accident where I was to die, thats it I'm dead or soon to be dead what the hell do I care toss my body in a ditch and skip with the morbid burial deal. Folks tend to think of death as something to avoid or be fearful of but it's not, look around you look at all the people and tell me if 1% of them are actually happy and love every second of life, or are they just going on by trying to get through the day? We have let the powers that be destroy our happiness and we love it because we can buy whatever the credit card will allow (i disprove of credit so I dont have one), we can live beyond our means and it feels great especially when you see someone you know less off than you. And anyone that says they dont feel better about themselves when such things come along are liars.

Happiness is directly connected with money now, you cant have anything without money and the worst of it is money doesnt need us or happiness to exists just another souless minion to make and spend it.

Word, Playa.

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Reply to spud

I'm with spud on this one, don't knock the cannabis unless you know what you're actually talking about, its not like we're injecting ketamine into our asses

Peace

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spud wrote :

Not overly, my cats are up there but they would just eat my eyes if I died so thats pretty moot as well. It's not that I don't want to live liveing is great but if tomorrow I got into a accident where I was to die, thats it I'm dead or soon to be dead what the hell do I care toss my body in a ditch and skip with the morbid burial deal. Folks tend to think of death as something to avoid or be fearful of but it's not, look around you look at all the people and tell me if 1% of them are actually happy and love every second of life, or are they just going on by trying to get through the day? We have let the powers that be destroy our happiness and we love it because we can buy whatever the credit card will allow (i disprove of credit so I dont have one), we can live beyond our means and it feels great especially when you see someone you know less off than you. And anyone that says they dont feel better about themselves when such things come along are liars.

Happiness is directly connected with money now, you cant have anything without money and the worst of it is money doesnt need us or happiness to exists just another souless minion to make and spend it.

Word, Playa.

Suppose so... I'm not scared of dieing but I don't want it to be self inflicted...

Reply to amdfangirl

This is getting too personal and sad.

A physician in the 20's came up with a great cure for depression.

Basically he injected a few cc's of turpentine into one of your ass cheeks.

This caused extreme pain and swelling ... often the patient could not sit down for 3 to 4 days ... they were in so much localised pain they certainly forgot about being depressed over life.

This tended to give them an entirely new perspective on life in general once the pain abated.

Plus his touted success rate was 100% ... no patient ever came back for a second treatment.

lol ...

Much like AMD fans are going through now.

"Inject the Phenom".

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Reply to reynod

^ More like "Venom". I'm kinda pissed with AMD right now... 125W TDP for something not even 3GHz. SUre they could underclock and stuff like that but its simply not enough... I hate K10 compared to K8...

Reply to amdfangirl

I should drink some kool-aid... I still like optys tho (with their 75W TDP)...

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amdfangirl wrote :

I should drink some kool-aid... I still like optys tho (with their 75W TDP)...

you should play with onea the HE 68w parts!! the 1210he i built for my dad is surely a little screamer! well, with a little judicious oc'ing, it is...
anyone else miss 1mb+1mb L2? and i'm not asking intel'rs...their answer would be obvious!
of course, its pretty obvious on any side of the fence...

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