Questions:
1)What are you going to use this system for? that is the big question
2) What do you need a quad core for? They are expensive and the $ can be better used elsewhere in the system.
3) That is a huge expensive case, do you really need a FULL tower?
4) Do you really need 750W?
5) Dominator memory is over rated and over priced.
6) The 9800GTX is a nice card but only performs slightly better than a 8800GTS/512, The price difference is significant. The 8800GTS is a much better buy.
If you don't plan to overclock any P35 board will do (ASUS P5K-E, PRO, Premium, GA-EP35-DS3R, DS4, ...) ($130-$200).
For heavy overclocking and/or ati dual graphics X38/X48 is the way to go (GA-EX38-DS4, ASUS P5E, ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA) ($200-$300 pricerange).
If you want SLI forget overclocking (at least for now) and get a 780i/790i board. I'd get a non-reference design board (ASUS Striker II, P5N-xxx) in any case.
EDIT: memory : Get 4GB of Corsair DHX C4 memory (2x2GB) or more. This memory overclocks to about 450MHz without much fuss. Note also that 1066MHz offers no real world benefit over 800MHz DDR2.
Message edited by Andrius on 05-05-2008 at 05:19:16 PM
6) The 9800GTX is a nice card but only performs slightly better than a 8800GTS/512, The price difference is significant. The 8800GTS is a much better buy.
Very true! However with the release of HD 4870 less than 3 weeks away I'd say both are a bit shaky in value. In any case 8800GTS over 9800GTX any day of the week.
If you get a P35 board, do not use DDR2-1066 RAM, use DDR2-800. There seems to be a compatibility issue. I've read about it, and experienced it myself on my Abit IP35 Pro with Crucial Ballistix. I ordered some DDR2-800 just last night for it.
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I was just selecting components to build a nice Power House Machine Oh and I'm planning the upgrade esspecially for Age of Conan and other demanding games.
I've been obsessed with the Thermaltake cases and had a Shark about 3 years ago (which I loved) but I kinda missed out on the Xasers because they were out of stock all the time. Now the new Xaser is like a little boy's dream so I'd like to put it on my desk and stare madly in love at it for the rest of the year
Regarding the processor. I don't mind any core as long as it kicks serious speedy ass. I wanted to go for a Q6700 but it was said that the Q9450 would be better so I went along with that.
Let's start with a clean sheet. Budget is around 850 pounds (the case has been paid for then Ofcourse value for money components is good but if quality costs a little extra then please don't hold back
I also like the look of the XFX stuff... any chance of a good XFX motherboard that will fit nicely with a XFX video card?
XFX only does NVIDIA chipsets. You should also know that pairing a motherboard and graphics card from the same manufacturer offers no advantage.
That being said on to the choices:
780i (DDR2) would be the way to go as DDR3 is still way overpriced and offers no real advantage. Overclocking is going to be a NO-NO topic until NVIDIA figures out what causes data corruption (when overclocking RAM).
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Pro [...] tID=729926 You should make sure you buy RAM that is on it's supported modules list.
790i offers similar features but needs DDR3 and costs alot more. From a performance point of view it offers no real world advantage.
I've read about 5 reviews on the XFX 780i motherboard and it seems pretty positive. I'm aware that graphics and motherboard of the same brand does not really matter, but it adds to the atmosphere of the machine if you get what I mean So thats about 160 pounds for the motherboard...
1 - P35/X38/X48 over nforce for Overclocking. (no SLI though) preferably 8-phase regulator (again, for OC)
2 - Most important part of my builds is the GFX. I'd neglect any of the others over the VGA. I don't go multi though, but a nice 8800GTS would be good. Any premium should be on the VGA.
3 - Ram should be just decent. (I have a pair of DOMINATOR 1066 that DOES work on a p5k-E, but it doesn't make much difference)
Also, we certainly have different aesthetic preferences. I find the XFX boards to be quite ugly. I'd rather have an ASUS (with a mine's worth of copper), gigabyte or DFI.
I'm still in creative mode but yeah taste over a motherboard can vary I'm a great Asus fan but also like to experiment with new brands from time to time. Hence an XFX build sounds sexy at the moment
Regarding the graphics. Having a SLI board and not using SLI would be a waste... Therefore... I could stick two of these babies in right?
1.) X38/X48 has another (very) interesting feature over CrossFire and that is 1600MHz FSB stock. That aside I don't think you can buy an X38 without 8-phase CPU power regulation.
2.) I think a SLI board is only viable if you really intend to do SLI, so yes this is a better choice to go with 2 9600GTs (it still provides less value but than say 1 8800GTS it's a step in the right direction). If gaming is indeed your primary purpose for this rig it's worth it.
3.) RAM is a strange mix of benefits and cost lately. With Vista 64bit it's a better choice to go for 8GB of cheap 800MHz DDR2 (low latency is good so you can reduce timings when overclocking if needed). 1066 or even 1200MHz DDR2 is a waste (2x more money for 1-3% improvements).
Damn, that is beautiful. I have a Rampage Formula, it works well, I really really like it, but that board there looks really, really nice. Hmmm...perhaps my 8yr. old daughter could use my Rampgage Formula and I could upgrade....
Damn, that is beautiful. I have a Rampage Formula, it works well, I really really like it, but that board there looks really, really nice. Hmmm...perhaps my 8yr. old daughter could use my Rampgage Formula and I could upgrade....
I wouldn't call that an upgrade in any real way. It's got PCI-X and DDR3. The RAMPAGE is a good looking board. They should have nickelplatted the copper coolers and it'd be perfect.
If I was going for a Q9450 (and I wouldn't care about price) based system I'd buy Rampage Formula too. ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe cost close to 200 EUR when I got it 3.5 years ago and most boards were 50 EUR cheaper back then.
Message edited by Andrius on 05-06-2008 at 12:08:59 AM
It definately gives a new meaning to 'Motherboard'
I'm still having trouble with the CPU's... what should I go for? what is compatible and what isn't? Assuming I would go for the XFX 780i and two videocards... what#s the best CPU and what would be the best videocards to dual?
These decisions aren't as easy as I thought they would be!
As for gfx, i would go with dual 8800 GTS (G92) if anything. It would be expensive, (about 420 USD), but i think it would be worth it. However, i suppose that dual 9600 GT 's would be fine aswell
However, personally i think a intel chipset board (X48) would be much better, you really don't need SLI, a single 8800 GTS (G92) will do the trick no problem, your processor will probably cause a bottleneck for it unless you overclock it, which now that you would have an intel board, you can do.
Also, whatever you do, its better to go with the 8xxx gfx cards than the 9xxx cards, the price/power ratio isn't worth it.
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