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Anything to look at between a 8600GT & 8800GT?

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June 3, 2008 6:54:56 PM

On a budget, I don't game that much, but want to be able to play Bio-Shock, and some of the Need for Speed series games....

I'm thinking of getting a AMD 5600+ or 6000+ setup, and wanted a decent video card. I want a 8800GT card, from all the reviews I read.....but it really blows my budget.

8800GT card comes with 100$ more price tag over the 8600GT, and likely requires a much larger PS.




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a c 358 U Graphics card
June 3, 2008 6:59:13 PM

In between the 8600GT and the 8800GT are the folllowing from slowest to fastest:

8600GTS
8800GS
9600GT
June 3, 2008 7:05:33 PM

what resolution do you want to play it in
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June 3, 2008 7:08:00 PM

I have a 19" 1280x1024 max, but having a pixel problem so it may get replaced with some sort of widescreen model....20" perhaps?
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2008 7:15:26 PM

On the 8600GT make sure you're pricing the one with DDR3 memory, the DDR2 ones run much slower. With the ATI4850 due out in 2 weeks i think the graphic card sector is going to be shaken up a bit. I just don't know which way it'll be shaken though............ probably worth the time to wait a couple weeks and see how things are settling out pricewise.
June 3, 2008 7:18:53 PM

the xfx is better than the asus one because it doesn't come with a preinstalled aftermarket cooler which i wouldn't want asus to put on for me.
the xfx has free cod4 and has instant savings not mail and rebate.

the only thing that is better in the asus is the 512 mb, better than the 256mb on the xfx.

the asus isn't worth all the cons that come with it
June 3, 2008 7:30:40 PM

I like the looks of the XFS.....I should dig around newegg a bit more I am thinking.......
June 3, 2008 7:44:00 PM

Don't get a card with 256 MB.
June 3, 2008 7:56:28 PM

my only other quick concern is compatibility with Via Chipsets.....is this something I need worry about with a PCI 2.0 card? I read a negative review on newegg, so now worried on MB selection.....
June 3, 2008 8:01:51 PM

the 8600 GT is just garbage even for current gen games. I have it for like a day, and returned it for a 9600 GT.

In Unreal 3 I got around 30 frames with it while with the 9600 GT I get 70+ both resolutions at 1280x1024.

And not that it really matters but the 8600 GT, when I ran 3dmark06, it looked like it was stressing out. It didn't even manage to get 30 fps in mos tparts.

While the 9600 GT maintained a 40+ for the most.

Either way, I wouldn't recommend the 8600 GT, very overpriced compared to cards, such as th 8800 GS (ALOT better) which could be found for about 100$.

if I could recommend a midrange card, I would recommend a 9600 GT, since if you choose to replace it in a couple of months your wallet won't hurt that much and it can take the higher resolution fine.

My secondary computer has a 9600 GT in it, and a cheap 1 gig stick ram (533 mhz)

and a 5000+ BE and I can play unreal 3 at 1080p, Hl2, COD4

Etc.

PS

power consumption isn't as high as you'd think with the G92 and G94 cards:)  and your mobo should be fine, the 9600 GT is runnning on a old Asus Mobo, nforce 570
June 3, 2008 8:03:32 PM

umm 8800gs and the 9600gso are the same card, the 9600gt isn't much faster than the 8800gs in the long run u are better off going with the 8800gs/9600gso b/c as time goes on the amount of shader processors is what is going to allow ur card to have better longevity...

very simply saying one of the single most important aspects of the gpu is the amount of shader processors/ stream processors,

9600gt has only 64 where as the 9600gso/8800gs has 96.

go with the latter b/c the performance is on par with the 9600gt and it will last you longer.

I am not trying to say that TMU's, ROP's, memory type, frequency, and bandwidth aren't important among other specifications, but am trying to tell you that if you want the best bang for your buck ignore the 9600gt and just grab a good 9600gso or the 8800gs, especially if you play on lower resolutions, like anything lower than 1280x1024. even a little higher will still be more than acceptable.
June 3, 2008 8:05:55 PM

he stated he's going maybe 20" and or replacing monitors, since his has Dead pixels:p 
June 3, 2008 8:14:59 PM

L1qu1d said:
the 8600 GT is just garbage even for current gen games. I have it for like a day, and returned it for a 9600 GT.

In Unreal 3 I got around 30 frames with it while with the 9600 GT I get 70+ both resolutions at 1280x1024.

And not that it really matters but the 8600 GT, when I ran 3dmark06, it looked like it was stressing out. It didn't even manage to get 30 fps in mos tparts.

While the 9600 GT maintained a 40+ for the most.

Either way, I wouldn't recommend the 8600 GT, very overpriced compared to cards, such as th 8800 GS (ALOT better) which could be found for about 100$.

if I could recommend a midrange card, I would recommend a 9600 GT, since if you choose to replace it in a couple of months your wallet won't hurt that much and it can take the higher resolution fine.

My secondary computer has a 9600 GT in it, and a cheap 1 gig stick ram (533 mhz)

and a 5000+ BE and I can play unreal 3 at 1080p, Hl2, COD4

Etc.

PS

power consumption isn't as high as you'd think with the G92 and G94 cards:)  and your mobo should be fine, the 9600 GT is runnning on a old Asus Mobo, nforce 570


I had a 8600gts. While not the speediest card it played Unreal Tournament fine @ 1280x1024 no AA just fine. Averaging more than 60fps. A 8600gt will give you at least 50fps average.

Call of Duty 4 played fine too. Averaging 50fps. Of course no AA.

Games like bioshock was very slow on the 8600gts. Max quality of 25-30fps average which is playable but jerky.

To OP: I suggest a 8800gs for modern gaming. Not much more than 8600gts but 2x the performance sometimes more.

Newegg Call of duty special is officially over. You are better off getting the EVGA card with a variable fan and faster memory now for same price as the XFX one after rebate. I got my rebate in 6 weeks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 3, 2008 8:20:35 PM

gregbob said:
if thats the resolution you want to play it in 8600gt will be enough but not the best if you go any higher i reccomend a 8800gt

here is one that is cheap and it is better than the 8600 gt

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E168...


This is probably the worst advice you can give to someone.
June 3, 2008 8:21:49 PM

A+^
June 3, 2008 8:24:37 PM

FrozenGpu said:
umm 8800gs and the 9600gso are the same card, the 9600gt isn't much faster than the 8800gs in the long run u are better off going with the 8800gs/9600gso b/c as time goes on the amount of shader processors is what is going to allow ur card to have better longevity...

very simply saying one of the single most important aspects of the gpu is the amount of shader processors/ stream processors,

9600gt has only 64 where as the 9600gso/8800gs has 96.

go with the latter b/c the performance is on par with the 9600gt and it will last you longer.

I am not trying to say that TMU's, ROP's, memory type, frequency, and bandwidth aren't important among other specifications, but am trying to tell you that if you want the best bang for your buck ignore the 9600gt and just grab a good 9600gso or the 8800gs, especially if you play on lower resolutions, like anything lower than 1280x1024. even a little higher will still be more than acceptable.


Exactly. The performance difference is insignificant in current crop of games. 10% lose here and 5% win there. In the long haul 8800gs is at a dominant position with 96SP and more GFLOPs per $$$.
June 3, 2008 8:26:34 PM

I am thinking I should just bite the bullet, and get a 8800GT 512 card. Everyone seems to like this card, it performs well.....and a savings of 30-40$ now on a cheaper card will just make me upgrade sooner I am guessing.....

Any truth to video compatibility issues with Via chipsets? I am doing a build from this shop link: http://www.computerlx.com/config.aspx?t=&product_ID=734

I have this configured for 358$ shipped:

# AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor 6000+* (3GHz) AM2 SYS
# AMD SOCKET AM2 STANDARD COOLING FAN
# Asus M2V-MX SE Socket AM2/ VIA K8M890/ DDR2/ PCIE/ A&V&L/ MATX Motherboard
# SUPER TALENT 2GB DDR-2 800MHZ PC-6400 (2X 1GB)
# Western Digital WD1600JS 160GB SATA2 7200rpm 8MB Hard Drive (DAILY SPECIAL)
# ONBOARD DELTA CHROME 256MB VIDEO
# 6-CHANNEL DIGITAL SOUND ONBOARD
# 10/100 ETHERNET ONBOARD
# BCC VOYAGER MID-TOWER ATX
# OKIA A-POWER 600 WATT ATX POWER SUPPLY
# FED-EX GROUND SHIPPING "INCLUDED $25" (1-7 BUSINESS DAYS)

I'm sure to get some crap about the PS, but they offer a 3 year warranty on stuff they build...so hopefully it should do fine.

June 3, 2008 8:34:04 PM

Are you buiding new? Why not go intel?

I stay away from VIA like the plague
June 3, 2008 8:36:32 PM

marvelous2 11 he said he wanted budget and all he wanted to play was bioshock. at that reolution 1280x1024 the card i gave the link to will be a good budget card that can play bioshock. it will also be able to play it if he upgrades the monitor and ups the resoulution. true it wont run as fast when he upgrades the monitor but it will be fine and it wont be breaking the budget
June 3, 2008 8:38:06 PM

marvelous211 said:
Are you buiding new? Why not go intel?

I stay away from VIA like the plague


Yes building new....I would prefer the Intel 3.0Ghz dual core, but it runs about 100$ more for the system build.

Yes, I know it can be overclocked, but I got a low budget right now, trying to replace my current unstable P4 2.8 setup.

And now my monitor is dying a harsh, pixelating death....check this out. It used to be retained to the taskbar, now it is 'growing' up into the screen area.....I will never buy a I-INC monitor again....



a c 193 U Graphics card
June 3, 2008 8:42:07 PM

^+1 @Marvelous. VIA is on my personal "Do not buy" list for notably inferior performance.
June 3, 2008 8:51:17 PM

y2kgtp said:
Yes building new....I would prefer the Intel 3.0Ghz dual core, but it runs about 100$ more for the system build.

Yes, I know it can be overclocked, but I got a low budget right now, trying to replace my current unstable P4 2.8 setup.

And now my monitor is dying a harsh, pixelating death....check this out. It used to be retained to the taskbar, now it is 'growing' up into the screen area.....I will never buy a I-INC monitor again....

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/900/s6302880smallnq2.jpg


y2kgtp said:
Yes building new....I would prefer the Intel 3.0Ghz dual core, but it runs about 100$ more for the system build.

Yes, I know it can be overclocked, but I got a low budget right now, trying to replace my current unstable P4 2.8 setup.

And now my monitor is dying a harsh, pixelating death....check this out. It used to be retained to the taskbar, now it is 'growing' up into the screen area.....I will never buy a I-INC monitor again....

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/900/s6302880smallnq2.jpg


Why not try some overclocking? Core 2 duo loves to overclock over 1ghz or more. You can get a bottom of the barrel E series and still out perform the overclocked AMD 6000+.

This would outperform a 6000+ on stock.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get a good brand Intel chipset and you will over clock near 4 ghz.

If you are on a budget you can get a entry level performance at stock but once overclocked to 3 ghz it can hang with AMD 6000+.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

when you need more processing power or games start to take advantage of quad cores you can get a penryn when price drops.
June 3, 2008 8:53:09 PM

gregbob said:
marvelous2 11 he said he wanted budget and all he wanted to play was bioshock. at that reolution 1280x1024 the card i gave the link to will be a good budget card that can play bioshock. it will also be able to play it if he upgrades the monitor and ups the resoulution. true it wont run as fast when he upgrades the monitor but it will be fine and it wont be breaking the budget


Even at 1280x1024 it is limiting with only 256mb of vram with any kind of AA. Try bioshock with AA and you are going to texture thrash.
June 3, 2008 8:53:39 PM

Go with the 880GT. Consider a 5000+BE in place of the 6000+ (it can run at 3.0-3.1GHz on stock voltage and it's less expensive). Also, consider an AMD or Nvidia based motherboard (rather than the Via MB). You'll be happier with one of those (and you get an SATAII instead of SATA Hdisk controller).
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2008 8:54:35 PM

I'll just say DO NOT buy a 256MB video card. And if you get anything, I'd personally get an 8800GT or 8800 GTS (G92) if you can afford them. The G92 chipsets out perform the original 8800 series with the G80 chipsets.
June 3, 2008 9:46:57 PM

# Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 3GHz 1333MHz 4MB LGA775 CPU
# INTEL STANDARD PROCESSOR COOLING FAN
# ASRock ConRoe1333-D667 R1.0 Core 2 Duo/ 945GC/ DDR2/ A&V&L/ MATX
# SUPER TALENT 2GB DDR-2 800MHZ PC-6400 (2X 1GB)
# Western Digital WD1600JS 160GB SATA2 7200rpm 8MB Hard Drive (DAILY SPECIAL)
# INTEL 224MB ONBOARD VIDEO
# 6-CHANNEL DIGITAL SOUND ONBOARD
# 10/100 ETHERNET ONBOARD
# BCC VOYAGER MID-TOWER ATX
# OKIA A-POWER 600 WATT ATX POWER SUPPLY
# FED-EX GROUND SHIPPING "INCLUDED $25" (1-7 BUSINESS DAYS)

Ok...this is 437$ shipped. about 80$ more than the AMD 6000+, and I prob can overclock a bit if I want, and the board supports Core 2 Extreme for the future...I guess that is a good point.

+ a 8800 GT card and I should be in the 500s......not too bad still....
June 3, 2008 9:59:32 PM

I prob should do a thread over in builds....as I'm pretty much decided to go to a 8800GT......
June 4, 2008 12:15:09 AM

You shouldn't go over board on the processor since games aren't really limited to processor. You can also overclock. E6850 is the old cores based on 65nm. I would grab E8400 over E6850.

Why ASrock mobo that doesn't do overclocking and old chipset? P35 board is the only way to go if you are limited on funds. Asus makes the best mobo's around and Gigabyte seems to do well also. That asrock has no upgrade path whatsoever. Mobo is backbone of your computer. You shouldn't skimp on a good mobo with good upgrade path. Processor can always be swapped later so you can get el cheapo ones and still perform relatively fast in games since games are really limited GPU.

I don't know if you are in the USA if you are... Here's my recommendations.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wolfdale. Lot of people seem to get these suckers running near 4 ghz..
$131.99 free ship

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-P35-S3G (no B.S cheap overclocking P35 board) You can slap in quad core Penryn later.
$74.99
3 Business Day Shipping $7.59

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$59.99 free ship
250gb is the least you should do. Games are now in the 6-10gb range. It feels up rather quickly if you watch movies also.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Transcend JETRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2
$42.99
3 Business Day Shipping $5.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$139.99
3 Business Day Shipping $18.99


Antec Sonata Designer 500 comes with Antec 500 Watt EarthWatts power supply. The case is good and it comes with a quality power supply.

Total = $482.52 shipped.

If you are on a budget. Take out the E7200 for one of these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
E2180 King of budget processors that can do 3.0ghz easily. $69.99 free ship

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is the other Antec Case with the same 500 watt power supply. Sonata3...
$129.95 + $12.99 ship.

$404.48 shipped with this processor and case.
June 4, 2008 2:41:59 AM

listen to the red-haired Mage for surely he will lead you to victory!
June 4, 2008 4:05:23 AM

marvelous211 said:
You shouldn't go over board on the processor since games aren't really limited to processor. You can also overclock. E6850 is the old cores based on 65nm. I would grab E8400 over E6850.

Why ASrock mobo that doesn't do overclocking and old chipset? P35 board is the only way to go if you are limited on funds. Asus makes the best mobo's around and Gigabyte seems to do well also. That asrock has no upgrade path whatsoever. Mobo is backbone of your computer. You shouldn't skimp on a good mobo with good upgrade path. Processor can always be swapped later so you can get el cheapo ones and still perform relatively fast in games since games are really limited GPU.

I don't know if you are in the USA if you are... Here's my recommendations.

$404.48 shipped with this processor and case.


Yeap, I am in the Chicago burbs area.....

I appreciate you taking the time to go threw this, I am seriously looking at this configuration right now. I just might do a different case, and a smaller drive perhaps, but if the cost is not much, will just leave it alone. I already have a WD external 500GB USB 2.0, and an older 120GB EIDE I was going to thow in here as well just as a backup\data drive as well.

I would like to make sure I can upgrade in the future, and the ability to swap out a dual core for a quad is ideal.

June 4, 2008 4:19:06 AM

I like everything, but the case\PS....anything from newegg with some Blue LED? I work from home, and usually keep my office dark, and like the look of it....

I have the MB\Drive\processor & memory sitting in my cart at only $309 so far....

Picked this for video

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ok?

June 4, 2008 7:55:15 AM

marvelous211 said:
Are you buiding new? Why not go intel?

I stay away from VIA like the plague


My advice is stay away from Intel and go AMD total platform. The chipsets are great, ATI has great GPU's and even the Phenom dog will have it's day as more games support quad cores.

A Gigabyte 780G board and an 8750 triple core is a good budget solution. Add in a 4850 that will be available soon (or a cheaper 3870) and you have a decent rig for mainstream gaming at 1280 x 1024.

I do agree with staying away from Via chipsets. IMHO, Nvidia and Via deserve each other. :lol: 

I have a Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H that I want to put an 8750 in so I won't be CPU limited with my 3870x2, but since I can't afford the CPU right now, I haven't decided whether to switch the 4600+ over or just wait.

Intel's perfectly fine, as is Nvidia, but IMHO AMD chipsets and ATI cards with AVIVO plus decent gaming make the deal for me. I do like sniping at Nvidia ever since Huang went on his rants against both AMD and Intel.
June 4, 2008 12:34:55 PM

Phenom? AMD chipsets? You got to be kidding me?

AMD or Nvidia chipsets are about same. They are junk compared to Intel. So sorry.

Although phenom is decent it's relatively low clocks and power consumption hurts sales compared to Intel. You might want to see how phenom compete with Intel's equivalent in gaming. Intel's conroe and penryn is just better performer and they are better chipset makers than AMD or Nvidia.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14756/5
June 4, 2008 12:42:49 PM

y2kgtp said:
I like everything, but the case\PS....anything from newegg with some Blue LED? I work from home, and usually keep my office dark, and like the look of it....

I have the MB\Drive\processor & memory sitting in my cart at only $309 so far....

Picked this for video

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ok?


Yeah that's the cheapest 8800gt available. Asus are very good about their warranty as well.

Antec makes very nice cases. Those neon blue light cheap special with cheap power supplies is not the way to go. Decent power supply alone cost $80-$100 which makes Antec a real value.
June 4, 2008 12:48:39 PM

marvelous211 said:
Yeah that's the cheapest 8800gt available. Asus are very good about their warranty as well.

Antec makes very nice cases. Those neon blue light cheap special with cheap power supplies is not the way to go. Decent power supply alone cost $80-$100 which makes Antec a real value.


Ok ok..... :D 

Anything in the Antec line with a 500w PS or greater then ok? And what would be a good PS to pick if I do want a Blue Light Special? (for some reason I just like Blue lights lol)

And it appears I also need a CPU Fan\Cooler.......

And......I'm also trying to decide on a 20 > 22" LCD around 200$


Damn, this is blowing my 'budget' build......I want to do this all threw newegg now, as they have the 'bill me later' so I can pay off the excess of this
project in the next couple months or so.....
June 4, 2008 1:08:25 PM

Antec, corsair, seasonic, power pc seems to be the good ones. Don't get the Antec basiq. It's a no frills power supply that is usually loud and cheaply made compared to their earthwatts but it does the job if you need something reliable.

You can always use the stock intel fan but I don't think they are great for overclocking and a nice heatsink will pay you dividends in the end which makes your computer quiet and overclock better while keeping it cool. They are about $50 a pop though. Kind of on the expensive side for such devices.

I would get the Tuniq Tower and call it a day. Not the best but it does hang with the top air performers which is thermal right ultra but more expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LCD should be looked at yourself. Eyes of the beholder. You might want to study up on different type of screens.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222
June 4, 2008 1:15:06 PM

marvelous211 said:
Antec, corsair, seasonic, power pc seems to be the good ones. Don't get the Antec basiq. It's a no frills power supply that is usually loud and cheaply made compared to their earthwatts but it does the job if you need a something reliable.

You can always use the stock intel fan but I don't think they are great for overclocking and a nice heatsink will pay you dividends in the end which makes your computer quiet and overclock better while keeping it cool. They are about $50 a pop though. Kind of on the expensive side for such devices.

I would get the Tuniq Tower and call it a day. Not the best but it does hang with the top air performers which is thermal right ultra which is more expensive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LCD should be looked at yourself. Eyes of the beholder. You might want to study up on different type of screens.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222


Thanks...I have the Tuniq in my cart, but did not notice at first that the intel has a fan\heatsink included as well.....

June 4, 2008 3:26:48 PM

Well, 55$ of that 800 is rebates, so I am looking at 750+ shipping, which is not too bad for a system including a 22" widescreen

Damn this gets expensive... lol
June 4, 2008 8:49:59 PM

Grand Total: $858.33



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