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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 04:39:54 PM

Hi there, got fed up with ATI and just recieved an 8800GTS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150267 from NEwEgg 2day, I simply installed it, updated the drivers from the website and ran 3dmark, only got 6000 marks, very surprised from what I read about this card, is there someting I am missing here?
OS: Win XP Pro SP2 64 Bit
Board: MSI K9A Platinum Crossfire ATI 3200 Chipset Bios ver 1.8
RAM: 4GIG Patriot Extreme DDR2 800MHz
CPU: AMD Athlon 6400+ 64x2 3.2 GHz
Hard drives: (2) WD Caviar 250 GB
Graphics cards: (1) Nvidia/ XFX 8800GTS (G92) 512MB
PSU: Antec TruePower Quattro 850 watt
Burners: (2) Sony/Nec 7170A
Gigabyte Chassis 3D Aurora Tower
LCD: Viewsonic 22” VG2230

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bornking   05-30-2008 at 04:47:58 PM
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It is either a driver issue (try older drivers) or your CPU is bottlenecking the card.

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skittle   05-30-2008 at 04:44:38 PM
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Did you uninstall your old drivers?

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pauldh   05-30-2008 at 04:53:55 PM
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What made you fed up with ATI? Poor 3dmarks? :)

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 04:59:21 PM
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skittle wrote :

Did you uninstall your old drivers?


yes uninstalled old drivers + ran ccleaned and driver cleaner, install nvida drivers fron the disc, then updated to the new ones from Nvidia website

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 05:01:04 PM
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pauldh wrote :

What made you fed up with ATI? Poor 3dmarks? :)


I had the 3870x2, always froze up games, rma'd two of them, spent alot of time w/ ATI tech support for them to finally tell me the Sapphire was not a certified card... oh boy was I pissed.

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 05:02:52 PM
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bornking wrote :

It is either a driver issue (try older drivers) or your CPU is bottlenecking the card.


I spoke to a tech at XFX the oher day b4 I got the card and he said looking at comparable systems I shoult get any where aroung 10000-12000 marks.

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pauldh   05-30-2008 at 05:09:35 PM
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yeah, 10K or above sounds right for default run of 3dmark06 at driver default settings. It's very CPU limited benchie, so 12K and above would be more for an Intel C2D or Quad.

Just curious if the problem existed before the upgrade. That is why I asked. Seems with not being happy before with ATI and now with NV, it may be system releated not GPU or even display driver related.


Your freezing in games may or may not have not been directly related to the HD3870's. You should have plenty of power with that PSU though. Possible compatibility issue going on.


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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 05:16:30 PM
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I plan on speaking to XFX today, b4 all on this I had 2 ATI x1950 pros running crossfire, stock, hitting around high 9k marks, not sure why it coud be system related, the issue w/ ATI/ the 3870x2 was when the Catalyst AI was on it would run hi marks but horrible in games... ie freezes etc. Im certain its somethin funky.

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pauldh   05-30-2008 at 05:18:09 PM
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has the motherboard and power supply remained the same since the crossfire X1950 pro? Were they fine performance wise and stability wise?

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royalcrown   05-30-2008 at 05:18:59 PM
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Sorry, but I get almost 10k, it isn't your card !

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 05:23:10 PM
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pauldh wrote :

has the motherboard and power supply remained the same since the crossfire X1950 pro? Were they fine performance wise and stability wise?


same power supply, the bios was flashed to new version and amd 6400 64x2 was added but I still had the crossfires,,, bios is set to optimized defaults and memory timings at 4-4-4-12 2.2volts

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pauldh   05-30-2008 at 05:30:32 PM
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OK, so everything was fine with the new bios and the new CPU. Then uninstalled the X1950 drivers and card, put in the 3870x2, and had game freezes? All this helps for us to get an understanding what's going on. What does CPU-Z report?

How about in games now. How is the 8800GTS doing? Is it only 3dmarks you are concerned about. 6K is low, I'd be concerned too when they are that low. I would not be concerned if it were 9,500 and you expected 10-12K.

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 05:43:02 PM
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pauldh wrote :

OK, so everything was fine with the new bios and the new CPU. Then uninstalled the X1950 drivers and card, put in the 3870x2, and had game freezes? All this helps for us to get an understanding what's going on. What does CPU-Z report?

How about in games now. How is the 8800GTS doing? Is it only 3dmarks you are concerned about. 6K is low, I'd be concerned too when they are that low. I would not be concerned if it were 9,500 and you expected 10-12K.


yep bios seems fine and the new cpu is very fast, all was running real well with the 2 1950pros, it6 was when I added the 3870x2 when I started having the issues while the catalyst ai was enabled. honestly i took an early lunch went home ainstaled the card ran 3d mark and then came back to work,
as far as cpuz goes I know what it is but the info would not mean anything to me, Im not that savy abuot that.

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pauldh   05-30-2008 at 05:46:43 PM
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AH, so you really haven't tested the 8800GTS much. But now you are at work going nuts about the low 3dmark score and wishing you were home fixing it. I can see clearly now :)

You could post a sceenshot of CPU-Z for us to look at. But before you get too worried, play some games and see how she does.

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 05:47:06 PM
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pauldh... hey if I run CPU-z tonight what should I be looking at? what should I focus on fron the report?

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 05:51:38 PM
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pauldh wrote :

AH, so you really haven't tested the 8800GTS much. But now you are at work going nuts about the low 3dmark score and wishing you were home fixing it. I can see clearly now :)

You could post a sceenshot of CPU-Z for us to look at. But before you get too worried, play some games and see how she does.


lol, yeh I would say I am a little curios on why, Ill get you a screenshot of cpuz tonight.

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jonpaul37   05-30-2008 at 05:59:23 PM
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definately not the CPU that's bottlenecking it, i've got an AMD 6000+ and hit over 12,000 with the 8800GTS 512 overC'd, have you tested the temperatures of the CPU, GPU and junk and stuff? try that out and post the temps, under idle and load...

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evongugg   05-30-2008 at 06:00:59 PM
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lol, yeh I would say I am a little curios on why, Ill get you a screenshot of cpuz tonight.



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rubix_1011   05-30-2008 at 06:06:34 PM
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If all else fails, reinstall your OS to ensure you have a clean system. I usually try to do that before I pinpoint hardware issues because software issues can seem like hardware problems due to degraded system performance.

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roadrunner197069   05-30-2008 at 06:08:23 PM
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What resolution are you running? Make sure its set to default and your card isn't set to force higher resolutions.

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 07:00:27 PM
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roadrunner197069 wrote :

What resolution are you running? Make sure its set to default and your card isn't set to force higher resolutions.


my desktop is set to 1280x1024 70hz I set the video card the same way. this is how I always have it set

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jcgross   05-30-2008 at 11:38:22 PM
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ok here are the screen shots of cpu-z and memory, I added 2 different options for better viewing...
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fdwzvc&s=3
http://i29.tinypic.com/fdwzvc.jpg

memory...
http://i30.tinypic.com/141tfma.png
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=141tfma&s=3

let me know...

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grizz86   05-31-2008 at 06:02:03 AM
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what?! ur ht link seems very low.. even with my athlon64 x2 4400+ score 1045.1 mhz.
I think u have a problem with mobo bios setup at hyper transport configuration..

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Dalyinx   05-31-2008 at 07:56:39 AM
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I get around 11700 with my 6000+ clocked ot 3.2 and my 8800gts 512 clocked to 800 & 1060

You should be getting around the same. 6k is really, really low

yeah & wtf @ 200mhz HT? It should be 1ghz


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jcgross   05-31-2008 at 10:28:05 AM
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grizz86 wrote :

what?! ur ht link seems very low.. even with my athlon64 x2 4400+ score 1045.1 mhz.
I think u have a problem with mobo bios setup at hyper transport configuration..


so what do I do?

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grizz86   05-31-2008 at 12:13:02 PM
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Its in ur motherboard bios setup.
I mean.. restart ur pc, when the pc start booting press DELETE. The bios setup menu should open. Go to ADVANCED CHIPSET FEATURES (well it depends on ur mobo, mine is using abit ax78). press enter. In hyper transport configuration/ht link, adjust ur ht link from 200mhz to 1000mhz. save and exit the bios menu. Its easy, give it a try.

On the other way, clear ur CMOS jumper. It should make ur bios to default.

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jcgross   05-31-2008 at 04:50:32 PM
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well heres the results... 12603d marks, yes twelve hundred and sixty. I attempted to play COD4 and the cursor just lazily moves around, here is a new cpuz screenshot...
http://i28.tinypic.com/r216bp.png

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grizz86   05-31-2008 at 05:12:33 PM
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well. good for u. what do u mean by cursor just lazily move? Is the perfomance still the same?

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jcgross   05-31-2008 at 05:18:51 PM
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no I actually went backwards, from 6k marks to a little over 1000 (1 Thousand), 3d mark runs horrible, cant play cod4, newest nvidia driver, new dx9, dxdiag is ok, everything else is oh tho

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jcgross   05-31-2008 at 05:22:09 PM
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what I meant by the cursor lazily moving in cod4, its like a slow delayed reaction, totally weird, but I checked on the MSI forum, the bios setting you suggested is correct.


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grizz86   05-31-2008 at 06:05:46 PM
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sorry. didnt notice that. I thought it was 12603 score. :p
hmm.. seems to me u using hyper performance ram right? Have u check in bios setup ur voltage of ram? If ur using hype prfmnce ram.. it should be 2.2 v. Some msi motherboards lock the voltage ram @ 1.85v. U should adjust the voltage manually even ur mobo set to default. Try it out.

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jcgross   05-31-2008 at 06:06:39 PM
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WOW! do I have an update, reran 3dmark... 11328 marks, running stock. played cod4 easily. sometimes my pc acts like its on the rag. now all I plan to do is go to tweak guieds.com and learn a little about the Nvidia Controll center... at any rate my hat is off to all of you for the advice and support :D

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