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June 28, 2008 5:12:55 AM

Ew 140W? At least it has more cache than the 9850? Yeah I'll wait for 45nm thanks.

EDIT: 65nm phenom = the new prescott
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June 28, 2008 5:24:40 AM

140W?

Holy cow! I'm with doomturkey on this one...
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June 28, 2008 5:42:43 AM

any reviews on it? i'm kinda curious to see if there's any benefit to the added cache on this architecture.
June 28, 2008 5:46:30 AM

doomturkey said:
Ew 140W? At least it has more cache than the 9850? Yeah I'll wait for 45nm thanks.


It looks like they just added the L2 and L3 cache together to get the 4MB ((512KB X 4) + 2MB).

AMD really should have waited for 45nm before they increased the clock speed any more. Unless they want to change their Phenom slogan to "All in one processor and spaceheater!"
June 28, 2008 5:55:43 AM

At the price it doesn't sound like a very good deal to me o.O
June 28, 2008 6:47:13 AM

turboflame said:
It looks like they just added the L2 and L3 cache together to get the 4MB ((512KB X 4) + 2MB).

Makes sense to me.

I love AMD but the 65nm phenoms just suck... in terms of power consumption/overclockability. Otherwise, they are clock for clock the same as the core 2 quads, give or take 5%. Gotta love the native quad core though, great for servers! I contemplated getting a phenom 9850 for my build this summer, but seeing the poor power consumption and overclockability is making me lean towards getting an X2 5000 BE (OCing as high as it will go), and using that until 45nm is out. That is, assuming the 45nm are any good. Hopefully they will be with extra cache, less power consumption, perhaps more stability beyond speeds of 3ghz? Whats lame is nehalem is due out when 45nm is due...

AMD get your **** together. The 48xx gfx cards effing pwn, now crank out something equally as spectacular in the CPU arena! For the sake of competition.
June 28, 2008 7:14:57 AM

they should just seriously take the hd4870 core, pack it in a dual core version, and then code it in x86
June 28, 2008 5:45:05 PM

I posted that just as a FYI type thing. Honestly, I am going to go with an AMD build this Summer when the new 790FX boards come out with the SB750. I was able to get a 95watt TDP Phenom 9750 and I'm going with that for now. I'm more interested in the AMD platforms future upgradability with the 45nm AM3 processors that will come out later next year. I think that buying Intel will mean you have to get a new board with the nehalem.

140 watt TDP is pretty crazy especially for a Black Edition CPU which is meant to be overclocked. I know some of the Intel Extreme Editions QX9770 cpu have 136 TDP, but this might be a record for X86 CPU's.
June 28, 2008 6:01:36 PM

The problem is when Someone buys a mainstream CPU they'll probably also want a mainstream Motherboard. When it came down my decision between a 9850 and Q6600, all P35 motherboards I checked supported the Q6600. As the Phenom 9850 likes to suck power, some Budget motherboards don't support it. I calculator that a Phenom system would of been more expensive because of a more pricey motherboard.
June 28, 2008 6:42:34 PM

You are correct that there are fewer boards that support 140 TDP, but 125 watts support is pretty common. There are lots of $100 boards that support the 125w TDP Phenoms and the 125w TDP Athlon X2. Those boards will also support future AM3 processors.

If you want to compare apples to apples: a 780i board is about $250 and a 780a board is about $250.

The P35 boards will not support the next generation Intel platform. So, in 6 months, it will be time to pony up for a new LGA1366 board.

June 28, 2008 7:13:04 PM

Instead of the "real" quad core, AMD should've just stringed together two x2 duals for better performance per ghz. :na: 
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June 28, 2008 11:11:01 PM

I think this is the 'preemptive' shot before the 790gx rolls out in July.

If the rumahs on the internets are true the 9950BE will become a 3GHz quad core at stock cpu 200MHz clock with the 790gx and sb750.

If that is the case I would guess the price would go up from $300 (regardless of the 140w) because performance will be in the Q9450-Q9550 range.
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June 28, 2008 11:16:42 PM

I doubt that it will match a 9550, even at 3GHz. 9450, maybe. I hope it surprises me though, as more competition is always a good thing.
June 28, 2008 11:46:18 PM

Hard to swallow at 300.
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June 29, 2008 12:17:09 AM

cjl said:
I doubt that it will match a 9550, even at 3GHz. 9450, maybe. I hope it surprises me though, as more competition is always a good thing.


I think it depends on 2 things: 1) Memory divisor allows (close to) 1066MHz speed; and 2) HT speed runs spec 3,600 M/Ts (or higher).

Okay, three things ... the rumahs have to be true :lol: 

IF the rumahs are true .... with a clock speed 30% faster than the Phenom 9600 (I understand a 100% linear scaling is unlikely) ...

3D Studio Max 9
Dragon_Character_rig (Rendering 1920x1080 Single)


QX9650 = 35 sec
9950BE = 38 sec
QX6800 = 39 sec
Phenom 9600 = 54 sec

Mainconcept H.264 Encoder
24 sec HDTV 1920x1080 mpeg2 (mpeg2 to H.264)


9950BE = 46 sec
QX9650 = 51 sec
QX6800 = 58 sec
Phenom 9600 = 65 sec

Premiere Pro 2.0
MPEG2 (24 Sec. HDTV 1920 x 1080) to (WMV9 (1920 x 1080))


9950BE = 115 sec
QX9650 = 128 sec
QX6800 = 135 sec
Phenom 9600 = 164 sec


That would be impressive.

Tom's cpu charts only had the ram speed at 766MHz - increasing memory speed 33%, clock speed 30% and HT ??% - might be a little competition if it all comes together
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June 29, 2008 5:50:28 AM

sslusser said:
I posted that just as a FYI type thing. Honestly, I am going to go with an AMD build this Summer when the new 790FX boards come out with the SB750. I was able to get a 95watt TDP Phenom 9750 and I'm going with that for now. I'm more interested in the AMD platforms future upgradability with the 45nm AM3 processors that will come out later next year. I think that buying Intel will mean you have to get a new board with the nehalem.

140 watt TDP is pretty crazy especially for a Black Edition CPU which is meant to be overclocked. I know some of the Intel Extreme Editions QX9770 cpu have 136 TDP, but this might be a record for X86 CPU's.



Funny thing is that the 136TDP for the QX9770 is the max where as the 140wTDP for the Phenom is really the average. AMD decided that a ADP was a better judgement. And the QX9650 gets nowhere near its 130W TDP untill its OC'ed to 3.8-4GHz.

Yes you are right that buying Intel now means for Nehalem you will need a new mobo. But I am the kind of person who would rather buy a new mobo in 2 years to enjoy all the new stuff it can do such as SATA3 and any other new enhancements that come.

As for the price. $300 bucks when a Q6600 is $200 now and can be OCed on any P35 mobo with no special SB or high end mobo needed. That extra $100 bucks could gelp you get 24850s instead of just one and have a better high res gaming platform.
June 29, 2008 2:42:25 PM

Well, a q6600 running at the typical 3.6ghz outperform the 9950 easily enough, and at $189.99, it's certainly better bang for the buck. The claim that 9950 can oc to 3.6ghz is highly questionable. And even if counting in that oc, you can always push q6600 to 4ghz like many do.
June 29, 2008 11:14:15 PM

I'm sorry but 140w sound like a rushed job on yanking there next phenom out the door , we all no that heat is the killer and I think its the wrong way to go for AMD , even if it ran at 3.0MHz 140w's is the wrong direction , BIG mistake for AMD on this one !!!
June 30, 2008 12:42:51 AM

Ogdin said:
Hard to swallow at 300.



ahh but if c2d had never come this would be their $2300 fx edition super delux.

140w= FAIL
June 30, 2008 4:47:16 PM

jimmysmitty said:
Funny thing is that the 136TDP for the QX9770 is the max where as the 140wTDP for the Phenom is really the average. AMD decided that a ADP was a better judgement. And the QX9650 gets nowhere near its 130W TDP untill its OC'ed to 3.8-4GHz.

Yes you are right that buying Intel now means for Nehalem you will need a new mobo. But I am the kind of person who would rather buy a new mobo in 2 years to enjoy all the new stuff it can do such as SATA3 and any other new enhancements that come.

As for the price. $300 bucks when a Q6600 is $200 now and can be OCed on any P35 mobo with no special SB or high end mobo needed. That extra $100 bucks could gelp you get 24850s instead of just one and have a better high res gaming platform.



The 140w 9950 isn't really all that practical. I think it would have been better for AMD to just wait a month or two more and make their next release a 45nm CPU. I really think its more a science project for those with $300 to burn or more likely burn up. The good news is this CPU's availability hopefully will push the other Phenom prices downward.

Actually, I was able to get a retail 95w 9750 Phenoms for $185. I think this is the best AMD CPU going right now.

But, I'm really buying into the whole "platform" idea that AMD has going. It just makes a lot of sense to me. I reuse parts all the time and I really like AMD's commitment to backward compatibility. I think its pretty cool that someone can keep a 2P server, AM2 desktop, etc around for 2 or 3 years with a very small investment to keep it running at a modern speed.

July 1, 2008 12:17:07 AM

sslusser said:
The 140w 9950 isn't really all that practical. I think it would have been better for AMD to just wait a month or two more and make their next release a 45nm CPU. I really think its more a science project for those with $300 to burn or more likely burn up. The good news is this CPU's availability hopefully will push the other Phenom prices downward.

Actually, I was able to get a retail 95w 9750 Phenoms for $185. I think this is the best AMD CPU going right now.

But, I'm really buying into the whole "platform" idea that AMD has going. It just makes a lot of sense to me. I reuse parts all the time and I really like AMD's commitment to backward compatibility. I think its pretty cool that someone can keep a 2P server, AM2 desktop, etc around for 2 or 3 years with a very small investment to keep it running at a modern speed.




+1
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July 1, 2008 6:49:31 PM

sslusser said:
The 140w 9950 isn't really all that practical. I think it would have been better for AMD to just wait a month or two more and make their next release a 45nm CPU. I really think its more a science project for those with $300 to burn or more likely burn up. The good news is this CPU's availability hopefully will push the other Phenom prices downward.

Actually, I was able to get a retail 95w 9750 Phenoms for $185. I think this is the best AMD CPU going right now.

But, I'm really buying into the whole "platform" idea that AMD has going. It just makes a lot of sense to me. I reuse parts all the time and I really like AMD's commitment to backward compatibility. I think its pretty cool that someone can keep a 2P server, AM2 desktop, etc around for 2 or 3 years with a very small investment to keep it running at a modern speed.


I agree. But thats the only thing. The new CPU will be vastly limited to what it can do since the older mobo will not support the new features. Its great cuz you can give it a little speed boost to a dying machine but just in my personal opinion I prefer to be able to take advantage of newer technologies when I build a new rig. Besides I give my fiance my old machine as the stuff she does is not as intense as what I do.
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July 1, 2008 8:11:51 PM

Woot....1.55v....wounder what the TDP of that is...
July 1, 2008 8:33:52 PM

There are test where they get 9950 to run 3.0-3.1GHz with stock 1.3v. Not too bad!
It still eats too much power, but now AMD seems to be able to put the more speed on it's products! So they have made some good tweaks to their CPU's. So this is promising at least.
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July 1, 2008 10:43:19 PM

Was just looking at this over at Anand - apparently, they managed to fry a couple of motherboards from too much power draw. They even compared it to Netburst. Still looks like AMD doesn't have anything that can really compete with the newer quads.

Maybe once they go 45...
July 1, 2008 11:29:07 PM

cjl said:
Was just looking at this over at Anand - apparently, they managed to fry a couple of motherboards - too much power draw. They even compared it to Netburst. Still looks like AMD doesn't have anything that can really compete with the newer quads.

Maybe once they go 45...



I will quote and correct myself:

"I really think its more a science project for those with $235 to burn or more likely burn up. "
July 2, 2008 4:20:48 AM

doomturkey said:
Ew 140W? At least it has more cache than the 9850? Yeah I'll wait for 45nm thanks.

EDIT: 65nm phenom = the new prescott


That is my opinion on this. Frankly, AMD is just trying to get a few benchies that don't look horrible, but it's not worth it. CPU's like this are designed to just milk fans.

Sort of like the GTX280 from Nvidia.... :lol: 

Though I have a spare 780G Gigabyte board, I haven't decided what to put in it. Only the 8750 looks good to me. I might just wait till Deneb, then transfer the X2 4600+ long enough to flash the bios.

Or I might just put an 8750 in this fall and get a new board for Deneb. At any rate, there is no reason to go 9950 right now, and the 65 watt Phenom's @ 1.8 or 2.0 are still outshone by 9550's or 8750's in that price range.

These are CPU releases that should not have been. They should be getting Deneb out the door faster and not worry about a BE @ 2.6 stock that's the new Prescott, even before being overclocked to a measly 3.0.
July 2, 2008 7:01:17 AM

Any rumor if there will be a 45NM version of this?
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July 2, 2008 7:22:32 AM

I would imagine so. The bigger question in my mind is when will anything 45nm show up from AMD. If they can get those out this year in reasonable volume, they could actually be reasonably competitive with more than just the absolute bottom end from intel. It would have to be before Nehalem ships in mainstream volume next year though.
July 2, 2008 9:08:02 AM

sslusser said:
The 140w 9950 isn't really all that practical. I think it would have been better for AMD to just wait a month or two more and make their next release a 45nm CPU. I really think its more a science project for those with $300 to burn or more likely burn up. The good news is this CPU's availability hopefully will push the other Phenom prices downward.


To me it sounds more like they won't hit the deadline with their 45nm shrink and the 9950 is a stop gap measure until they manage to go 45nm.
July 2, 2008 9:40:56 AM

AMD is "small" company compared to Intel... there may be some difficulties in that 45nm transfer. It's guite possible, that in the beginning these 65nm part are quicker than those new 45nm parts. Eventually they are gonna be better, just like 90nm to 65 nm transfer. It only allowed better price at the beginning to AMD.
Ofcource I hope that they will be fast from the beginning, but as I said, AMD does not have so much resources to tinker the proses perfect in the beginning.
July 2, 2008 9:53:25 AM

there is not too much different between 9850 and 9950 , and 9950 price is 300$, so i think wait for next one
July 2, 2008 10:25:31 AM

Maybe, but they managed to overclock 9950 to 3.6GHz, something that 9850 is not even near?
But yeah, if you are not in hurry, you can wait new version. The power comsumption of these is not actually very good thing to have. The Intell definitely have an edge with their power leak controll at this moment.
July 2, 2008 7:54:40 PM

sslusser said:
This is some good news for people that buy into the AMD world.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&ta...


A working chip??? That would be nice, but...

Well let's be optimistic. This can be good upgrade to AM2+ owners.
I am looking more real AM3 versions. I have good ole 939 mother board, so this would allow me to make jump from DDR to DDR3. It just seems to be so that Intel will still offer better bang for the buck, but if the difference is not too big, I might do it even I have in past have had CPU's from both companies depending on power balance.
July 3, 2008 2:42:03 AM

hannibal said:
A working chip??? That would be nice, but...

Well let's be optimistic. This can be good upgrade to AM2+ owners.


I just wish I knew when I could buy a Deneb. I really want to go Phenom in September when I can afford the CPU and DDR2 1066, but if Deneb and DDR3 arrives in December, then I'd be wasting money buying at the end of 65nm's lifecycle.

AMD's CPU division is really reminding me of Nvidia. New products with new numbers in the names, but not much in the way of new performance or thermals.

IMHO, AMD should not have bothered with 65nm Phenom and stuck with Athlon X2's and the low end until 45nm (hopefully) makes Phenom worth something.


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