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June 23, 2008 5:48:00 AM

I'm building a gaming PC. I've got to go Intel since I've already bought the mobo, and I've got 3GB of DDR2-800 RAM. I'm currently stuck between going dual-core with the Intel E8500 or going quad-core with their Intel Q9300. I'll probably be running some newer and older games, which makes me want to go with dual-core, but I don't plan to replace this computer until two or three years.

What do you think? Quad-core or dual-core?

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June 23, 2008 6:18:17 AM

Do you intend to overclock?
June 23, 2008 6:19:55 AM

No.
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June 23, 2008 6:20:00 AM

Depends on if you will only be playing games, if you get into any video encoding, or highend photo editing, and still want to be able to usefully use
your machine while that stuff is going on. Then i would go with the Quad.

Now if you want absolutely fastest framerates in your games, its probably
going to be the dual, because of the raw speed. I mean benchmarks in
most games prove that the E8500 is blazing fast.

On the other hand (If i had three hands hehe.) Longevity wise I think
the Quad will benefit you more since more, and more things, wether games,
or appz will start being multithreaded for Quad core stuff.
June 23, 2008 6:41:29 AM

I think I'll be going with the dual core then.
June 23, 2008 3:27:27 PM

I cant even load 4 cores playing crysis even though crysis does use 4. Personally I'd overclock the daylights out of an E8500 on a good reliable X38 board. If I was determined to go 4 cores, I'd get a Q9450.
June 24, 2008 1:04:19 AM

why do people even ask these questions if you go with the quad your system will last longer eventually everything is going to move over to multi thread for longevity i would go with the quad hands down !!!
June 24, 2008 1:13:22 AM

if your not oveclocking get a high clock speed - or dual

i would get the q9450 with the nvidia 780i chipsets, q6600 works good with intel both run 3.6ghz

the e8500 is good for gamers who do not multitask - i.e play muisic or surf on a 2nd monitor or who have a lot of browsers up

quad is faster - it feels faster at lower speed to due better quad core optimization in os updates
June 24, 2008 1:18:43 AM

Game performance of faster dual vs slower quad. This one compares 2 cpus of 65nm generation. 45nm generation should not be too different.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-...

Keep in mind that multithreading is the future. A quad will at least stand a chance against the 8 core Nehalem, to be released at the end of this year, but a dual will be completely outclassed, no matter how high clocked.
June 24, 2008 1:41:30 AM

I say get the 8500.. As this is what I did... By the time more apps and games use the multi core of the quads, you would be able to very cheaply get yourself an older quad such as the 9450.. I say the 9450 as an older choice, because, by the time enough games and apps take advantage of multi cores, the 9450 may be a bargin bin dream....
June 24, 2008 1:44:39 AM

then there will be better quad out then. why get the old one when the better one is available?
June 24, 2008 1:50:50 AM

iluvgillgill said:
then there will be better quad out then. why get the old one when the better one is available?

It's not so much better quad than octo core. Nehalem comes out at end of this year, remember? That's in 6 months. Besides, Intel is bringing back ht with Nehalem, that's 8x2=16 threads!

Getting an expensive dual at this point makes no sense. A year or two ago, it would. But not anymore.
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June 24, 2008 2:12:18 AM

16 threads to do what? Cook you dinner while washing your car?
June 24, 2008 3:13:35 AM

randomizer said:
16 threads to do what? Cook you dinner while washing your car?


Hmmmm, I don't know for sure, but I think I have found a use for 16 thread capabilities.....



Decompressing 1GB WinRar Russian Porn files while video editing the best scenes from your last download at the same time watching a HD full screen movie and crunching a spreadsheet.

Of course that is taking multitasking to the extreme.
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June 24, 2008 3:51:32 AM

I play a game, or I surf the net, or I do something else. Notice the keyword "or". I rarely do more than one thing at a time, so 2 threads is more than enough for me. Now if I could get my CPU to bake me a pie while I was typing this I'd gladly dedicate a thread to that.
June 24, 2008 5:37:47 AM

This is funny, not one mention of all the encoding thats soon to trash any quad core being done by gpus. If the OP is gaming, and intends to not oc, getting the highest Ghz is the most important. Doing encoding is a gpu job, not a cpus. Cpus have shown how innefficient they are encoding vs a gpu. I say, get the faster dual
June 24, 2008 5:40:36 AM

By the time apps fully utilize quad cores, anything you choose now will be obsolete.
June 24, 2008 12:33:27 PM

This loyalty toward old hardware makes no sense. This is exactly like the single core vs dual argument from a few years back. Now all games are dual optimized. And even the earilest dual core cpus, like the e2140, are very much alive and chugging along, still being brought by people for budget gaming rigs, while all single core cpus that came after that are completely worthless for gaming. History is the best indication for future trends. Seems like some people just perfer to fall into the same hole twice.
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June 24, 2008 12:51:59 PM

^ True, but my primary gaming rig is my flaming fast Athlon XP! It plays most games alright at 1024x768...

Seriously I won't ever wanna evolve my computer into some kinda monster, high powered machine if all I ever do is use Firefox whilst playing itunes and drawing in painter (I mean like 95%).
June 24, 2008 12:59:02 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
This is funny, not one mention of all the encoding thats soon to trash any quad core being done by gpus. If the OP is gaming, and intends to not oc, getting the highest Ghz is the most important. Doing encoding is a gpu job, not a cpus. Cpus have shown how innefficient they are encoding vs a gpu. I say, get the faster dual


Yes because CUDA works soo well.... BTW you forgot to mention the GPU encodeing is done on a second card not running GUI interface, useing "optimized" code. GPU's might help in encodeing but they sure the hell aren't going to rule it. With repects that a GPU has no logic to open edit save that file it's useing a compiler to set up everything, all in all sounds like a Itainium setup and we all know how the industry took that.

Word, Playa.
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June 24, 2008 1:15:05 PM

^ still did you see that GPU encoder in action? It was so cool! a $200 GFX card beat a $800+ CPU
June 24, 2008 1:23:42 PM

amdfangirl said:
^ still did you see that GPU encoder in action? It was so cool! a $200 GFX card beat a $800+ CPU


If these compilers are anything like their drivers, it will be a long haul before we get reliable stable encodeing for large datasets that aren't running "special" code.

Word, Playa.
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June 24, 2008 2:10:42 PM

dagger said:
This loyalty toward old hardware makes no sense. This is exactly like the single core vs dual argument from a few years back. Now all games are dual optimized. And even the earilest dual core cpus, like the e2140, are very much alive and chugging along, still being brought by people for budget gaming rigs, while all single core cpus that came after that are completely worthless for gaming. History is the best indication for future trends. Seems like some people just perfer to fall into the same hole twice.


This makes no sense.

In your logic 2 is better than 1 so 4 must be better than 2 (and I bet 8 will be better than 4).

And you keep linking the Xbit e6850/q6600 trash to prove your point when the q6600 was running 3.6GHz at load temps of 86c-86c-75c-75c. (And Tom's CPU Charts show the e8400 beating the q6000 in every game bench.)

As tokyotech noted: By the time apps fully utilize quad cores, anything you choose now will be obsolete. Get over it. It's TRUE.

+1 for the e8400

PS - I have no idea what "Now all games are dual optimized"" means. To this day the vast majority of game kernels are single-threaded. You obviously have no clue how difficult it is to completely rewrite a program for parallel multithreading. Whatever 'load balancing' (not parallelism) occurs is a product of the OS.

WinV is marginally better than WinXP at load balancing across cores.
June 24, 2008 3:18:54 PM

KevinWI said:
I'm building a gaming PC. I've got to go Intel since I've already bought the mobo, and I've got 3GB of DDR2-800 RAM. I'm currently stuck between going dual-core with the Intel E8500 or going quad-core with their Intel Q9300. I'll probably be running some newer and older games, which makes me want to go with dual-core, but I don't plan to replace this computer until two or three years.

What do you think? Quad-core or dual-core?


I'd say it would be based on your budget. Since you state that your are not going to OC, get the best speed CPU of price performance what you can afford now. The E8400 would perhaps bet better then the E8500. The speed between those 2 are not very much for roughly 80 bucks.

You should tell everyone what MB you got.

And as far as FPS, that would really depend on what monitor you have. But then if your going on benchmark scores, higher FPS by 30 in the upper 100 FPS, isn't really going to make you a better player. :lol: 

Edit:

Also forgot to mention... you can always upgrade to a quad later. :D 
June 25, 2008 3:37:58 AM

This is all in beta, the encoding on gpu. LOL tooo funny again. Something in beta squashing quads IS exciting, and forwards looking. Yea, lets just hope a multi multi mutli core can happen soon, cause CUDA is at the door now
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June 25, 2008 7:12:26 AM

^ given they are not artificially inflated...
June 25, 2008 8:52:11 AM

Im talking about Anands assessment. Or do you mean like Anands approach to Nehalem as well?
July 6, 2008 2:05:06 PM

I Just upgraded to an E8400 myself. Had to make the same choice E8400/E8500 or a Q9450. I decided to go for the E8400 since I use my rig mainly for gaming. The GA-X38-DQ6 motherboard gives an option on this processor to increase the multiplier by 0.5 to 9.5 = E8500 speed. The reason why I didn't go Q9450 is that I want to wait for intel to release their new line of processors with integrated memory controller in november? and that wil mean an more intensive upgrade.
See the E8400 as an intermediate upgrade. I upgraded from an E6600.... running @ 3.0 :)  I know very doubtful upgrade but the e8400 overclocks like mad :) 
July 6, 2008 2:07:16 PM

KevinWI said:
I'm building a gaming PC. I've got to go Intel since I've already bought the mobo, and I've got 3GB of DDR2-800 RAM.


matching pairs anyone? how is your 3gb broken down?
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