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Best choice that wouldn't bottle neck (AGP Graphics card)

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June 3, 2008 5:54:48 AM

Hello :) 

still running an AGP system and only really plan only playing one newer game, Age of Conan.
since i'm only really interested in this one game i dont see a HUGE need to get a new computer


the game runs decent right now and med. setting , but i'm worried about when i start getting to end game and have to raid ..with a bunch of ppl on screen @ once.

my computer

CPU: AMD 64 3200+
Mobo: DFI K8M800-MLVF 754 VIA K8M800
PSU: Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W
Ram: 2gbDDR 400 PC 3200
Gcard: ASUS Radeon X800PRO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3

my graphics card's bios is flashed to a x800xt ...unlocked it to 16pipes and upped the clocks

..i was wondering what agp card could i get that would run alot better than my current card ..but not be bottle necked by my setup

was looking @

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

..i'm guessing same cards but when has better cooling? .

the better cooling costs $109 after rebate ...but they have a $79 open box

if any other info is need pls tell
June 3, 2008 6:14:39 AM

Your CPU is probably causing a lot of the issues you're having with Conan. The recommended CPU is an E6600, which is equiv to an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+. The disparity between your processor and the recommended one is more than that between your GPU and the recommended one - ~ x800xt and 7900gtx. That said, refer here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-agp-3850-agp,19... .

They use basically the same processor that you have. (theirs is actually slightly faster).

Personally, I'd upgrade the mobo and processor first, and then worry about the graphics card. You're going to pay a big premium for an AGP card - 50-100 dollars.

imo just buy a 775 mobo and an e2160 and overclock the hell out of it. Even at stock, it'll be bounds ahead of your current CPU.

otherwise, check out the article I linked to. The 3850 is the best card, but you probably won't see a huge jump from your card to a it. The CPU is the first thing you need to upgrade.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2008 6:15:16 AM

I assume 100 bucks is about your price range on this upgrade? while these new cards will offer better shader support I don't think they would represent a "substantial" increase in overall performance. I would try age of conan on your current card and see if you can live with medium to low detail settings.

If you do wanna buy a new card you've pretty much picked the best two canadates.

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June 3, 2008 6:17:56 AM

oh, and @ your edit. According to Tom's card hierarchy, which is in all the "best cards of ___" articles, the x800xt is on par with the HD2600xt, so you won't see much of a difference, if at all, in performance.
June 3, 2008 6:26:46 AM

thanks

..yeah i was looking more for a performance upgrade, not really the visuals


ps


whats a e2160?

i'm slow on the lingo

i'm guessing it's an intel

ps...any recommendations geared towards gaming and performance/budget
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2008 6:30:27 AM

Somewhere on this site is a great 500 dollar gaming rig setup article. mybe not right away but as you near end game i'd look into that.

BTW how is conan as far as penalties are concerned? do yo lose xp if you die? does your armor degrade? do you drop items or anything like that? I really enjoyed wow cuz it allowed you to play around w/o being penalized. if conan offers a similiar forgiving expierence i'd like to give it a shot.
June 3, 2008 6:34:39 AM

yeah i saw that article ...pretty cool , i'll probably follow that

and getting a new computer isn't totally out of the question ..just wanted to see if i can make this system perform better before i went all out

edit:

no xp lost if you die, armor doesnt have durability, no items drop from you ...only thing really is you leave a tombstone where you died and you spawn at a graveyard ...you get a 30min debuff that lowers ur stats...u lose the debuff if you go back and click on ur tombstone

edit edit:

oh ..and i'm gonna stick it out with this card for a little bit ...age of conan's engine has some problems with ati cards ..and alot of ppl are doing tests and reporting that the game is only using at max like 40-50% of the GPU

..so hopefully this problem is true and is fixed soon and i see a performance increase
June 3, 2008 6:39:43 AM

crizzletin said:
thanks

..yeah i was looking more for a performance upgrade, not really the visuals


ps


whats a e2160?

i'm slow on the lingo

i'm guessing it's an intel

ps...any recommendations geared towards gaming and performance/budget



It's a budget intel processor. You can get them really cheap - like 80 bucks. You can overclock them to be fast as hell. I read about one guy getting 3.6ghz on 100% stock hsf. but even at the stock speed, it'll be ages ahead of your CPU. You could always spend a little bit more and get an e7xxx or an e4xxx, but that's up to you.
June 3, 2008 6:56:54 AM

so what would i be upgrading?

Motherboard
CPU
Graphics Card



I can re-use my ram, HDD, PSU , and all other things right?
June 3, 2008 5:08:02 PM

You'd new new ram too, but you can get a couple gigs of PC800 ddr2 for 40 bucks.
a c 130 U Graphics card
June 3, 2008 7:32:00 PM


You could look at swapping your old Motherboard out for this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... It will use all your old ram and drives etc, you will need a cheap core 2 like the one that was suggested. It gives you a path into PCIE cards but the PCIE slot on it will only run at X4 so you need to consider if that will be a problem to you. It should let you get a cheaper card in PCIE flavour but im not sure if the performance of say a 3850 will be to badly restricted by the X4 slot.
I will look in to it an dget back to you.
Mactronix
June 3, 2008 7:50:30 PM

I believe the RAM is the major bottleneck. Buy a decent and cheap motherboard that has socket 775:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then buy this CPU and CPU cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Buy this GPU (optional):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thats $210 or $340 with the GPU and suddenly you have a kickass computer congratulations!
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