GT200 to be in short supply (Fudzilla)

GT200 to be in short supply

Written by Lars-Göran Nilsson
Thursday, 05 June 2008 16:38

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If the information we were told is correct, then Nvidia is having some problems ramping up the production of the GT200 series and this sounds all too familiar when it comes to new Nvidia products.

We’ve heard that even large distributors have a hard time getting more than a handful of cards and that is only if they place large orders of products that Nvidia’s partners have overstock of.

This isn’t the first time this has happened when it comes to Nvidia products and we’re not sure if it’s a deliberate scam to push up prices of these highly sought after cards. With the additional requirements of the distributors having to buy additional cards to get their hands on the new fast cards, we’re really starting to wonder what kind of games Nvidia is playing.

So in other words, if you want one of these new cards when they launch, if you see one for sale, get it, as you won’t get a second chance.

It will be interesting to see if people jump early or wait for the HD48XXs the following week. nVidia luvs to get the jump on DAAMIT but I think they are doing AMD a favor.

When they quick launch, jump AMD, limit supply and drive up prices - AMD can just settle in at their preferred price point. Unless nVidia comes in real cheap (like that will happen - LOL)

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I've said this before but I think people would have to be crazy to buy into GT200 or ATI 4000 unless they've been waiting to upgrade graphics for a long time. There is just nothing out in games right now that needs that kind of tech that is actually worth while!

Reply to ovaltineplease

+1 to last post. It's actually just a single game that has pushed those productions and upgrades at such accelerated rates and it is the mainstream that is going to be profited highly as compared to enthusiasts by the price compression.

Reply to hsetir

Im thinking its more of the fact ATIs competing products needed a newer upgrade, and nVidias been waiting for the 65nm process my 2cents

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Reply to jaydeejohn

I just hope that whatever card I end up with, It will be able to play Far Cry 2.

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Reply to spaztic7

This is probably a "deliberate scam" like the pasted article mentions. The same bullcrap they pulled with the 8800GT, and retailers jacked the priced of them up to $270, some EVGA models were $300, when the card was only suposted to be sub $250.

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Reply to spathotan

its a pricing strategy.i guess you buy it or forget about it when its release.just like all other "Exclusive or Limited Edition" stuff.

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spathotan wrote :

This is probably a "deliberate scam" like the pasted article mentions. The same bullcrap they pulled with the 8800GT, and retailers jacked the priced of them up to $270, some EVGA models were $300, when the card was only suposted to be sub $250.

Given the size and transistor count of the product, it is indeed possible that Nvidia can't get enough fully functioning chips manufactured. It is only logical that bad yields will have an effect on price. The ugly part is, that nvidia will pass that right through to the customer. I doubt that they will reduce their margins to keep the price stable.

Reply to Slobogob

personally I have 2 8800GT's and they run everything just fine I don't see a need for these newest latest greatest cards...there are no games that can use the horse power(maybe Crysis but even then 1 game). If the release of these cards is followed by some huge games with better graphics, maybe they will sell, but I think the average consumer is smart enough to see that this is just a big money grab and not worth their hard earned cash. I won't be buying one of these cards for quite some time, or until I get a game that my cards can't handle in 1920x1200...until then no need for these or the crap 9800 series.

On a side note I hope it drives the price of the 8800 GTX way down so a triple SLI set-up would be in the area of 600.

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jmods wrote :

If the release of these cards is followed by some huge games with better graphics, maybe they will sell, but I think the average consumer is smart enough to see that this is just a big money grab and not worth their hard earned cash.

I would never overestimate the intelligence of the average consumer. Quad core chips have been around for some time now, with very few games that support them at all, yet look how many people have bought them even though they sacrifice some speed. Yes, there are some of us who do need quad core chips, but the percentage is probably pretty low at the moment.

I very much agree that this seems to be little more than a money grab and not worth the cash, unless a person's present card is quite old. All it takes is a look at the 9800 series cards from Nvidia to see how Nvidia is playing a lot of people as fools. The 9800 series is hardly any different performance wise from the 8800 series.

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jmods wrote :

personally I have 2 8800GT's and they run everything just fine I don't see a need for these newest latest greatest cards...there are no games that can use the horse power(maybe Crysis but even then 1 game). If the release of these cards is followed by some huge games with better graphics, maybe they will sell, but I think the average consumer is smart enough to see that this is just a big money grab and not worth their hard earned cash. I won't be buying one of these cards for quite some time, or until I get a game that my cards can't handle in 1920x1200...until then no need for these or the crap 9800 series.

On a side note I hope it drives the price of the 8800 GTX way down so a triple SLI set-up would be in the area of 600.

if you run your game at 1920x with max AA and AF would it still run above 30fps?i doubt it will.if you look at it this way,multi-GPU are not comparable to single GPU in term of both price and performance gain.

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iluvgillgill wrote :

if you run your game at 1920x with max AA and AF would it still run above 30fps?i doubt it will.if you look at it this way,multi-GPU are not comparable to single GPU in term of both price and performance gain.

I agree, I am a single card solution kind of guy. My 8800 GTX gets put through its paces every time I play Oblivion (yeah I have that super texture pack 3 on it.... but still), Crysis, NFS Carbon, DiRT, WiC, and soon to be Assassins Creed. They must all run at 1920x1200 with all turned up. If not… then I go from there, but I want a card that meets my quality levels, not the other way around.

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Reply to spaztic7

Nv will always have a reason for their high prices. Their price/performance ratio always sucks and it is not changing any time soon.
People always buy at launch and Nv is making a small amount to max. their profits.
I believe Ati will have a larger profit margin in the long run, but Nv, being as greedy as they are, are trying to max. their profit now.

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iluvgillgill wrote :

its a pricing strategy.i guess you buy it or forget about it when its release.just like all other "Exclusive or Limited Edition" stuff.

yea pretty much

Nothing says that anyone has to buy it; and any enthusiast is going to research the potential of the new chips and make their decision based on that. Mainstream average computer users aren't going to buy 600$ graphics cards to begin with.

Reply to ovaltineplease

does it make more sense if we call Nvidia directly and buy the graphics card off them?cut out the middle man!!!

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Ge [...] /5815.html

from here we can see the price increase is upto approximately 34% profit.

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iluvgillgill wrote :

does it make more sense if we call Nvidia directly and buy the graphics card off them?cut out the middle man!!!

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Ge [...] /5815.html

from here we can see the price increase is upto approximately 34% profit.

Nvidia doesn't manufacture anything they could sell. They buy manufacturing capacity and sell the chips to other companies that produce the PCBs (made after the reference design) and sell the cards. There is no real middle man. In addition the board makers don't make a huge profit, at least that's what i read.

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Reply to Slobogob

iluvgillgill wrote :

does it make more sense if we call Nvidia directly and buy the graphics card off them?cut out the middle man!!!

Sure, but how are you going to do that?
No nVidia cards for sale only AIBs & OEMs.
AMD still sells Built By ATi cards, but they are really getting out of the business with the only tings available being the mid-range HD2Ks.

Overall the price neither surprises me nor does the lack of availability.
If true it will kinda put to rest the 'They could launch at any time, they just don't have competition' theory people kept saying.

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Slobogob wrote :

In addition the board makers don't make a huge profit, at least that's what i read.

Yep, a few of them are in trouble now, and many of them already went under in the past and needed brankruptcy protection to come back (Gainward, Visiontek, etc)

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

i think its Nvidia and AMD getting the actual profit and force the distrubitor not to make any.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37779/118/

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iluvgillgill wrote :

i think its Nvidia and AMD getting the actual profit and force the distrubitor not to make any.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37779/118/

Funny how when it comes to technology its the manufacturers getting screwed

But when it comes to agriculture its the opposite, producer gets screwed processor gets the $$

Go figure

Reply to ovaltineplease

Its always the sellers that win, not the makers

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Reply to jaydeejohn

I cant repost it, but the 280 doesnt look too good. Watch for it

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Reply to jaydeejohn

OK I'm on the edge of buying...this is another blow to waiting. If they are going to make 1 one these damn things and sell it for $1000 I don't want to buy it. To make the GT280 reasonable is has to single-handedly beat down 2x 9800GTXes. Is that an impossible feat, or is this card really that badass?

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Reply to Waspy

spathotan wrote :

This is probably a "deliberate scam" like the pasted article mentions. The same bullcrap they pulled with the 8800GT, and retailers jacked the priced of them up to $270, some EVGA models were $300, when the card was only suposted to be sub $250.

yes nvidia like to slap there customers in the face do it all the time well every time they release a new driver

Waspy wrote :

OK I'm on the edge of buying...this is another blow to waiting. If they are going to make 1 one these damn things and sell it for $1000 I don't want to buy it. To make the GT280 reasonable is has to single-handedly beat down 2x 9800GTXes. Is that an impossible feat, or is this card really that badass?

uv got to be of ur rocker to buy that crap lets face it there having probs keeping the temps down its like a 2900xt only its from nvidia

Reply to rangers

I think some of the twice as good as the x2 rumors arent rumor. Consider the situations where the x2 does poorly, because its sli. So itll be better, and maybe even double in a few games, but double overall, no

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jaydeejohn wrote :

I cant repost it, but the 280 doesnt look too good. Watch for it

Define not too good?

I have heard that Crysis performance at 2560 x 1600 (Very High ) is more than double the 8800Ultra, basically the Ultra can get between ( 5 -15 fps ) at that res, the GTX 280 is getting between ( 15 - 30 fps ), which is very close to 9800GX2 Quad Sli performance..

All that on a single card!!!!

Doesnt look too good, huh!

Reply to dos1986

I understand what youre saying. But I think some people will be disappointed if the 4870x2 wins out. Ive always said this cards a killer card. And at peak performance, you can expect the heat and power situations. Im trying to put perspective on it here. I was referring to those fuzzy numbers on the graph is all

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jaydeejohn wrote :

I understand what youre saying. But I think some people will be disappointed if the 4870x2 wins out. Ive always said this cards a killer card. And at peak performance, you can expect the heat and power situations. Im trying to put perspective on it here. I was referring to those fuzzy numbers on the graph is all

Radeon HD 4870 X2 is a dual chip ... G280 single ...
Not tooo hard to understand

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Reply to Milos-stancene

Some people are expecting double the x2. Not going to happen. Its priced too high. Itll be hot and draw some juice too. And prices wont come down anytime soon because of yields. People that have used the cards have said theyre not happy with it, thats all Im saying about it

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Milos-stancene wrote :

Radeon HD 4870 X2 is a dual chip ... G280 single ...
Not tooo hard to understand

And more than likely will be cheaper than the GTX280. Going by the pricing from chinese NDA leakers of course, they have the GTX260 at $460 and the GTX280 at $600. The 4870 hits around $270 I believe according to rumors/speculation, so the 4870X2 couldnt be anymore than $500. The prices will probably be the same as they were for the 3870 and 3870X2.

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Milos-stancene wrote :

Radeon HD 4870 X2 is a dual chip ... G280 single ...
Not tooo hard to understand

yes it is a dual chip but the system will see it as one big chip so no crossfire game profile's

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Reply to rangers

rangers wrote :

yes it is a dual chip but the system will see it as one big chip so no crossfire game profile's

As far as I know, nothing was "confirmed" about R700.

The real question whether the communication is like CF of today or if the GPU's themselves communicate with each other, has not been confirmed and will not be confirmed for a while yet ( as im not sure Ati has anything that complex ready for 2009 )

Reply to dos1986

OK, I see it wasnt fair how I ended my last post. This card is going to be good, with all the other things that accompany it, the down side things, like heat whatever. But this will be a great card. Its just not a GTXx2 X 2. As for the 4870, we dont know if itll be seen as one card for sure. The GDDR5 memory and other things are just too new , and there hasnt been anything pro or con to get to the real truth. This is going to be a battle for a No.1 card, at this point, who wins, no one really knows

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Reply to jaydeejohn

its really to early to judge both GTX280 and HD4870(x2).wait for a full review then we can all decide.

im more interested in the Intel and Nvidia licensing business though.i think thats more crucial then the new cards now.what do you think?

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