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Low Performing 9800GX2

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May 25, 2008 6:18:28 AM

Gday All,

Recently i bought a XFX 9800GX2 & a Viewsonic 28" Monitor,

My current setup well its old but anyways.

Windows XP Home
Amd Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ Socket 939 (2.0GHZ)
Asus A8N SLI Premium MB
2gigs DDR Ram - 4x 512mb @ 400Mhz
My PSU is a http://www.corsair.com/products/hx.aspx

My graphics card is attached below

With the latest Drivers

And also have ran 3dMARK06 once on each monitor to check if it was the bottleneck for the crap score on the 28" and the 19" and both scored between 7000-8000, Can anyone pls help me and tell me whats going on is my CPU the bottleneck which is holding my score back by 5000 ?

My last score was

3DMark Score
7632 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score
3211
SM 3.0 Score
4186
CPU Score
1535

I remember my 7800GTX used to have a better score back then, All tests were run on 3DMark06 Demo version on default settings, here is also a screen shots of CPUz

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May 25, 2008 6:33:31 AM

haha 3800+ why not upgrade your cpu?
May 25, 2008 6:40:29 AM

Yeah i am going to upgrade soon, But is it the CPU thats holding the score back ?
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May 25, 2008 6:55:51 AM

Absolutely it is.
May 25, 2008 7:18:43 AM

Any suggestions on what MB, CPU & Ram to upgrade to ? to achieve a way higher score & if i do build my new PC do i take the PSU with it as well or do i need something bigger, also is 28" monitor fine all should i exchange for a 24" just concered..
May 25, 2008 7:39:58 AM

Also what res are you running ? 9800x2 weakness is the inablility to run well at higher resolutions.
May 25, 2008 7:44:39 AM

Was running the max 19" 1028x1204 something liek that and tried maxing the 28" and and still the same score but slightly different ? What do you reckon do an upgrade or just leave my PC how it is, if so what parts you reckon
May 25, 2008 9:34:42 AM

Time to upgrade the cpu. Im not sure what the socket type is compatable with. But also getting some ddr2 would be a big boost in performance.
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 9:49:20 AM

Not sure if theres any optys left, but get a fast dual opty, at least a 2.4 opty 180 I believe or redo your whole rig
May 25, 2008 11:26:03 AM

Well from the sounds of it im going to need a new motherboard and CPU im looking a Quad core and a Decent board and some ram, any recomendations ?
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 12:45:41 PM

That CPU is killing your 3dmark06 scores, and yes is slow enough to hurt your gameplay with that beast of a card.

Look at my 3dmark scores with a single low clocked XFX 8800GS and you see how much CPU impacts 3dmark06 scores.

a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 1:13:10 PM

complete bottleneck. i have the same card and i feel my q6600 @ 3.0ghz is a bottleneck.
May 25, 2008 1:19:23 PM

yeah same here. Although I managed to get 60+ frames in Snow level Crysis lol and I only have 1 card:)  Ofc it dropped to like 30/40 when action was around, but everything was Very high (Vista 64) 1280x1024 Resolution. Apparently 64 bit Crysis runs slower than 32 bit, I dunno if they fixed that:S I have the lastest 1.2.1 patch (apparently the .1 just meant multiplayer increase:) )

Heres something thats hilerious, I ran the benchmarks (CPU etc) and it unlocked the snow level in game. LOL! I didn't even play through the game and it got me to the near last level just by running a benchmark!

I also ran World in Conflict maxed out 16x CSAA/AS and the frames still droped to 15 in the benchmark, but the avg was 50:) 

Here is my GPUZ:

a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:08:42 PM

my system is also underperforming with a 9800gx2 i cant play crysis @ 1680x1050 very high no aa. i like get 24fps avg.
May 25, 2008 3:12:12 PM

are you sure multi gpu is enabled? :S
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:24:19 PM

yup gpuz says enabled 2. since the 9800gx2 is 2 cards if one board went bad couldnt it be working with the other board? maybe i board is defected and i noticed that everyone has a blue led on the 9800gx2 lit, mine isnt on. can that be a problem?
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:26:03 PM

invisik said:
my system is also underperforming with a 9800gx2 i cant play crysis @ 1680x1050 very high no aa. i like get 24fps avg.

To be honest, if that is Vista DX10 very high, even the mighty GX2 will struggle at that resolution. Win XP DX9 very high hack is a different story as fps are much higher. I would think like me, 16x10 High 2x/16x would be very playable. DX10 very high is another story.

Take a look, this is probably a scripted timedemo (gpu benchmark) not actual gameplay that would often give lower fps.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0408/itogi...
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0408/itogi...


If you look at tri sli (3*8800U) reviews, you'll see how much dual 8800U actually struggle in crysis very high. And a single 8800U... forget about it.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_3-way_sli_pe...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3183&p=4
May 25, 2008 3:26:17 PM

doubtful. wats your ram and cpu?
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:33:10 PM

L1qu1d said:
doubtful. wats your ram and cpu?


well i had 4 gig of ocz ram 800mhz. but windows vista only says 2gig free i guess the graphic card and mobo take the rest up since im limited with vista ult 32bit.
i only have 2 sticks in it oc @ 900mhz and my cpu is the q6600 @ 3.0ghz.
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:41:09 PM

pauldh said:
To be honest, if that is Vista DX10 very high, even the mighty GX2 will struggle at that resolution. Win XP DX9 very high hack is a different story as fps are much higher. I would think like me, 16x10 High 2x/16x would be very playable. DX10 very high is another story.

Take a look, this is probably a scripted timedemo (gpu benchmark) not actual gameplay that would often give lower fps.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0408/itogi...
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0408/itogi...


If you look at tri sli (3*8800U) reviews, you'll see how much dual 8800U actually struggle in crysis very high. And a single 8800U... forget about it.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_3-way_sli_pe...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3183&p=4


now it seems fine i thought something was wrong with my card, but its sad 9800gx2 cant even play the game at very high. shame the 9800gx2 cant max crysis yet. i think im gonna return my 9800gx2 since i have about 1 wk left. ill wait for the gtx 280. =]
May 25, 2008 3:41:20 PM

weird you have the same config as me almost, except i have 64 bit:S i duno:|
May 25, 2008 3:42:56 PM

I can run crysis very high at 1920:S thats weird, ofc frames drop once in a while:S
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:48:34 PM

weird. maybe my psu? i have an antec earthwatt 500. one more ? do u no y my pc only uses 2 gig. i no the gpu and mobo use memory but windows only uses 2gig. shouldnt it use 2.5gig or more. 1gig video 512 mobo= 1.5 4gig-1.5gig=2.5 gig should be seen.
May 25, 2008 3:48:56 PM

@OP

You CPU and Ram are holding you back.

You could get a P35 mobo under $100 and put a $69 e2180 in, and overclock it to 3.0 with some DDR2 800 ram for about $220 total. Then when you save some more you could get a better dual core or even a quad if you like.
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:50:55 PM

invisik said:
now it seems fine i thought something was wrong with my card, but its sad 9800gx2 cant even play the game at very high. shame the 9800gx2 cant max crysis yet. i think im gonna return my 9800gx2 since i have about 1 wk left. ill wait for the gtx 280. =]

Notice the GX2 reviews typically tested in High details not Very High. High res, DX10 very high, throughout all of crysis (not just the gpu bench or demo) is a stretch for almost any available solution.

Why return the card? Admittedly, it probably cost too much. But, It's a beast that is far better in Crysis than a single 8800U or 9800GTX. I'm thrilled with 8800GT SLI on a 22" LCD.

Here you can see a GX2 and Quad SLI in 16x10 very high actual gameplay not a scripted gpubench:
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=541&pa...

Here is very high actual gameplay at 1360x768 on a GX2:
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews.php?reviewid=538&pa...

As you can see, your fps are quite normal depending on the level you ave 24 fps in. If that is the demo or gpu bench it is low. If you ave 24 fps in assault, Core, Paradise Lost, Reckoning, etc. That's about what I'd expect honestly.

a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:54:17 PM

pauldh said:
Notice the GX2 reviews typically tested in High details not Very High. High res, DX10 very high, throughout all of crysis (not just the gpu bench or demo) is a stretch for almost any available solution.

Why return the card? Admittedly, it probably cost too much. But, It's a beast that is far better in Crysis than a single 8800U or 9800GTX. I'm thrilled with 8800GT SLI on a 22" LCD.


ya it cost alot i bought it for like 530$ the gtx 280 is supposedly pricing around $500+ but its a hell of a card looking at the specs. nvidia might not charge as much because of cheap ati cards.
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 3:59:09 PM

im getting 30fps on the lost planet demo everything maxed out is that normal?
May 25, 2008 8:19:25 PM

The thing im concerned about is, i have read around people mentioning 1 GPU could only being workin and the otherboard could be fried which i dont believe but whats making me believe it, i dont think the 3DMARK06 score can really hold back by 6000 because of the CPU ermm, if i upgrade and still get the same score ill go haywire
May 25, 2008 8:30:54 PM

If your up to it, you could try OCing your current proc. If you can get it up into the 2.6-2.8 range, you'll still be bottlenecked, but should improve things considerably.
May 25, 2008 8:32:13 PM

No way that 3800+ is slow, you need to upgrade ! I get around 9650 on mine !

a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 9:01:51 PM

3dmark06 isn't even a worthy test for your card at default settings. It will only beat a G92 GTS by 1,500-2000 points with a high end CPU. But stress it in a demanding part of Oblivion or Crysis and it could beat that same GTS by 80+%.
May 25, 2008 9:13:04 PM

pauldh said:
3dmark06 isn't even a worthy test for your card at default settings. It will only beat a G92 GTS by 1,500-2000 points with a high end CPU. But stress it in a demanding part of Oblivion or Crysis and it could beat that same GTS by 80+%.


I think your 80 percent is way over the top, unless you mean 24 inch monitor or larger..

I should just benchmark the whole game so you'll know. Send me your copy ;)  and I'll run it asap.

a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 9:24:59 PM

Quote:
I think your 80 percent is way over the top, unless you mean 24 inch monitor or larger..

I should just benchmark the whole game so you'll know. Send me your copy and I'll run it asap.


Trust me it's not. I have 100+ hours benching Crysis and Oblivion on numerous cards. Notice I said GPU demanding areas not the whole game.

I'll gladly share some proof of single 8800GT vs SLI 8800GT if you like. ;) 

For starters here is a fraps benchmark run of actual gameplay at 16x10 high 0x/16x through paradise lost. (The icy level, escorting Prophet after his suit fails). With 2xaa, the % is higher.



a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 9:32:58 PM

And here is a compressed merged screenie in that same level 16x10 all high 2xaa/16xaf. 16fps vs 29 fps is > 80%.




I'll edit in with Oblivion which in the foliage scales even higher with SLI: Again, compressed to meet imageshacks max file size. (original 16x10 max details 4x/16x)






I don't have a fraps run on this PC but could make a graph later of Oblivion foliage fraps gameplay fps to show it's not only in screenies. (already done the benchies just need to grap the fraps logs off that PC and throw them into excel)

Anyway, Notice in the screenies, 80% was a conservative figure not way over the top as you said.

May 25, 2008 9:44:55 PM

I thought we were talking 8800gts vs 9800 gx2 ?
May 25, 2008 9:45:41 PM
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 9:50:33 PM

Quote:
I thought we were talking 8800gts vs 9800 gx2 ?



Basically the same thing. What's a 9800GX2, but two G92 GTS GPU's each on a PCB sandwiched together. 9800GX2 basically = 8800GTS G92 SLI. Not exact, but close enough... both scaling like SLI.

Here- Oblivion & Crysis:
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2...
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9800_gx2...



And, it's not just high res. How about Crysis 12x10 very high. 30.6 fps for the GX2, 18.1 for a single G92 GTS. http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0408/itogi...
May 25, 2008 10:31:04 PM

very detailed thank you pauldh, like always you go out of your way to explain a good piece:) 

I'll make some benchies on my dad's tv and post em up:D  I got my GX2 to 770, 1150
a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2008 11:02:04 PM

No problem, and thanks.

It's important to note that not all games, all settings, all levels of a game see the same scaling. far from it. Aslo, the difference SLI, or even a GX2 like yours often makes it the ability to crank fsaa. I'm an fsaa junkie and really need 2x at 16x10 to get the most enjoyment gaming. I'd prefer at minimum to play all games at 4x/16x. For me, SLI pays off well.

I'd like to see your results. Crysis benching varies by level. Your card will really shine in certain levels. Fraps benching is IMO best, but I use both fraps and scripted demos. If you want to do alot of testing with ease without spending a ton of time, grab the Crysis benchmark utilities from Guru3d and HOC. I use both of these, but don't pay attention to the minimum reported from the guru3d one as it is carried over from the first run where fps chug a bit. It throws out that run for the average, but not the minimum.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1791
http://downloads.guru3d.com/HOC-Crysis-Benchmark-v1.3-d...


Hey, if you question your cards performance in crysis, we could compare HOC gpu benchies as I too run a 3.0GHz Q6600. Your GX2 should beat my SLI 8800GT setup , but I run Win XP so I'd think my results may be a bit higher even if we run all high details. Anyway, just an option if you think your results are lower than you expect.
May 26, 2008 12:09:46 AM

alright deal! I'll post the Hoc results in 20 mins:D 

EDIT: I used the Crysis benchmarking tool :) 

here are the Results:



DX 9 actually performed worse!!!! :|
a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2008 12:26:11 AM

Sounds good. I may not be as fast. It's my turn on the wii fit in a few minutes. :bounce:  What resolution(s) you doing?
May 26, 2008 1:20:12 AM

1280x1024.

Damn u and ur wii fit! lol took me forever to get mine:) 

I'll repost results just incase:



Here are the Results:



DX 9 actually performed worse!!!! :|

Temperatures With the fan on 100%



a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2008 3:13:11 AM

I'll have to do it tomorrow. Your DX10 high results look great. Was that the Crytec GPU bench? (island map)

The wii fit is my wife's. I waited in line on Wednesday morning to grab one on releases day as we had told her that was her mother's day gift. I'm kinda addicted to it playing 60+ minutes a day.
May 26, 2008 3:28:57 AM

yeah its good for you too:)  I bought the wii for my mom and gf lol. they took it as an insult...sigh lol

Yup thats the Crytec GPU bench. It apparently stress your card more than in game because of the high volume of shadows. Apperently you can change the time of the day and affect the look;)

K get to them when ever you can:p 
May 26, 2008 3:59:45 AM

Some beautiful Screens I took after benchmarking...my god the water is nice and the shadow effects!!!!

Take a look:) 











P.S Pauldh during the benchmark the clock was set to 9 oclock in morning no AA just 1280x1024 and the settings above

a b U Graphics card
May 26, 2008 4:51:34 AM

Well, stayed up late to try it and You easily got me beat. 3.0GHz Q6600 and the 8800GT's at BFG factory OC speeds (barely an OC - 625/1560/900mem). 12x10 all high Win XP 32-bit, I averaged 47.95 fps. Seems almost CPU limited as with same settings but 4xaa, I still averaged 44.33 fps. But that doesn't explain your huge boost with the GX2 OC'ed.

I'll have to try a single 8800GT with and without fsaa tomorrow for comparison at that low res. Are you at 3.24GHz like in your sig? Can you try a higher res or no monitor support?

Nice screenies. Your last one is a level SLI really shines in.

May 26, 2008 5:35:12 AM

thank You:) , when ever I was covered in ice it would drop the frames to 30-40:S really harsh...turned off shadows and they were back up at 60+
May 26, 2008 6:51:34 AM

Hey guys, you have lost me abit with all this bench marking!! i dont know much about Overclocking so im abit lost!!, So if you guys reckon my card is perfectly fine and i do need a upgrade what parts should i get if i have about 1-2000$ to spend to upgrade! just for the CPU, MB & Ram!
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