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May 16, 2008 4:24:05 PM

well so i'm plaining to buy a new comp soon... what do you think about the parts i picked:
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 Allendale 2.4GHz LGA 775 65W Dual
MB: DFI LANPARTY DK P35-T2RS
GPU: GECUBE GC-XHD3850PG3-E3R Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit / GIGABYTE GV-RX387512H Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit / GIGABYTE GV-NX88T256HV1 GeForce 8800GT 256MB 256-bit / EVGA 512-P3-N861-AR GeForce 9600GT 512MB 256-bit (I still dont' know what I will pick)
Ram: GeIL Value Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800

any suggestions will be helpful

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May 16, 2008 8:46:41 PM

E8400 if you can afford it. $200

8800GT 512MB G92 or Radeon HD 3870 (you can them for $149 now)

Motherboard is ok, you can do better. If you want to overclock go X38.
May 16, 2008 9:34:49 PM

Looks good.
I'd pick an E7200 ($135) over the E4600 or as shadowduck said the E8400 (both 45nm). If you can afford it get the 8800GTS 512MB version (225).

Make sure you get a good PSU and CPU cooler for overclocking.
Good luck.
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May 16, 2008 10:24:18 PM

Andrius said:
Looks good.
I'd pick an E7200 ($135) over the E4600 or as shadowduck said the E8400 (both 45nm). If you can afford it get the 8800GTS 512MB version (225).

Make sure you get a good PSU and CPU cooler for overclocking.
Good luck.

+1 Get 8800GTS, E8400, P35 is ok!
May 16, 2008 10:34:19 PM

P35 is gonna net you 3.6 gigs,
May 16, 2008 11:18:35 PM

What you gonna be using your new rig for mostly?
May 17, 2008 12:22:14 AM

I think we can Help you pick some better components.
1: Whats your Budget ?
2: What will you be using your System for ?
May 17, 2008 3:45:28 AM

nothin wrong with the e8400 or the ds3l, where do you get off ?
May 17, 2008 7:15:02 AM

people stop recommending the e8400. its a waste of money, get a e7200 for 130 . its 10 bucks more then the e4600 which i have, but has 45nm, sse4, 3mb cache vs 2mb. that 70 bucks could go somewhere else like a 880gt. ever heard of an unbalanced pc?!?!?!? go nvidia.com if u have at least intel for 2 duo 2.4 or higher, u wont bottleneck ur system in everygame at high resolutions ie 1680 x1050 or higher. get a 8800gt, its 150 from xfx with coh. wowowoow!! its after 30mir.
May 17, 2008 8:01:40 AM

A e8400 is not going to create a bottle neck, dont know why you bash a proven processor.
May 17, 2008 4:08:23 PM

pcgamer12 said:
people stop recommending the e8400. its a waste of money, get a e7200 for 130 . its 10 bucks more then the e4600 which i have, but has 45nm, sse4, 3mb cache vs 2mb. that 70 bucks could go somewhere else like a 880gt. ever heard of an unbalanced pc?!?!?!? go nvidia.com if u have at least intel for 2 duo 2.4 or higher, u wont bottleneck ur system in everygame at high resolutions ie 1680 x1050 or higher. get a 8800gt, its 150 from xfx with coh. wowowoow!! its after 30mir.

What are you talking about?
May 17, 2008 4:21:40 PM

@ blacksci & hughyhunter
I think pcgamer12 was trying to say E8400 is overkill.
If the OP saves $65 by going from a $200 E8400 to a $135 E7200 and overclock it he could put the $65 towards a ~$225 8800GTS. That's the only reason I would not recommend an E8400.

Aside from that 3.6-4.0GHz (on a stock cooler) is just about as far as you can go (so P35 is good enough). I would however still get a XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 for $37 so it runs cooler. :) 
May 17, 2008 6:10:42 PM

That might be true, he may plan to upgrade his card later though too. I know alot of people are in the lemme build it now, and ill get a card that will get me by until we see what comes out mode right now .
May 17, 2008 6:15:34 PM

Sure... I can understand that he can save a few bucks and put it toward a better GPU... but he was bashing the CPU! For what reason? None! He says it's a waist of money! Clearly it's not a waste. I can understand if he was comparing an E8400 to a Q9300... You save even more money by going with the dual and you can outperform it in some games and hang with it in others.
I do agree though that the GPU plays the biggest part in most games. All but FSX... that game is seriously CPU bound!
May 17, 2008 7:37:01 PM

joelg88 said:
I think we can Help you pick some better components.
1: Whats your Budget ?
2: What will you be using your System for ?

1: I don't realy limit myself with some budget. I'm trying to pick with some reasons.
I went for p35 after reading some review about the P35 / x38 / x48. Most reviews say that if you are not planing to go SLI / CF you won't need that. I'm currently don't think much about to overclock, mb little l8er or with the need.
but I realy thought about the idea to take the x38/x48 for the future upgrades the dif in price isn't so big.
on the P35 chipsets I chose between the Abit IP35 Pro and the current one DFI DK 35 T2RS, but still maybe better to pick the X chipset.
the only reason I'm mentioned ATI video cards cause every review mention that they got a better image quality, all my previous GPU were nVidia G, well maybe I will try ATI (I know Gforce > ATI)
well about the CPU mb you guys convinced me to take the E7200 prolly the one I chose is a weak one.
PSU and cooling it's probably will depend on the hardware that I gonna take...

2: yeah it's for gaming, can't say I playing hard games, but as I own crysis I sometimes wanna play it too.
May 17, 2008 10:41:01 PM

^The only reason I would not recommend going with a P35 board is the P45 comming out in early June. Aside from that the only real benefit for X38/X48 is full 16x CrossFire and a higher stock FSB (400MHz) so you don't have to overclock the board as much. It's also abit easier to overclock for that very reason.

The real benefit of the E7200 over the E4600 is 45nm so it runs a bit cooler.
It's 9.5x multiplier means you need 421MHz for 4.0GHz. The fact that it's also 1/3 cheaper than the E8400 and has about the same multiplier means they have about the same reach in terms of overclocking makes it the clear winner for a budget build (IMO).

Getting the graphics card later might be a very good idea this time around as the summer is going to be filled with releases.
May 18, 2008 3:11:28 PM

so if i'm going x38/x48 what board you will recomend me
May 18, 2008 3:26:22 PM

I would get X48 or wait on P45.
May 18, 2008 3:28:44 PM

shadowduck said:
This one is the one I have and it is great: Asus P5E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219

well some of the reviews that i read about the asus boards that they heat more and use 20W more then other boards, but I can't say much about this one... I wasn't reading much about the x38/x48 boards.
May 18, 2008 5:41:45 PM

hughyhunter said:
I would get X48 or wait on P45.

wich x48?
and if I go amd? is it worth it? I'm not about the price ofc...
May 18, 2008 10:40:32 PM

Dependent upon what your budget is and if you can afford to go with the newer DDR3 motherboards and memory, I would get one of these boards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
The reason I would pick a Gigabyte board is they have been delivering an amazingly reliable and low heat/power board to the public for several generations of intel chipset boards. They also use very high quality capacitors. In the end it's up to you though. There is still nothing wrong with Asus it's all just a matter of who you trust and who's warrant and reviews you like more.
The DDR2 motherboard is quite a bit cheaper and will perform close to the DDR3 board.
May 19, 2008 2:28:31 PM

and they dfi x48 boards? I can't realy find alot of info about them
mb the only reason I won't go x38/x48 it's becuz of the power use... I will have to buy 1kw PSU
May 19, 2008 3:33:13 PM

^Who told you that BS? You only need 1kW or more PSUs for SkullTrail or tri/quad SLI/Crossfire.

A heavily overclocked quadcore consumes a max of 150W.
A HD3870/8800GTS consumes a theoretical max of 150W, so 300W for 2.
4 sticks of OCed RAM consume 60W. The board consumes less than 50W. So that adds up to what? 650W if you push everything to the theoretical maximum (I left some room for disk drives and the whatnot).

The only way you need more is by going tri/quad SLI/CrossFire/SkullTrail.
IE : two 9800GX2 consume a theoretical max of 500W (that's 4 GPUs). How do we come to that number? 2x8pin = 200W, 2x6pin = 150W, 2x PCIE slots (1.0 compatible max 75W) = 150W.

In a single GPU system 550W is more than enough.
Edited for some typos and ... :) 
May 19, 2008 6:49:32 PM

well what can you say about the DFI x38 boards? or mb the MSI or the Abit?
I think I should go witht the x38...
I can't find reviews about them...
as far as I know MSI boards on P35 is kinda poor for overclock... but I coudn't find any info about it on x38...
well I need some help here any links opnions plz :/ 
May 19, 2008 8:34:35 PM
May 19, 2008 11:30:00 PM

Good post Andrius. I agree with him. Personally I would opt for the Gigabyte. User friendly and proven quality.
May 20, 2008 6:59:56 PM

well after reading the reviews I won't take the Abit, MSI, ASUS.
well from choosing between DFI LT 38 T2RS, DK 38 T2RS, and the Giga-Byte GA-EX38-DS4 what would you recommend?
May 20, 2008 7:23:49 PM

Go with the Gigabyte!
May 20, 2008 9:44:07 PM

Andrius I wonder you got gigabyte too...
the only thing that I found bad about gigabyte is "Large Northbridge heatsink blocks first PCI-e slot"

well actualy I thought to get DFI DK x38/x48 T2RS
CPU: E7200 - Link on newegg plz I can't find it there
GPU: 3870
well what should kind of ram and coolers should i get if I pick that build?
May 20, 2008 10:17:35 PM

I'm an ASUS Deluxe/Premium motherboard fanboy by heart. It's always been my opinion that the motherboard is the most important component in a PC so I never skimp on it. :) 

I got this GA-P35-DS3P board for LPT/COM (workhorse build). It was silly how easy it was to overclock it. The board runs cool and keeps my Q6600 stable quite a bit below VID and at 3.0GHz (I'm very happy with it). I've also had Gigabyte (GF 6600GT, 8600GT, 9600GT) graphics for the past 3 and a half years and they are good to me so I don't doubt the quality of their products.

The only reason I don't get an GA-EX38-DS4 right now is the fact I can't get over the daft design choices they made on it.
BeginRant
The northbridge cooler is way to massive and high.
the cooler is still a better choice than the DFI tower cooler and a great option if you inted to do watercooling as you can mount a low rpm large fan on it with some zipties or some hotglue.
I think the first PCIEx1 slot is meant for audio sollutions with very short PCBs (it's fixed on the GA-X48-DS4).
Why is the southbridge cooler not linked to the main block with a heatpipe?
Why the 4pin FireWire port (this one is painfully stupid IMO). FireWire is a bus. You don't NEED 2 connectors in one spot. And why 8 USB ports in the back? Wasting room. Add eSATA without IO brackets instead to reduce clutter!
EndRant

CPU E7200 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Cooler : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Corsair RAM : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
but any quality 2x2GB kit will do the same.

9.5x400MHz will put you at 3.8GHz
9.5x450MHz will put you at 4.2GHz and any quality kit does 450MHz at tight timings.
If you think you need it you can also get a 1066MHz kit :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...(PC2+8500)
Geil, Corsair, Mushkin, Kingston you can't miss with.
I'm getting the Corsair Dominator kit in July with an E7300 to start my watercooling build.
I'm going to try to get 4.0GHz and 500MHz FSB on a P35 to kill some fairytales. ;) 
May 21, 2008 4:01:48 AM

^^^GREAT choices Andrius! I like! Nice rant too. I'm diggin that 9.5x multiplier on that E7200. I wonder if 4.05ghz or 450mhz is feasible with that sucker!?
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