Is my processor bottlenecking my video card?

The question is what the thread is titled, do I have a bottleneck?
If I do have a bottleneck how much?

System Specs:
Asus A8N-Sli Deluxe Motherboard
2 Gigs of Mushkin Ram running at 2-2-2-6 (400Mhz)
AMD 4200+ Overclocked to 2.8Ghz (FSB 255)

Resolution I will be using is 1680x1050.

I did search and most of the threads i saw were a little vague for my taste/Did not include my resolution.

Thank you for reading :).
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  1. What is your video card?
  2. Must have inadvertently deleted that line.
    My video card is an EVGA 8800GT.
  3. Is there a game you are playing that you are unhappy with the framerates, or quality?
  4. I'm not unhappy with the games I play I just would like to get every last bit of performance i can out of a piece of hardware. In this case if I am bottlenecking I would want to overclock my CPU more(if I can) to come as close as i can to what the card can do. If I am not bottlenecking then I would want to overclock my video card.
  5. Yes, it is bottlenecking, but not much. For that generation of cards it would be sufficient but the next-gen cards such as the 9800GTX+, yup. For the GTX280/RV770 generation it will bottleneck. What games do you play tho? I only play on integrated so I don't know...
  6. Hm.. 4200+ to 2.8 ghz? 500 mhz Oc is good for athlonx2 Oo.
    Well at 2.8 ghz you should be ok. There is a bottleneck, but not much. I mean, if you use a 6400+ or an Oc'ed Phenom, you won't see much of improvement. Athlon dual cores are actually good for gaming and at that speed don't bottleneck so much.
    And if you say you play at 16x10, then you should be twice than ok. At hat resolution, GPu role is much superios than the CPU role. So if you want an improvement in fps at that resolutin, the OC will definitaly give you some extra FPS.


    Christopher
  7. I frequent both old and new games(in terms of technology).

    The Old: Warcraft 3, TF2 and various other HL2 Mods, Fallout Tactics, Psychonauts (one of the best games ever created), Emulators.

    The new: Age of Conan, Bioshock, Crysis

    My Need to play List includes Farcry 2, Fallout 2, and a few others.

    Christopherr said:
    Hm.. 4200+ to 2.8 ghz? 500 mhz Oc is good for athlonx2 Oo.
    Well at 2.8 ghz you should be ok. There is a bottleneck, but not much. I mean, if you use a 6400+ or an Oc'ed Phenom, you won't see much of improvement. Athlon dual cores are actually good for gaming and at that speed don't bottleneck so much.
    And if you say you play at 16x10, then you should be twice than ok. At hat resolution, GPu role is much superios than the CPU role. So if you want an improvement in fps at that resolutin, the OC will definitaly give you some extra FPS.


    Christopher


    Thanks Christopher. Your message was posted while I was replying so instead of double posting I just edited it into this Post.
  8. Only games where it is likely to be a noticable bottleneck ie less than 60fps are games like world in conflict or supreme commander. All other games, that cpu is going to good for at least 60fps.


    Lower your res to 840*640 with no filters and you will see what frame rate cap your cpu imposes.
  9. Preclude said:
    The question is what the thread is titled, do I have a bottleneck?
    If I do have a bottleneck how much?

    System Specs:
    Asus A8N-Sli Deluxe Motherboard
    2 Gigs of Mushkin Ram running at 2-2-2-6 (400Mhz)
    AMD 4200+ Overclocked to 2.8Ghz (FSB 255)

    Resolution I will be using is 1680x1050.

    I did search and most of the threads i saw were a little vague for my taste/Did not include my resolution.

    Thank you for reading :).



    I'm going to throw something different into the mix!

    "2 Gigs of Mushkin Ram running at 2-2-2-6 (400Mhz)"

    Are you running DDR RAM as opposed to DDR2? If so, this is quite possibly where your problem lies.

    Also, AMD don't have FSB, they use HyperTransport! :p
  10. mi1ez said:
    I'm going to throw something different into the mix!

    "2 Gigs of Mushkin Ram running at 2-2-2-6 (400Mhz)"

    Are you running DDR RAM as opposed to DDR2? If so, this is quite possibly where your problem lies.

    Also, AMD don't have FSB, they use HyperTransport! :p


    I am going to ignore the ignorance of this post.
  11. Preclude said:
    I am going to ignore the ignorance of this post.


    Excuse me?
  12. mi1ez said:
    Excuse me?


    The answer to your question was answered in my original post. An A8N-Sli Deluxe only supports DDR Ram.

    Also Where are you going to find ddr2 ram that runs at 400mhz with timings of 2-2-2-6?

    Finally, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_side_bus might help you out.
  13. So there's your bottleneck then IMO.

    Hence my post.
  14. mi1ez said:
    So there's your bottleneck then IMO.

    Hence my post.


    The performance difference between DDR and DDR2 is not huge. I mean sure ram over 800mhz is going to start to out perform my DDR but not enough to cause a significant bottleneck in this situation.
  15. Apologies for the poor grammar/rhetorical question earlier.

    I still reckon your bottleneck is likely the RAM, although being a single core processor at that speed won't help either.
  16. mi1ez said:
    Apologies for the poor grammar/rhetorical question earlier.

    I still reckon your bottleneck is likely the RAM, although being a single core processor at that speed won't help either.


    Really, did you even type the processor model into Google at least?

    The 4200+ does not even come in a single core. Either you are trolling the **** out of me, or you are commenting repeatedly on something you have no knowledge of.
  17. Sorry, if you'd put AMD X2 I would've realised.

    Definately RAM then.
  18. LOL OP i sure hope that somebody gives you too little change by accident...you would probably call the police :D

    I too overlooked you ram...that is likely to really hamper you more than you think. Up until a few weeks ago I had a 4200x2 @ 2.6 ghz ....(with 8800gt gaming at 1600*1050) and originally i had 2 gigs of ddr2 533mhz that had crappy timings. I never really expected any noticable difference when i upgraded to ddr2 800mhx (4,4,4,11). But i was shocked at the difference. In certain games i was getting massively improved performance. World in conflict i saw a a good 10-15 fps. In first person shooters the difference was a lot less...maybe 5fps.

    However your ram will def slow you up at least in certain scenarios. What scoket cpu is that???

    am2 mb and ddr2 800mhx ram are very cheap nowdays....if you were to upgrade that would be my suggestion....but the increase in performance wont be overwhelming so its your choice.

    Just one last thing...the next time someone anoyes you...which will likely be very soon....just close your eyes, take a deep breath and visualize a calm tranquil ocean.
  19. ^ It uses DDR-400 so therefore it must be a 754, 939 or 940. Since it is an Athlon X2 it must be a 939
  20. lameness said:
    LOL OP i sure hope that somebody gives you too little change by accident...you would probably call the police :D

    I too overlooked you ram...that is likely to really hamper you more than you think. Up until a few weeks ago I had a 4200x2 @ 2.6 ghz ....(with 8800gt gaming at 1600*1050) and originally i had 2 gigs of ddr2 533mhz that had crappy timings. I never really expected any noticable difference when i upgraded to ddr2 800mhx (4,4,4,11). But i was shocked at the difference. In certain games i was getting massively improved performance. World in conflict i saw a a good 10-15 fps. In first person shooters the difference was a lot less...maybe 5fps.

    However your ram will def slow you up at least in certain scenarios. What scoket cpu is that???

    am2 mb and ddr2 800mhx ram are very cheap nowdays....if you were to upgrade that would be my suggestion....but the increase in performance wont be overwhelming so its your choice.

    Just one last thing...the next time someone anoyes you...which will likely be very soon....just close your eyes, take a deep breath and visualize a calm tranquil ocean.


    you do make a point, but lets be fair. The reason you got much better performance was more because of the timings and less because of the speed of the ram. 2-2-2-6 is tight. That's why I believe it's not that much of a bottleneck.

    *Edit: Also if I were you I would run that Ram at 4-4-4-10. 4+4+2=10.
  21. your ram is ****, face it lol. get some ddr 2 or something its like £50 for 4gb of good stuff
  22. johnhalsted said:
    your ram is ****, face it lol. get some ddr 2 or something its like £50 for 4gb of good stuff


    It's an A8N-Sli Deluxe don't you guys get it. The board only supports DDR1. The only option I have is to get a new motherboard, ram and processor. If i'm going to do that I might as well get a q6600, a true, a really nice mobo, and some corcair dominator. For now I'm trying to make this build last.

    but enough of this off topic garbage. The question was "It my processor bottlenecking my video card". The only answers I've gotten so far are yes, Not much , and not really.
  23. Preclude said:
    The only answers I've gotten so far are yes, Not much , and not really.


    or OMG its your ram!!
  24. johnhalsted said:
    or OMG its your ram!!


    you do realize that a stick of DDR at 2-2-2-6 and a stick of DDR2 at 4-4-4-11 are pretty much equal right? his stick of ram runs at 2x the clock speed but mine does twice the work in 1 clock cycle.
  25. Seriously, you can't have a conversation with this guy without starting a fight about something trivial. Everyone just agree that he is completely right, now and forever, and it will all just go away...
  26. doesnt that mean that ddr2 copes with heavy loads better
  27. double post
  28. Preclude said:
    you do realize that a stick of DDR at 2-2-2-6 and a stick of DDR2 at 4-4-4-11 are pretty much equal right? his stick of ram runs at 2x the clock speed but mine does twice the work in 1 clock cycle.


    How does your RAM do twice the work per clock?
  29. I'd say it's the whole platform, just a guess.

    Nforce 4 chipset, DDR memory, 939 socket thats based on Hyper Transport, rather then FSB, which is sensitive on the kind of memory you have and be limited to because of the memory controller on the chip itself, would perhaps keep a 8800GT fed at a high resolution.

    And if it's a PCI-e 2.0, then your not going to get the full benefit out of the card.
  30. Nobody wants to hear about your "bottlenecking", you know how fast your system is. People mention upgrading because there is very little performance left to be finagled from that system. Don't post bogus topics and you wont get bogus answers.
  31. Hi,

    Your cpu will def bottleneck you in Crysis and Age of Conan and probably Bioshock also. Your ram is fine, i am running DDR ram:

    MSI K8N Diamond SLI
    Corsair DDR400 @ 422
    4800+ X2 @ ~ 2.7Ghz
    MSI 8800GT Zilent @ 700 / 2000
    Ben Q 24' 1900x1200 Monitor

    I get 30 - 40 fps on Crysis and 50 in Age Of Conan in full HD.

    My bro's PC was a A64 3500 + @ 2.6Ghz and same Mobo

    Tried and could not play Age of conan at all and def wont play Crysis. Looked for a 4400+X2 939 to upgrade for him, so hard to find now and not that cheap for what it is. Ended up easier to get a Pentium Dual Core 2180 (sooo cheap and overclocked to ~ 3.2) and a Gigabyte DS3L + 2bg ddr2800 all for £130!

    Basically all new games are multi-threaded. Cyrsis, AOC, COD4, SUPCOM ..... Really need Dual core at least. See if you can get your hands on a cheap 939 x2 or just go for a new intel platform as they are so cheap now and great performance.

    Hope this helps.
  32. Preclude, sorry to annoy you, but i dont think that you know how ram works.
    Im no expert so i could be wrong, but as far as i was aware, those timing numbers are the amount of clock cycles the ram takes to locate a certain block of info needed. Therefore my dd2 800mhz takes (the first number is the moist important i think) 4 clock cycles which is twice the number of clocks as yours....however my ram is also clocked at twice the speed and therfore it actually take the same amount of time. However then when the info is being sent for processing the double speed of my ram giving twice the performance of yours.

    Therefore when finding the info.....are ram is equal

    when sending the info my ram will be twice as quick

    ddr3 1600mhz has even slower timing numbers. However even if this ram had timings of 8,8,8,22 it was still beat my ram hands down.

    The 4200x2 is especially vulnerable to slower ram because it only has 2 X 512kb cache. Therefore they need to access the ram for info more frequently than intel chips which generally have 4 times the cache.

    Like i said this was just my understanding...if anyone knows (and not just thinks) that iam wrong then please say.
  33. xplice ....he already has a dual core...another poor fellow made the same error as yourself.... he doesnt walk anymore....

    The OP makes Lt Worf look laid back.
  34. Ah lol, guess he forgot the 'X2' in the initial post. CPU should be fine in that case!

    Another thing worth checking is is your CPU utilisation chart. Run Task Manager > Performance while playing the demanding game of your choice and alt+tab back and see if the chart is up and down and not hitting 100% (Good) or occationally hitting 100% and going flat (Ok) or a flat line pretty much at 100% the whole time (not good! cpu def the bottleneck).
  35. i think too is the memory. as you have pointed out the RTS game experience the worse fps. because RTS use CPU for AI calculation and therefore will use quite alot of ram in the process. and DDR ram is very slow. i dont know how it will do in the AMD IMC but here is mine.


    for the new graphics card such as your 8800GT 2.8ghz will be enough from a Core 2 Dual. im not so sure about your 2.8Ghz compare to Core 2. because they done the test in Intel platform but you will get the general idea about Ghz to game.
    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/cpu-gpu-upgrade,review-30828-20.html
  36. Hey OP, Guess who????????????


    Yep its me the dude who you played missile wars with yesterday, (warcraft 3) Knew the name looked familiar.

    Bottlenecks got to hate them, heh i have 3, cpu bottlenecks the gpu psu bottlenecks both gpu and cpu (not enough power and when i exchange psu's (better one) FPS go up like way up (20-30%).

    Oh and just so you know its not your computer lagging in warcraft 3, its the software, least i think it has to be, played warcraft 3 on a really good computer before and my friends have as well, (Q6600 oc'ed Geforce 8800 GTX slied) now if a 6 year old game still lags on this kind of setup it has to be the software.
  37. Is my processor bottlenecking my video card?

    No.

    Christopher is the only person on this thread who reasonably answered your question.

    +1 for your understanding of RAM timing. Some folks just don't get it.

    -1 for any suggestion of dumping your mobo.

    The issue I think you have to deal with is whether you should purchase a second 8800gt and SLI (at x8x8) or consider an HD4850 or maybe a GTX 260 if you are feeling flush with cash.

    When that time comes I would sell the 8800gt and probably get an HD4850 (and maybe an aftermarket cooler from the early reviews I've seen).

    Here is Anand on the HD4850
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338&p=16
  38. OP: before jumping down the throats of everybody who misses an item in your spec, try posting correctly in the first place.

    You want our advice, why should we trawl the interwebs just to confirm you're running an X2 when you could've easily just told us that in the first place.

    And if you genuinely know as much about hardware as you're making out by jumping down everybody's throats then surely you should know where your bottleneck lies and how significant an issue it is.

    Or maybe just don't come looking for advice if you're just going to be a **** about it.
  39. Wisecracker said:
    +1 for your understanding of RAM timing. Some folks just don't get it.

    -1 for any suggestion of dumping your mobo.


    do i qualify for any of these?lol
  40. LePhuronn said:
    OP: before jumping down the throats of everybody who misses an item in your spec, try posting correctly in the first place.

    You want our advice, why should we trawl the interwebs just to confirm you're running an X2 when you could've easily just told us that in the first place.

    And if you genuinely know as much about hardware as you're making out by jumping down everybody's throats then surely you should know where your bottleneck lies and how significant an issue it is.

    Or maybe just don't come looking for advice if you're just going to be a **** about it.


    not gonna lie I was being a bit crabby, I suppose i just take for granted knowing every AMD processor (being a fanboy). I take a lot of care in quickly refreshing my knowledge of hardware with a quick Google and what not when that is not that case as well. I just figured the A8N and the 4800+ would be pretty well known. I will be much more specific next time when i post technical specs.
  41. Wisecracker said:
    Is my processor bottlenecking my video card?

    No.

    Christopher is the only person on this thread who reasonably answered your question.

    +1 for your understanding of RAM timing. Some folks just don't get it.

    -1 for any suggestion of dumping your mobo.

    The issue I think you have to deal with is whether you should purchase a second 8800gt and SLI (at x8x8) or consider an HD4850 or maybe a GTX 260 if you are feeling flush with cash.

    When that time comes I would sell the 8800gt and probably get an HD4850 (and maybe an aftermarket cooler from the early reviews I've seen).

    Here is Anand on the HD4850
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338&p=16


    Also Wisecracker I am also an Nvidia fanboy. I don't think I will ever buy an ATI Card. Then again that's what I said about Intel Processors :-p
  42. how about just buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 so you lot cant argue about which one to upgrade is better!lol
  43. When AMD first started using DDR2,AM2 socket the same CPU was actually slower I think though DDR2 has a little lower cas timing now I think. DDR made up the differance being cas2 timing dont think any DDR2 can match that. Its not worth upgrading just for the memory if your using same speed CPU. Though AM2 socket will let you get faster CPU, and unlocked multiplier with the block box CPU,which will help on OC. Not saying DDR2 isnt faster just not worth the money to upgrade if thats all your worried about.
  44. OP can you do some everest benchmark to show your memory speed? i really want to see how fast they are at CAS 2 because i believe back in DDR intel using the slow ass FSB has always limted the speed of those memory. the IMC on AMD will really shows what its made of. can you do that for me PLEASE?! or someone who got similar setup:)
  45. iluvgillgill said:
    OP can you do some everest benchmark to show your memory speed? i really want to see how fast they are at CAS 2 because i believe back in DDR intel using the slow ass FSB has always limted the speed of those memory. the IMC on AMD will really shows what its made of. can you do that for me PLEASE?! or someone who got similar setup:)


    well to be honest i am stuck with 2T command rate. The memory controller will not run 2T with 4 Sticks of 512.

    However I will do a bench for you

    Edit: These are the modules I am using http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=5
  46. thanks i will wait for your everest benchies:)
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  48. oh!!!preclude i forgot to tell you there is a memory & cache benchmark under tool menu and you should see the same window as mine.thats what i was looking for!:)
  49. iluvgillgill said:
    oh!!!preclude i forgot to tell you there is a memory & cache benchmark under tool menu and you should see the same window as mine.thats what i was looking for!:)



    my bad here you go
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