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May 5, 2008 9:56:54 PM

-Edited 05/07/08 - 1:00 p.m. PDT

I appreciate the great responses I got from everyone. All questions have been answered in this thread.

Thanks again for helping me during the component selection process. :hello: 

Josza


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-Edited 05/06/08 - 6:40 a.m. PDT-

Thank you all for the comments and suggestions. It is greatly appreciated!

I previously was under the impression that dual core at a higher clock was going to be better for gaming than a quad core at a lower clock, which is why I was basing the build around a E8400. I will now be changing the build to use the Q6600 instead based on all of your excellent feedback.

Main concepts remain:
No SLI/Crossfire
No major upgrades for 3 years (I don't mind changing a GPU or maybe single component, but don't want to have to change out the entire Mobo/CPU/RAM)
I'm new to Overclocking, so will not be pushing too far, and want to use conservative estimates on capabilities.
The main use for this build will be gaming (Age of Conan, Warhammer, etc.) - P.S. This will be for PVP play, so fast response is important.
I'll be using a 22" monitor, most likely at 1600x1050 res. (I think that is the native res..)

New questions:
1) If you were building today (with Q6600), would you choose the GA-P35-DS3L or possibly an x38 board such as GA-EX38-DS4 with a higher FSB and PCIe 2.0 compatibility?

2) If anyone is using the GA-EX38-DS4, will the XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 fit on it? If not, what heat sink are you using? (I've heard that the RAM slots are a little close to the CPU slot)

3) What Mobo would you use if building today? (Not going above 225$ price range is preferable.)

4) More comments on the importance, or lack thereof, of RAID 0 for a gaming rig.

Thank you all for your time and help in responding!


[Original post] -
I will no longer be using the E8400, but will now use the Q6600.
I will no longer be using the Artic Silver 5, but will now use MX-2 thermal grease.
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A very big 'Thank you' folks for reviewing this and providing your comments.

This build is for a Gaming machine to mainly run the upcoming Age of Conan and Warhammer games. I will not be multi-tasking, or editing videos, or any other big things. Just gaming and web surfing.
I am building this for the immediate future and don't want to spend a lot on trying to "future-proof" since I usually end up just building a whole new system every 3-5 years anyways. I usually just give away my older systems to family members (8 nieces and nephews), so I don't plan on reusing too many parts. (Although this time I'm going to spend a little extra on the Case and PSU, so may off-load the contents of this rig to a cheaper case & psu later.)

Main concepts:
No major upgrades for next 3 years. (Maybe the GPU if 'really' needed, but no RAM, CPU)
No SLI
I don't care too much about PCIe 2.0
No future-proof of the MOBO (No one even knows if the next gen CPUs will use 775 sockets anyways)

I have added a few questions below in the parts descriptions, but my main questions are:
1) Will this MOBO/CPU/GPU/RAM combo work decently for slight Over Clocking? (e8400 to 3.6 GHz, whatever I can get out of the GPU and RAM that is very stable for long periods.)
2) What is the best sequence for over clocking the components? (I'm guessing - CPU, then RAM, lastly the GPU)
3) Will the pc6400 RAM run at native speeds once I OC the e8400 to 3.6 GHz?
4) What is the best way to OC the e8400 CPU to run most effectively with the RAM and GPU?
5) Do I really need RAID 0? Most games should not be running from the HD I think.
6) What is the difference between the 'Artic Silver 5' and the regular 'Artic Silver'? Which should I be using?
7) Do I need the Artic Silver thermal paste REMOVER if I'm just building from scratch using new parts?
8) Lapping - Is this really needed for my level of OC? If so, I take it that I should do this after I've made sure that everything posts correctly...yes?


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Buy.com parts:

Antec Nine Hundred Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $89.99
[Best reviewed case for OC and max cooling - $30 cheaper than at newegg]

Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply - $97.99 ($30 rebate = $67.99 total)
[Solid power - No SLI needed - Single Rail for good peak load - $12 cheaper than newegg]

Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-6400 800MHz 240-pin DDR2 Memory
qty: 2 - unit price: $58.59 ($30 rebate = $28.59 total per pair = $57.18 total for 4GB)
[This is the 4-4-4-12 CAS timings. I don't need to upgrade to 8MB, so can fill all 4 slots with this 4GB. Cheaper than what I could find at other places.]
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SubTotal: $305.16 (free shipping - also $10 coupon used)
***This stuff is already ordered, so no changes will be made here unless I made a major mistake.***
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NewEgg parts:

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard - Retail - $89.99
[No SLI needed - PCIe 2.0 not really used right now - great OC - New to OC and don't want to push too far, so the 3.6 GHz limit on the e8400 is fine with me. I just needed 'rock solid', and this should be it.]

EVGA 512-P3-N845-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) KO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail - $254.99 ($30 rebate = $224.99 total)
[No SLI - runs cooler and faster than 8800GT - New to OC and don't want to push too far, so this core clock of 678Mhz is a great start. I know that the 8800GT is 'more bang for the buck', but the extra $65 is more than worth it to me to not worry about having to OC too much.]

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model - $199.99
[Strictly gaming and not multi-tasking so no Q6600 - I went with the e8400 over the e3110 since I will only be OC to 3.6Ghz and don't need to spend the extra $20.]

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $99.99
[I don't think I'll need RAID 0, so only 1 of these. 32MB cache on this newer model!]

Acer P223Wwd Glossy White 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail - $249.99
[This is the new model and has 1000:1 contrast (as opposed to the 700:1 used for the most popular model, and for only $20 more too.) This is also white in color which is a nice change from the usual black, although I chose this because of the better contrast ratio.]

SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM - $33.99
[basic stuff here]

Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM - $99.99
[DirectX 10 is the only reason I am using this. I can't believe you can only install this one time. I have transferred my WinXP to 4 different machines - only 1 at a time of course.]

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM - $5.99 - REMOVED - Using MX-2 instead
[What is the difference between this and the regular "Artic Silver" ? Which should I be using?]

Arctic Silver ACN-60ML (2-PC-SET) Thermal material Remover & Surface Purifier - OEM - $5.99 - REMOVED
[Do I really need this if I'm building from scratch with new parts?]

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail - $36.99
[Protection for even a slight OC from 3.0 GHz to 3.6 GHz. Has anyone tried to install this on my MOBO in a Antec 900? I bet someone has who can share...]

Subtotal: $1,077.90
***These items have not yet been ordered. I wanted to solicit everyone's feedback first.***
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Thank you again for your time and help in responding. It is greatly appreciated!

Best regards,

Josza
May 5, 2008 11:28:38 PM

I Run the Same setup pretty much except for the case. I have my E8400 OC'ed to 3.6ghz. The GA-P35-DS3L is a great board If you dont plan on utilizing SLI in the future.

The 8800GTS 512 is a great card if you have the money to spend on it. Otherwise just get the 8800GT.

The PC6400 crucial ballistix I have yet to have any problems with just make sure you give the ram +0.4v to attain the 4-4-4-12 timings .

You dont need raid 0. The 7200.11 500Gb will be plenty quick and spacious.

I havent lapped anything. However i do plan on doing so soon.
May 6, 2008 12:08:15 AM

chibanginpr said:
I Run the Same setup pretty much except for the case. I have my E8400 OC'ed to 3.6ghz. The GA-P35-DS3L is a great board If you dont plan on utilizing SLI in the future.

The 8800GTS 512 is a great card if you have the money to spend on it. Otherwise just get the 8800GT.

The PC6400 crucial ballistix I have yet to have any problems with just make sure you give the ram +0.4v to attain the 4-4-4-12 timings .

You dont need raid 0. The 7200.11 500Gb will be plenty quick and spacious.

I havent lapped anything. However i do plan on doing so soon.

Ideally, you should get x38/48 for e8400, which easily go above 4ghz. P35 is bottlenecking it. For q6600, which don't oc much beyond 3.6ghz anyway, it's fine. There is no sense in running a e8400 at the same clock as a quad, since a quad will outperform it due to background programs being moved to spare cores, freeing up 2 core for dedicated processing. Higher clock is where the e8400 shines.

Of course, some people are fine with e8400 at stock, but get a non-bottlenecking motherboard, so that you have the option to run it at full speed when and if you want to. If you run stock, it should be because you want to, not because you have to.
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May 6, 2008 1:37:01 AM

Hmm How would the P35 Bottleneck the cpu? I'm asking this for myself as well
May 6, 2008 1:49:16 AM

chibanginpr said:
Hmm How would the P35 Bottleneck the cpu? I'm asking this for myself as well

P35 runs at 1333mhz fsb at stock, and reliably overclock to 1600mhz. X38/48 runs at 1600mhz stock, and reliably overclock to 2000mhz. 1600mhz fsb = 3.6ghz for 9x multiplier cpu (e8400, q6600). Q6600 cannot oc much beyond 3.8ghz, e8400 easily oc above 4.0ghz.
May 6, 2008 1:54:31 AM

P35 wont bottle neck at 3.6. You need 400FSB with the 9x multi to hit 3.6. This would run 800 ram at a 1:1 ratio as well. Most all P35s will do 450fsb.

Save yourself $50.00 and get the e7200 and shoot for 3.8+. I got it. Check this:

May 6, 2008 2:02:48 AM

roadrunner197069 said:
P35 wont bottle neck at 3.6. You need 400FSB with the 9x multi to hit 3.6. This would run 800 ram at a 1:1 ratio as well. Most all P35s will do 450fsb.

Save yourself $50.00 and get the e7200 and shoot for 3.8+. I got it. Check this:
http://www4.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/ea9c6fc039e1b3eb69eda9da740cb3316g.jpg

You need skill and luck to run p35 beyond 1600mhz fsb. There are 1337 people who can get it past 2000mhz, needless to say, you can't duplicate it.

If you do go p35 + e8400 route and it doesn't work out, it's to be expected. Not all of us can be lucky. Always assume you have average luck.
May 6, 2008 2:10:15 AM

I must have better luck then Dagger has brains. :)  Dagger I bet I can get to 2000, why dont you put your money where your mouth is? All i need is ram that can do 500, my current generic ram wont oc past 440. MY chip and my mobo will do 2000 for sure.

Most everyone having issues with P35s and hitting over 1600 is because of DDR 800 ram. Most x38/48 setups are running 1066 or higher. 90% of the time its a ram limitation not a motherboard limitation. Most good P35s have more voltage adjustments as well which helps even more with the right ram. All I can adjust is CPU vcore and ram voltage, so any board with better settings is likely to work better.


Where the hell do you get this magical 1337 number? Fairytale land?
May 6, 2008 2:20:51 AM

I use Asus exclusively, and if you dont read the manual 1066 Ram wont work on most of their P35s. However if you can read and follow directions and get Ram from the QVL, its not a problem at all.

Other boards are probably similar, but I have no experience with them.

@ Shadow I'm waiting on new ram and cooling to finish my run in your OC thread. I'm shootin for 4.5 prime stable. Prolly got to water cool though.
May 6, 2008 2:22:57 AM

roadrunner197069 said:
I must have better luck then Dagger has brains. :)  Dagger I bet I can get to 2000, why dont you put your money where your mouth is? All i need is ram that can do 500, my current generic ram wont oc past 440. MY chip and my mobo will do 2000 for sure.

Most everyone having issues with P35s and hitting over 1600 is because of DDR 800 ram. Most x38/48 setups are running 1066 or higher. 90% of the time its a ram limitation not a motherboard limitation. Most good P35s have more voltage adjustments as well which helps even more with the right ram. All I can adjust is CPU vcore and ram voltage, so any board with better settings is likely to work better.


Where the hell do you get this magical 1337 number? Fairytale land?

Lol, MY mobo can do this, MY mobo can do that. You always push whatever you've brought. To feel better about your purchase? Let's see 2000mhz fsb on p35. :na: 
May 6, 2008 2:25:27 AM

Just wanted to mention that Age of Conan is going to be multithreaded, and (yes I know everyone says this) future games should take advantage of the extra cores, so it might be more beneficial to go with a quad core over the e8400. You'd mentioned that you didn't want to upgrade anything in the next few years, so I figured I'd bring it up.
May 6, 2008 2:30:50 AM

Avenger_K said:
Just wanted to mention that Age of Conan is going to be multithreaded, and (yes I know everyone says this) future games should take advantage of the extra cores, so it might be more beneficial to go with a quad core over the e8400. You'd mentioned that you didn't want to upgrade anything in the next few years, so I figured I'd bring it up.

A q6600 on the same 9x multiplier won't be bottlenecked by p35, but that's only because it doesn't oc much beyond 3.6ghz anyway, so it's no loss. E8400 easily go over 4.0ghz, so being locked at around 3.6 is a big loss. :p 
May 6, 2008 2:37:11 AM

I will do it just for you Dagger. Then you can shut up forever, until you know something or have real experience.

Go back to your notes and see how many of the 1337 guys over 2000 are on 800 ram. I should have some 1066 next week just to make you happy.
May 6, 2008 2:47:11 AM

Avenger_K said:
Just wanted to mention that Age of Conan is going to be multithreaded, and (yes I know everyone says this) future games should take advantage of the extra cores, so it might be more beneficial to go with a quad core over the e8400. You'd mentioned that you didn't want to upgrade anything in the next few years, so I figured I'd bring it up.


dagger said:
A q6600 on the same 9x multiplier won't be bottlenecked by p35, but that's only because it doesn't oc much beyond 3.6ghz anyway, so it's no loss. E8400 easily go over 4.0ghz, so being locked at around 3.6 is a big loss. :p 


Hmm....could you please explain further? I fail to comprehend your post. Sorry, I'm a bit worn out right now, but I don't see how an E8400 at 4GHz will beat a Q6600 at 3.6GHz in a multithreaded game like Age of Conan (which the OP specifically said he'd be playing).

Maybe you quoted the wrong post? I'll edit this once these questions get cleared up.......
May 6, 2008 2:56:23 AM

Avenger_K said:
Hmm....could you please explain further? I fail to comprehend your post. Sorry, I'm a bit worn out right now, but I don't see how an E8400 at 4GHz will beat a Q6600 at 3.6GHz in a multithreaded game like Age of Conan (which the OP specifically said he'd be playing).

Maybe you quoted the wrong post? I'll edit this once these questions get cleared up.......

I was agreeing with you. The point was, if OP sticks with p35 chipset, might as well go with q6600. Since the bottlenecked e8400 won't outperform q6600 clock per clock, multithreaded or no. :p 
May 6, 2008 3:00:48 AM

Hes just stuck on, i need to justify my dual core. Most duel core folks are, and ive yet to see a game out there that will show a noticable diffrence at 4.0 ghz vs 3.2ghz. And by see i mean visually, not just wow it loads a little faster.
May 6, 2008 3:14:15 AM

dagger said:
I was agreeing with you. The point was, if OP sticks with p35 chipset, might as well go with q6600. Since the bottlenecked e8400 won't outperform q6600 clock per clock, multithreaded or no. :p 


Ahh OK, sorry for the lack of understanding on my part. Like I said, a bit worn out right now (from chem tests, soccer and the SATs :-O). Glad we agree. :D 
May 6, 2008 3:41:09 AM

Ditto on the quad core suggestion. In three years I'd guess you'd be hard-pressed to find a game that ISN'T multithreaded (like today and the dual core optimization in virtually EVERY game).
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May 6, 2008 4:33:56 AM

dagger said:
Lol, MY mobo can do this, MY mobo can do that. You always push whatever you've brought. To feel better about your purchase? Let's see 2000mhz fsb on p35. :na: 
2100Mhz on a P35-DS3R
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=351673




a b 4 Gaming
May 6, 2008 5:50:12 AM

roadrunner197069 said:
get the e7200 and shoot for 3.8+. I got it.
I just noticed the 65% overclock. Nice job [:wr2]

May 6, 2008 11:11:32 AM

roadrunner197069 said:
I use Asus exclusively, and if you dont read the manual 1066 Ram wont work on most of their P35s. However if you can read and follow directions and get Ram from the QVL, its not a problem at all.

Other boards are probably similar, but I have no experience with them.

@ Shadow I'm waiting on new ram and cooling to finish my run in your OC thread. I'm shootin for 4.5 prime stable. Prolly got to water cool though.

Good Luck :D 
May 6, 2008 12:30:44 PM



And who submitted that? It was from april. There are people who pushed it to 2400, from just googling, not to mention people who breached 3000 on x38.

Go ahead and have OP try it out. The good thing about giving people advices online is you don't have to take any responsibility. :na: 

Btw, why is no one telling OP trying 2000 on p35 is bogus? And where are the mods? On most other forums, people who tell noobs seeking building advice such things tend to get banned... :sarcastic: 
May 6, 2008 2:01:38 PM

-Edited 05/06/08 - 6:40 a.m. PDT- New set of questions

Thank you all for the comments and suggestions. It is greatly appreciated!

I previously was under the impression that dual core at a higher clock was going to be better for gaming than a quad core at a lower clock, which is why I was basing the build around a E8400. I will now be changing the build to use the Q6600 instead based on all of your excellent feedback.

Main concepts remain:
No SLI/Crossfire
No major upgrades for 3 years (I don't mind changing a GPU or maybe single component, but don't want to have to change out the entire Mobo/CPU/RAM)
I'm new to Overclocking, so will not be pushing too far, and want to use conservative estimates on capabilities.
The main use for this build will be gaming (Age of Conan, Warhammer, etc.) - P.S. This will be for PVP play, so fast response is important.
I'll be using a 22" monitor, most likely at 1600x1050 res. (I think that is the native res..)

New questions:
1) If you were building today (with Q6600), would you choose the GA-P35-DS3L or possibly an x38 board such as GA-EX38-DS4 with a higher FSB and PCIe 2.0 compatibility?

2) If anyone is using the GA-EX38-DS4, will the XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 fit on it? If not, what heat sink are you using? (I've heard that the RAM slots are a little close to the CPU slot)

3) What Mobo would you use if building today? (Not going above 225$ price range is preferable.)

4) More comments on the importance, or lack thereof, of RAID 0 for a gaming rig.

Thank you all for your time and help in responding!


[Original post above has been edited.] -
I will no longer be using the E8400, but will now use the Q6600
I will no longer be using the Artic Silver 5, but will now use MX-2 thermal grease.
May 6, 2008 4:19:19 PM

The Q6600 has a pretty high multiplier and it's a waste to buy an X38/X48 motherboard because it can utilize higher FSBs (because you won't get up into them). If you were considering a Q9450 or Q9300 I would say the higher FSBs would be crucial. As far as PCIe 2.0 goes, I don't think it's very important at all, and that should not factor into your decision.

My choices for MB:
P35-DS3L
P35-DS3R
P35-DS4 (connectivity is excellent)

I personally don't think RAID is worth the risk. A good PMR HDD should be fast enough, Raptors and RAID arrays have diminishing returns and increased risks.

For an estimate on Q6600 overclocking potential I'd say you'd be safe betting that with a top cooler (TRU, TRUE, Ninja, S1283, S963) you could hit 3.2-3.4 (355-377 FSB) with little or no voltage bump (which would be safe since you're new to the OC community).

IMO, Tuniq TX2 is the best TIM, in almost all reviews I've seen it beats the MX2 by 1-2°C, since they're all priced similarly, you might as well get the best.
May 6, 2008 8:13:31 PM

^Agreed.

dagger said:


1806270,24,318530 said:
And who submitted that? It was from april. There are people who pushed it to 2400, from just googling, not to mention people who breached 3000 on x38.

Go ahead and have OP try it out. The good thing about giving people advices online is you don't have to take any responsibility. :na: 

Btw, why is no one telling OP trying 2000 on p35 is bogus? And where are the mods? On most other forums, people who tell noobs seeking building advice such things tend to get banned... :sarcastic: 
said:

Your point?
May 7, 2008 12:22:46 AM

1) P35 should do fine for q6600 at 3.6ghz. I use the more expensive x38 for q6600 only because I feel like it. It provides no real advantage. PCIE2.0 do not provide significantly better performance as the old pcie is far from being bottlenecked. It's like having a 6 lane highway but few cars using it. It's not needed. Eventually, there'll be more cars on the road, but it should last you 3 years. Crossfire is, of course, unnecessary if you don't use it.

2) The cooler will fit on all of your possible choices listed. It has enough clearence off heatpipes to clear the chipset heatsinks.

3) Today I'd use x38/48, but only because I'd also be using q9450 with lower multiplier.

4) No need for raid 0, or even single high speed harddrive. When you run an application, it's loaded from hdd and put into ram, where it is accessed at will when running. Higher hdd speed decreases game load time, not increase in game fsb. Even the fastest hdd is far slower than the slowest ram you can buy. That is why it's important to have enough ram to ensure you don't run out.
May 7, 2008 1:34:16 AM

Thank you all for your help. You've been a great help with this process.
Also a particular thank you to dagger, especially since you listed a very nice GPU in another post that is saved me about 60 bucks. (ECS N8800GTS-512MX GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB for only $169.99 after rebates!!!!)

Final parts will be:
Buy.com parts:

Antec Nine Hundred Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $89.99

Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply - $67.99 (includes $30 rebate)

Crucial Ballistix 4GB (4 x 1GB) PC2-6400 800MHz 240-pin DDR2 Memory
$57.18 total for 4GB (includes $60 in rebates)


Newegg parts:

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard $89.99

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail $219.99

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail $36.99

Tuniq TX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail $3.79

ECS N8800GTS-512MX GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $169.99 (includes $50 rebate)

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $99.99

Acer P223Wwd Glossy White 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail $249.99

SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM $33.99

Patriot 2GB Flash Drive (USB2.0 Portable) Model PSF2GMUSB(Green) - Retail $9.99

Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM $99.99

...Now to get busy with all the reading for overclocking details.

Thanks again folks! :hello: 
May 7, 2008 1:43:24 AM

Ideally, use 2x2 sticks of ram rather than 4x1. That will leave you room for possible future upgrade. Also, some people say they had compatibility problems running 4 sticks of ram on p35 chipset. I can't confirm though.
May 7, 2008 2:08:22 AM

Everything looks good but the ram issue dagger brought up. It's not more expensive/GB to get 2GB sticks, so go for the higher-density ram and have room to move up.
May 7, 2008 3:50:05 AM

Also it is less stress on the system as a whole, takes alot of voltage to push 4 sticks, not as much with 2. I went with 2-2 gigs sticks and didnt have to mess with the voltages at all.
May 7, 2008 1:24:31 PM

Thank you folks for the comments/suggestions re: the 4 sticks of RAM versus 2 sticks. I was unaware that it might cause problems.

I was able to cancel (I think...still waiting on confirmation) RAM order.

My question/s then is:
Is the voltage that RAM runs at a concern for capability with OC my CPU? (I know I will need to set my Mobo to the same voltage as what's listed for the RAM, but does that tie into the voltage I'm using for the CPU?)
I guess the real question, is there a 'preferred' voltage that I would want for trying to set up this Q6600 on this Mobo and shooting for a 3.2-3.6 OC?
I notice that some RAM lists a 'range' of voltage (Like shown on the 'GeIL Value Series' - last in the list). Why the range? Is that good/bad/indifferent?

Please provide feedback on some possbile choices. Also, if you have a preferred brand (or link) to share.

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5
Newegg Price: $84.00
5-5-5-18 / 1.9V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK
Newegg Total Price: $84.99 (after $35 rebate)
4-4-4-15 / 2.1V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - Model OCZ2RPR8004GK
Newegg Total Price: $59.99 (after $35 rebate)
5-5-5-18 / 2.1V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - Model ADQVE1B16K
Newegg price: $77.99
5-5-5-18 / 1.8V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GeIL Value Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - Model GX24GB6400DCKA
Newegg price: $65.99 (after rebate)
Timing 5-5-5-15
Voltage 1.8V - 2.2V ****RANGE???***
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thank you again for your time and help in responding. :) 
May 7, 2008 3:46:35 PM

The main reason why we brought up the ram is simple, 2 sticks you wont have a problem, but even though some mother boards have 4 slots, it takes you modifying the voltages in many cases with the bios. Also its a lot less stress on the system as a whole, because it provides balance. As far as ram choices go, i always say the same thing, get what is supported by your motherboard, and you want. With my Quad i dont have to volt modify the cpu to get 3.2 gigs, and didnt have to mess with my fsb at all. Some people do, because there boards wont let them change the multiplier, or they have v-droop, or it requires them to run at a higher fsb. I also have the mobo you plan on getting, so can say that, you can just change the mulitplier your running your cpu at and your good. I have heard that geil doesnt do well with the DS3L. I use ADATA with no problems what so ever. And im sure OCZ and CORSAIR will work without a problem. As a side note, install the Realtek HD audio codec BEFORE you update windows, if you dont and you get one of there updates, it will cause your sound to not work and then you will have to uninstall the microsoft update for it, and reinstall the Realtek codec to get it up and running.

Also in regards to raid, it provides a very small increase in speed when running against a SATA 2.0 harddrive. Some people swear by it, the benchmarks show a small increase in speed. The only time I think it is worth getting is if you plan on moving alot of information around on your computer frequently or you play a game that is constantly accessing the harddrive. Also your defrag times will be quicker. But if you loose one hardrive, your whole computer goes down, which is why most people run a raid0 mirror array, so that the third harddrive will back up what the 2 are sharing, and if they have problems, they can still run there computers without reinstalling the os. They just have to hook up the mirror harddrive.
May 7, 2008 6:53:59 PM

im buying a similar build:

- GA-P35-DS3L
- 8800GT/GTS
- 4gb ram (2x2gb)
- Q6600
- Antec 900/P180/P182

I also debated pci-e 2.0...as of now it seems useless...and probably so for a while...its hard to say when I update to a new gfx card (2 -3 years, i guess?) will pci-e 2.0 be needed? or will my next update also include a new CPU (meaning I need a new socket mobo) - in which case I will have to change my mobo anyways...hard for me to guess right now.

Also, whether I should stay with 800 ram or 1066 ram. Most say 800 is more stable on p35 mobos and can OC to 1066...but I, like you, don't really like to OC unless its needed. The less I have to screw around with my pc - the better. Buying it pre-OCed for a few $ more is fine with me (since I don't have to OC it myself)...but im still unsure on which kind of ram to buy.

The weird thing is on the GA-P35 it states that "Memory Standard is DDR2 1066" ...I find it odd that some say 1066 ram is not stable...not sure if this is cause of the ram or cause of the mobo...


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May 7, 2008 7:25:00 PM

^ The problem is the chipset and the RAM itself. Although the P35 can support DDR2 1066, it doesn't do it very well. The other is the RAM itself is just factory OCed DDR2 800 RAM in most cases. Even if you buy DDR2 1066 RAM and run it at 800 you can still have compatibility issues or Memtest86+ errors, BSODs,etc.
May 7, 2008 7:32:00 PM

(1) a little off-topic...but what (2x2gb) DDR2 800 RAM do u guys recommend for OC? best bang for buck? for a P35 + Q6600 build?

(2) Also, what is a good/safe OC number for the RAM and Q6600 on air?
May 7, 2008 7:56:30 PM

Thank you folks for all your help with the ton of questions I had! :wahoo: 

I went with the:
OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - Model OCZ2RPR8004GK
Newegg Total Price: $59.99 (after $35 rebate)
5-5-5-18 / 2.1V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227284

I will put a note at the top of this thread that everything has been answered.

I appreciate the great responses I got from everyone. Thanks again. :hello: 

Josza
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