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New Core 2 Duo Machine (Looking for input...)

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May 4, 2008 2:20:00 PM

I'm going to be putting together a new machine soon.. and I was looking for some input/advice on what I have so far. Plan to run Vista OS.. for DX10 mainly. Machine will be used for some work I do from home as well as gaming.

Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16811129021

Power Supply:
COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-650-ACAA-A1 $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16817171023

Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16819115037

Mobo:
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16813128059

Memory:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16820231166

Video Card:
MSI NX8800GTS 512M OC GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB $224.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814127325

Hard Drives:
I might do a raid 0 with the 2 Raptor drives with the 640GB as a mass storage drive. Or, I might just go with the 640GB if I decide not to do the raid.
2x Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB 10000 RPM $139.99 each, $279.98 total
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822136033

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16822136218



What I read from a few other threads...

1) Might want to drop memory down to DDR2 800 because might be some issue with P35 mobo and stability with DDR2 1066. I'm going to look into this more.

2) Might want to change mobo from DS3L to DS3R if I want more than 4 HDD-CDROM in future. If I do the raid 0 with Raptors, I'll probably want to do this.


Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
Larry

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May 4, 2008 2:39:20 PM

If you don't mind spending twice as much on ram, the 1066mhz ram can always be downclocked back to 800mhz if problems occur.

But you might consider x38/48 over p35 motherboard. X38/48 is more compatible with ram, and more importantly, allows your e8400 to overclock to its limits, without being bottlenecked by motherboard fsb.

P35 runs at 1333mhz fsb natively, and oc reliably to 1600mhz. X38/48 run at 1600mhz fsb natively, and oc reliably to 2000mhz. 1600mhz = 3.6ghz on e8400 and q6600. The q6600 overclocks to 3.6ghz easily enough. At the same clock rate, q6600 will outperform e8400 even on non quad thread programs, due to all the windows processes and background programs being moved to the two spare cores, thus freeing up 2 dedicated cores to run the heavy application. The sole merit of e8400 is its extreme overclock capacities, easily eaching 4ghz or more. If you're not going to overclock that e8400 at least past a quad, it's senseless.
May 4, 2008 3:41:07 PM

dagger,

Thanks for the input. I am not real experienced with OC'ing, but I would like to give it a go and try to OC things as much as I can. As far as the mobo, I will prob change to one that supports more OC like you suggest. I actually had an X38 mobo to begin with but the price seemed a bit much at $224.99. I dunno, I guess you have to pay for OC'ability.

This is the original mobo I had picked out but dropped due to price.
ASUS P5E LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard $224.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219

If I went with a x38/48 mobo, what would you suggest?

Also, regarding OC'ing... you say I should be able to go 4GHz or more with the uP. I'd assume I'm going to need more than the stock heatsink/cooling. The case has alot of cooling capability, but what would you suggest for keeping the uP cool? I'll look through some other threads about it as well... maybe my answer is already in another thread.
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May 4, 2008 3:46:48 PM

Flallen said:
dagger,

Thanks for the input. I am not real experienced with OC'ing, but I would like to give it a go and try to OC things as much as I can. As far as the mobo, I will prob change to one that supports more OC like you suggest. I actually had an X38 mobo to begin with but the price seemed a bit much at $224.99. I dunno, I guess you have to pay for OC'ability.

This is the original mobo I had picked out but dropped due to price.
ASUS P5E LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard $224.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219

If I went with a x38/48 mobo, what would you suggest?

Also, regarding OC'ing... you say I should be able to go 4GHz or more with the uP. I'd assume I'm going to need more than the stock heatsink/cooling. The case has alot of cooling capability, but what would you suggest for keeping the uP cool? I'll look through some other threads about it as well... maybe my answer is already in another thread.

What is an uP? :p 

This x38 board is cheaper and oc just as well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Use a good aftermarket cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
May 4, 2008 4:30:07 PM

dagger said:
What is an uP? :p 


Sorry. uP = microprocessor. The 'u' is for micro. Usually the lower case Greek Mu is used to represent micro, but I usually just use 'u' instead as it's easier to type and if you use the Greek symbol in some document, sometimes the doc formatting gets hosed and somewhere you put in Mu gets changed to 'm'. This can be a problem if you specified something as uA (micro Amps) and the doc gets screwed up and now says mA (milli Amps).

Thanks for the input. I'll look into those mobos.

May 4, 2008 4:59:08 PM

P35 runs at 1333mhz fsb natively, and oc reliably to 1600mhz. X38/48 run at 1600mhz fsb natively, and oc reliably to 2000mhz. 1600mhz = 3.6ghz on e8400 and q6600. The q6600 overclocks to 3.6ghz easily enough. At the same clock rate, q6600 will outperform e8400 even on non quad thread programs, due to all the windows processes and background programs being moved to the two spare cores, thus freeing up 2 dedicated cores to run the heavy application. The sole merit of e8400 is its extreme overclock capacities, easily eaching 4ghz or more. If you're not going to overclock that e8400 at least past a quad, it's senseless.

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I currently have an 8400 on a p35 motherboard at 3.6 stable and had it at 4.0 the board was solid just needed a better heat solution. The ram really does not matter that much just change the strapping.
May 4, 2008 5:09:52 PM

houstonserenity said:
P35 runs at 1333mhz fsb natively, and oc reliably to 1600mhz. X38/48 run at 1600mhz fsb natively, and oc reliably to 2000mhz. 1600mhz = 3.6ghz on e8400 and q6600. The q6600 overclocks to 3.6ghz easily enough. At the same clock rate, q6600 will outperform e8400 even on non quad thread programs, due to all the windows processes and background programs being moved to the two spare cores, thus freeing up 2 dedicated cores to run the heavy application. The sole merit of e8400 is its extreme overclock capacities, easily eaching 4ghz or more. If you're not going to overclock that e8400 at least past a quad, it's senseless.

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I currently have an 8400 on a p35 motherboard at 3.6 stable and had it at 4.0 the board was solid just needed a better heat solution. The ram really does not matter that much just change the strapping.

Then you did extremely well, and well beyond what's typically possible. Good job. Don't tell others to try to duplicate it though, or there'll be a lot of disappointed people.
May 4, 2008 5:13:52 PM

Oh yeah... Get a metal mounting HSF like the TRUE.
May 4, 2008 5:53:56 PM

A P35 will get a quad at 3.6 and a dual at 4.0 as long as you have a chip with a 9x multipler for the 4.0 and a 8x multiplier for 3.6. Some P35s will go higher but they all go to 450FSB.
May 4, 2008 5:57:09 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
A P35 will get a quad at 3.6 and a dual at 4.0 as long as you have a chip with a 9x multipler for the 4.0 and a 8x multiplier for 3.6. Some P35s will go higher but they all go to 450FSB.

400x4 (1600mhz) fsb for p35 is the one to count on. Any higher than that is hit or miss. Lots of people can't hit 1800mhz on perfectly good p35 motherboards. You need skills and some luck to do it.
May 4, 2008 5:59:58 PM

Asus, Abit, DFI, or Gigabyte will do 450.

Maybe MSI, Foxconn or Biostar, and some other junk wont but but the respected brands will.
May 4, 2008 6:09:41 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Asus, Abit, DFI, or Gigabyte will do 450.

Maybe MSI, Foxconn or Biostar, and some other junk wont but but the respected brands will.

Many people can't get high on those brands of p35 boards. They've posted about it in the forum in the past.

There are 1337 people who has pushed their p35 chipsets past 2000mhz fsb, and it's safe to say, that speed can't be duplicated by anyone here. Thus is the difference between reliable oc and extreme oc. P35 is almost guaranteed to hit 1600mhz, so that's the base specs to count on. If you get more, good job. But it's not good to unreasonably raise expectations for others who may not be able to reach it, then get disappointed and think they did something wrong. :p 
May 4, 2008 6:14:30 PM

If you buy a namebranded P35 that supports 1600 she will get 200 more.
May 4, 2008 6:16:24 PM

Just a quick note on your RAM. 2GB modules aren't to good latency wise i.e C5. If you get 2GB on 1GB C4 sticks it'll go a bit quicker :) .
May 4, 2008 6:17:39 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
If you buy a namebranded P35 that supports 1600 she will get 200 more.



P35 is rated officially at 1333mhz fsb. When you see "1600" in the specs, it's listed as "1600(O.C.)." :p 

And get 2x2 sticks and save those 2 slots for possible future upgrade. You can find low latency 2gb sticks easily enough, and it doesn't make a noticable difference anyway.
May 4, 2008 6:20:30 PM

Not all boards. Some manufactures are up to par with new revisions.

You should stick to benchmarks since thats the only thing your good at.
May 4, 2008 6:22:47 PM

roadrunner197069 said:
Not all boards. Some manufactures are up to par with new revisions.

You should stick to benchmarks since thats the only thing your good at.



Lol, p35 is p35. You're beating a dead horse, it won't run faster. :na: 

And if you don't believe either benchmarks or hard specs, what will you believe? :sarcastic: 

Technology moves forward and become obsolete all the time. P35 was the best oc chipset of its time. Now, it's past its prime, even though still good. This loyality for old hardware that many people show makes no sense.
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