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I heard it has to do with the motherboard's BIOs, so, here's mine:


GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128377

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I'm not sure you can. It takes a special bios, and I believe a board from Biostar. Not all boards will allow this.

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ahhh, that's ok... just wondering if i could.

is there some sort of list of boards said to support the unlocking of 4th core?

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it would also depends on if that 4th core is really defective (hence it will never work), or if it was working, and just disabled to turn it into an X3.

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If you would have bought a Phenom II 920, I am pretty sure all 4 cores on them work perfectly staight out of the box.

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Yeah, but where is the fun in that?

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Reply to 4745454b

I can't guarantee anything, however:

From what I remember reading, most Gigabyte and Biostar 790 chipset boards worked in unlocking the 4th core using the ACC feature by setting it to Auto.

But if your disabled core is really defective, it won't do you any good.

As I also understood it, Asus boards would not unlock because their chipset/BIOS stuff was customized.

That's what I remember reading about. I can't verify any board except for the Biostar TA790GX 128M mobo I bought and it worked.

However, your results may vary and I can't guarantee anything.

Reply to jcknouse

hmm, dunno if it's worth it, would my computer boot IF the 4th core was indeed defective? like, as in, the other 3 cores still run with the half-a$$ed core?


Message edited by ChronoBodi on 03-17-2009 at 12:15:46 AM
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You need a 790GX chipset and apparently the BioStars are the best for unlocking.

If your computer didn't boot you would just have to clear the CMOS and restore default BIOS.

Reply to MykC

I think it's more dependent on your CPU. Some people are suggesting that fully functional 4-core phenom IIs were intentionally disabled to meet launch and could explained why initial responses were very positive. I don't know if that's true or not but it would be great if we could collect a comprehensive data base of build dates to find "stable" 4th core batches. :D

I was one of the lucky ones to get a stable 4-core 720x3. I had all four cores up to 3.4 stable at one point with voltage adjustment but found the increase noise of my CPU fan a little too loud for my taste. :P Less Noise > Marginal CPU gain.

BTW, I'm using a Asrock 790GX motherboard and it works great.

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jitpublisher wrote :

If you would have bought a Phenom II 920, I am pretty sure all 4 cores on them work perfectly staight out of the box.




Is the x4 920 a BE? Or AM3?

Reply to mountie

X4 920 is not BE, and it's AM2+.

The AM3 versions should come out this April, i believe.

Reply to ChronoBodi

It is AM3 but it also suit to AM2 :)

Reply to falcon386

I've got a Biostar TA790GX Motherboard and a Phenom 2 X3 720 BE CPU. I had no asperations of trying to get a fourth core from the three core processor but after reading the article on Tom's Hardware concerning their attempts at unlocking the fourth core with limited success I decided to enable the ACC in my bios and instantly after rebooting I came up with what appears to be a stable fourth core. I ran Cinebench for establishing a bench mark between the two cores (three and four) and here are the results:

Three Cores:
Rendering (Single CPU): 3226 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 8582 CB-CPU

Four Cores:
Rendering (Single CPU): 3177 CB-CPU
Rendering (Multiple CPU): 11533 CB-CPU

The change appears to be completely stable at this point but could someone suggest some other benchmark tests that would push the limits of the current four cores to check on it's future stability? I've never been one in the past to run benchmark tests on my new builds. Based on the article I'm not sure if the change from the three to four core processor provides me any added benefits but I'm tempted to leave as four if there isn't any stability problems. What do you think?


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Thanks jjbtexas for the suggestion. I came across Prime95 (Win 64 bit) this morning and ran it for about 9 hours with the new unlocked CPU passing every test so I guess that puts a dent in the comments I read about the X3's being built from defective X4's.

Reply to Stingingfork

but, why would AMD deliberately disable good functioning cores and sell it as a cheaper 3-core? Don't they make more money in the first place by selling a AM3 Phenom II quad?

Reply to ChronoBodi

they don't, all of them are slightly defective, except one batch which was to meet demand.

and don't forget the 720 is in a fairly high demand due to being better and cheaper than the e8400.

Reply to Helloworld_98

so, there's this particular batch of good quads that went on to sell as triples? Dunno if mine's one of them...

Reply to ChronoBodi

it was in late february/early march so I doubt you have one

Reply to Helloworld_98

lemme see my order date... i ordered mine on March 4th... That counts as early march... but then again it's luck of the draw.

Reply to ChronoBodi

MykC wrote :

You need a 790GX chipset and apparently the BioStars are the best for unlocking.

If your computer didn't boot you would just have to clear the CMOS and restore default BIOS.



how exactly do you clear the CMOS and restore default BIOS?

Reply to ChronoBodi

ChronoBodi wrote :

I heard it has to do with the motherboard's BIOs, so, here's mine:


GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128377

How exactly do you do so?


Cheater...

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:heink: ???
Cheating at what? was there a point to your post? It does not make any sense!

anybody respond on how to restore CMOS and BIOS in case it was unsuccessful?

Reply to ChronoBodi

on some mobo's there is a cmos restore switch.

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are the 720s the only ones that can be unlocked? I have a 710...

Reply to kal20mx

kal20mx wrote :

are the 720s the only ones that can be unlocked? I have a 710...


both of them can be unlocked, they're both quads with one core disabled anyway... only difference is that the 710 is basically a locked, lower speed version of the 720.

Reply to ChronoBodi

go into bios press Ctrl + F1 go into overclocking tweak at top you will see ACC( advance clock calibration set to hybrid and all cores.you will have 4 cores on reboot...
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/578355.png

Reply to extremebadass

Same game as the ol celeron proc. Defective math-co. No prob we will lock it out and sell it in a Dell... lol

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extremebadass wrote :

go into bios press Ctrl + F1 go into overclocking tweak at top you will see ACC( advance clock calibration set to hybrid and all cores.you will have 4 cores on reboot...
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/578355.png

 

I thought you set them to "auto"? Are u sure you have the same mobo as me? (GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P)

 

oh wait, you have the UD4P one, but they both should be similar, i guess... anyway...

 

What clock speed and voltage was the tri-core at before you enabled the ACC option? I want something to start off from, since i have it at 3.2 Ghz at stock voltage, do i have to up the voltage to unlock it?


Message edited by ChronoBodi on 06-03-2009 at 08:17:17 PM
Reply to ChronoBodi

I'm ordering a 720 right now for my first computer build.

Would you recommend trying this? Does it void the warranty? Does is reduce the CPU's lifespan?

I'm very leery of overclocking, and even more leery of enabling a "defective core."

I don't want to fry my first CPU within a year or two, because I do not have the money to buy another.

Reply to lazy-buntu

trust me, the 720 is very cool, especially when overclocked, even on the stock cooler.

 

mine's at 3.4 Ghz, with a 1.350 voltage, which is only a tick above normal. I'll say 3.4 Ghz is where it is at, you can go higher, but i'll recommend a better cooler. For stock, it's 30C at idle and 45C load (playing FSX, the most CPU intensive game i have)

 

but still, i'm on the fence about unlocking it, even though i bought it when it first came out (higher chance of success), but still... you never know, and taking apart the case and hitting the CMOS switch is a PAIN IN THE ASS if that's the worst-case scenario.


Message edited by ChronoBodi on 06-07-2009 at 04:47:25 AM
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alright, thanks for the info on unlocking, but i'm still scared about doing it...

Any successful unlocker, what was your Ghz speed and voltage before you unlocked it?

right now i have it at 3.4 Ghz on 1.35 volt... should i clock back to 2.8 and leave the voltage the same?

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Couldnt unlock my 4th core :(.. oh well i wasnt expecting it to when i bought the tricore. Still have my 710 clocked at 3.5 with 1.35 for a while but have it at 3.2 just to be safe.

Reply to kal20mx

extremebadass wrote :

go into bios press Ctrl + F1 go into overclocking tweak at top you will see ACC( advance clock calibration set to hybrid and all cores.you will have 4 cores on reboot...
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/578355.png


Hey extreme! I have the Gigabyte MA790GP-UD4H mobo with the F3A bios. I set to ACC hybrid and all cores and i couldnt reboot. Also tried per core and normal/auto, still no luck. Got my cpu in may so i am probly just one of the unlucky ones unless you have any suggestions for me. Thank you.

Reply to remotehugger

I've used All cores and Auto.It actually works better on Auto more stable at high oc.On ALL CORES you can adjust the % of oc on each individual core. Wind down the 4th core if unstable..As for the bro with the 720 that crashes on boot with 4th core activated try cranking your vcore voltage up to 1.45 -1.5 and wind down your ram e.g if its 1600hz knock it back to 1333 if its 1333 knock it down to 1066 and make sure your ram voltage is set to ram specs not board specs.Same with your ram timings.At the moment ive got my ram set at 1.8 volts. 1333 hz 7,7,7,24.Corsair XMS3 1600 hz. Works best for gaming....Change your bios to F4 or f4g .Some bios don't work i've been told.I have tried these 2 and they work. :hello: :sol: :sol: :sol: :sol:

Reply to extremebadass

extremebadass wrote :

I've used All cores and Auto.It actually works better on Auto more stable at high oc.On ALL CORES you can adjust the % of oc on each individual core. Wind down the 4th core if unstable..As for the bro with the 720 that crashes on boot with 4th core activated try cranking your vcore voltage up to 1.45 -1.5 and wind down your ram e.g if its 1600hz knock it back to 1333 if its 1333 knock it down to 1066 and make sure your ram voltage is set to ram specs not board specs.Same with your ram timings.At the moment ive got my ram set at 1.8 volts. 1333 hz 7,7,7,24.Corsair XMS3 1600 hz. Works best for gaming....Change your bios to F4 or f4g .Some bios don't work i've been told.I have tried these 2 and they work. :hello: :sol: :sol: :sol: :sol:



about the bios... does F3 work? if not, how do i do the Qflash trick? i would like to know... and is 1.4 volt ok for full unlocked processor?

Reply to ChronoBodi

Have to say i was pretty sceptical about this but....It works!
I have the Gigabyte MA790GP-UD4H and using the f3 bios.
I set the ACC to hybrid and auto and when i rebooted it now says that its a phenom x4 20, now none of the temp monitor programs that i have will show a valid temp but i definately have four cores working and seemingly stable at 3.5gig (just changing cpu multi to 17.5) and no other changes at all!

Reply to Jim Percy

Well damn ! I have the same board and i cant unlock my 4th core. I must have one of the cpu's made after march 4th. I have tried just about everything. Hybrid ECC with auto ACC- all cores. per core. even tried going 0% up to +4 % down to -4%. I just got unlucky. Oh well. Im stable at 3.717Mhz at 1.408 voltage. Wish i could get that damn core to unlock though.

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MykC wrote :

You need a 790GX chipset and apparently the BioStars are the best for unlocking.

If your computer didn't boot you would just have to clear the CMOS and restore default BIOS.



Umm.. 790GX is not a chipset, its the name of the northbridge / SB750 is what you need (ACC) in order to unlock and Biostars are not the best for unlocking.. To my knowledge they are low end boards.. The top unlockers are Gigabyte UD3P's/Asus M4A79/MSI 790FX-GD70....

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remotehugger wrote :

Well damn ! I have the same board and i cant unlock my 4th core. I must have one of the cpu's made after march 4th. I have tried just about everything. Hybrid ECC with auto ACC- all cores. per core. even tried going 0% up to +4 % down to -4%. I just got unlucky. Oh well. Im stable at 3.717Mhz at 1.408 voltage. Wish i could get that damn core to unlock though.



Well not all 720's will unlock the 4th core. Its basically a 50/50 chance as far as the 720's. The x2 550's have a higher unlocking rate 80-85%....

Reply to OvrClkr

I have the Gigabyte MA790GP-UD4H with the SB750 and i just didnt get lucky unless there are other things i can try. I havent looked at the manufacturing date of cpu so i dont know if its one of the few or not. But i have seen a few people with my board that have been able to unlock 4th core. I just dont think there is anything else i can try. I have the F3a bios. Is there a wasy i can knock it back to the F2 bios? I've seen people have alot of luck with that version.

Reply to remotehugger
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I dont think your 720 will unlock if you have already tried the F3a bios. Check to see if there is a new bios version and flash, thats all I can recommend for now.

Reply to OvrClkr

thanks OvrClkr. I will check for a newer bios. I think im just out of luck. Im sitting at 3.6 stable on 3 cores so im not too dissapointed right now.

Reply to remotehugger
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Dude, 3.6 stable (3 cores) what more do you want? Thats sweet... Dont worry about unlocking the 4th core. I bet you dont even max out those 3 cores unless you are doing some mad rendering or cinebench.

As far as gaming is concerned your 720 at 3.6 should be more than enough.

Reply to OvrClkr

That is all i do is gaming pretty much. A little bit of home movie making but not much else. Thank you . This is my first build so im pretty happy. I just found out that the EPP on my OCZ DDRII 800 memory lowered my timings to 4-4-3-15 and boosted it up to 412Mhz with no errors with 100% coverage on memtest too. Woohoo:)

Reply to remotehugger
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That is correct, EPP in bios works wonders for gettin the most out of your ram. The only thing I would do as far as your ram is : go into Bios and change the 3 for a 4 meaning you should end up with 4-4-4-15. That should be the most stable setting as far as your OCZ ram goes....Let me know if you need any help....

Reply to OvrClkr

Thanks again. I will change it right now. Would 4 more gigs do me any good ? I was thinking about getting 2 more sticks. Or should i consider 1066 ram ?

Reply to remotehugger
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Ok so here is the deal, if your OS is 64 bit then YES you should upgrade to 8 gigs, if not then 4 gigs is basically the max you can use on a 32 bit system. As far as 1066Mhz ram, i would not invest 60-80$ just to bump my speed up a tad. 4 GB of 800MHZ ram should be fine. If you have the money to burn then go ahead but you wont see a night and day difference. I would save up for a future build and then get some DDR-3. I have 667, 800 and 1066 ram and I do see a significant difference when we compare 667 to 1066 but from 800 to 1066 you really wont be amazed at the speed diference.


Message edited by OvrClkr on 07-09-2009 at 08:01:32 PM
Reply to OvrClkr

I do have Vista 64. And i can 4 more gigs of the same ram for 40 bucks. And a future build is definitely coming so i think i will take your advice. I have very much enjoyed the experience and am looking forward to building another. And everyone on Toms have been great with me from the begininng. I had some pretty noob questions when i started. Thank you for your input.

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