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June 13, 2008 4:49:42 PM

Radeon 4870 will sell for about 329$!!

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&ta...


What do you think? :pt1cable: 

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June 13, 2008 5:06:41 PM

Wait a it more for the price war to flame ...and buy 2 3870 !!!
June 13, 2008 5:21:23 PM

I........JUST........WANT.........BENCHMARKS!!!!!!!!!!
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June 13, 2008 5:23:40 PM

4870s blow 3870s out of the water, although I havent checked out 3870 in CF vs a single 4870. I dont know if well see that comparison until we get finalized drivers and an official launch. I do know a 4870 is comparable to an OC'd 8800gts 512mb.

Also a fudzilla update is marking the 4870s closer too 299 than 329. Basically the NV G200 cards are a touch faster but much more expensive, and they have less technolgy built in. So in many ways youre getting more for less at the cost of just a few FPS.
June 13, 2008 6:50:03 PM

T8RR8R said:
4870s blow 3870s out of the water, although I havent checked out 3870 in CF vs a single 4870. I dont know if well see that comparison until we get finalized drivers and an official launch. I do know a 4870 is comparable to an OC'd 8800gts 512mb.

Also a fudzilla update is marking the 4870s closer too 299 than 329. Basically the NV G200 cards are a touch faster but much more expensive, and they have less technolgy built in. So in many ways youre getting more for less at the cost of just a few FPS.



plus nvidia degrades image quality through there drivers if they are getting beat in fps, whats the use of insisting on running games with high AA if the image is of lower quality than ATI cant understand anyone that buys nvidia, that's the only reason i don't buy from them
June 13, 2008 6:53:41 PM

Im very glad I didnt buy that 9800 GTX last week that I was thinking about...

Looks like the obvious choice will be the 4870 if youre willing to spend the 3 bills.

As mentioned above...lots of technology packed in there at that price.
June 13, 2008 6:58:59 PM

It will be less than 300$.Than i will buy it.And 4850 beats 8800GT for about 40%!!!!!
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2008 7:03:49 PM

AND 4850 beats 8800GT for about 40%!!!!!

for is supposed to be by...

anyway... the 4870 is supposed to be a little under a 3870 X2... and if yo did the math of Vantage xtreme preset scores... it would fit there exactly...

I did the math in another forum and it all works out perfectly with the 4870 X2 taking performance crown 4870 being just under the 3870 X2.... and the 4850 on par with the 9800 gtx

the GTX 260 is more powerful than 4870 and the GTX 280 is just under the performance of the 4870 X2...

how well this will all hold up once actual games and benchmarks come out... who knows
June 13, 2008 7:30:30 PM

damn it's slightly more than i was hoping for. i gues i gotta upgrade to 3870 crossfire, instead of getting a 4870. i thought they were gonna be a hundred bucks cheaper lol. i guess that if they are really fast it's worth it. personally i can't wait for the comparison of 3870 crossife or 3870x2 and the 4870 card. gonna help me decide what to get.
June 13, 2008 7:41:52 PM

Must...have...benchmarks...cough..wheeeeezzze....splutter
June 13, 2008 7:50:43 PM

Price will probably drop not too long after launch depending on how well it stacks up against the the 260.
a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2008 7:56:40 PM

@ godless, sell you 3870 now, quick while you can get a lil for it, the 3850s are already dropping. Then get 2 4850s, itll kill the 3870 cf
June 13, 2008 8:00:24 PM

^^ The funny thing is those are all great cards, and most gamers would never notice a difference between them!
June 13, 2008 8:01:12 PM

Wow you guys reply fast! My first post was in response to thogrom
a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2008 8:18:55 PM

Not a chance the 280 goes for 500 bucks. The 260 at 300? Ill wait for those prices before I believe that
June 13, 2008 8:32:39 PM

i think that at 329 for s single and probably close to double for an x2 they can shove them up their anuses.

not interested, not impressed, and don't care! :) 
a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2008 8:39:21 PM

How about 2 4850s for 400? Thats looking very possible, even under if theres a x2 version
June 13, 2008 8:45:49 PM

^ ...might have results similar to 8800GT SLI...interesting thought indeed ....

I'm more interested in the results of 3870 and 4870 hybrid CF... should be a spectacular deal for 3870 owners (like me) if it maxes out Crysis.

a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2008 8:57:38 PM

Itll win against GT's in SLI
June 13, 2008 9:20:09 PM

I'm actually leaning towards the 4850 because it's a little lower in price and power consumption, later on I can add a 4870 to it on my DFI UT LP X48T3R that I just picked up last week. Yes it'll look like an Xmas tree but oh well it'll kick the crap out of most everything else. I know that mixing a 3870 with a 3850 has very similar performance to 2 identical 3870s. I'm guessing that the same would apply to the 48**'s as well.

Although I might just wait a while and see how the 4870X2 does before I do anything.
June 13, 2008 9:22:36 PM

some many possiblities of what to do. honestly before any decision making, we gotta get the benchmarks. this will decide everything.
June 13, 2008 11:07:38 PM

Methinks this is a good time to upgrade from my X1950 Pro (although to perfectly honest at this point in time its working good enough for me lol)
June 14, 2008 3:01:22 AM

Hey if it works fine for what you play/do then keep your old and trusty card till you find a real reason to upgrade.

I agree that until we get more benchmarks across a multitude of systems and driver version we'll never really know the most accurate judgement of performance. Unless you've been waiting on a new card to come out because your is dead then I'd suggest waiting at least a month after these cards come out to pick one up.
June 14, 2008 9:20:42 AM

4870 is a very good card but it is too expensive or me.It is on 55nm build and GDDR5.I think it will be very good card....:) 
June 14, 2008 9:57:08 AM

whats the point? 4870 is not as fast as a 8800gtx and i imagine would cost just a little less than a 280 which will be almost twice as fast.

4870x2 may well beat a 280 in speed but at that point they'll also be much more expensive


regardless, for me its always nvidia. I've already been kicked in the balls by ATI drivers and joke of a support.. to me not having my games freeze and my crossfire lock up and self destruct matter more than getting a slightly cheaper product or a slightly faster one
June 14, 2008 1:02:56 PM

lightzy said:
whats the point? 4870 is not as fast as a 8800gtx and i imagine would cost just a little less than a 280 which will be almost twice as fast.


are you a fortune teller? because no one knows about the performance for sure yet.

lightzy said:
4870x2 may well beat a 280 in speed but at that point they'll also be much more expensive


yeah but at OTHER points (when the prices drop) it would still a better buy than GTX280. Unless you're the queen on Monaco.


lightzy said:
regardless, for me its always nvidia. I've already been kicked in the balls by ATI drivers and joke of a support.. to me not having my games freeze and my crossfire lock up and self destruct matter more than getting a slightly cheaper product or a slightly faster one


you've obviously never used SLI/nvidia boards ... you won't have any balls left to be kicked if you do use them.
a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2008 1:23:28 PM

I think someone confusing the little brother 4850 with big brother, and big bro wont like that. The 4850 is edging a 9800GTX, big bro will stomp it
June 14, 2008 1:36:03 PM

lightzy said:
whats the point? 4870 is not as fast as a 8800gtx and i imagine would cost just a little less than a 280 which will be almost twice as fast.

4870x2 may well beat a 280 in speed but at that point they'll also be much more expensive


regardless, for me its always nvidia. I've already been kicked in the balls by ATI drivers and joke of a support.. to me not having my games freeze and my crossfire lock up and self destruct matter more than getting a slightly cheaper product or a slightly faster one

*senses slight hint of fanboyism here*
June 14, 2008 2:29:36 PM

*Fanboyism*, ya think so huh. lol.

Sersiously though I don't think anybody is doubting that the GTX280 is faster but it's also twice the price and it actually has less built in technology. 4870 is in the ballpark of an 8800GTX and I wouldn't be surprized if it wasn't a pinch faster than a G80 as well. I can't really say for sure because the performance results so far use pre-release drivers, and potentially made up(fake) results.

It has been said for quite some time that the 4870 should be about 20% faster than the 4850. Therefore if you follow this link, http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=288550 you'll see that the 4850 scores 14254 in 3DMark06. If you add 20 to that score you get about 17104. Not an exact science I know but it does suggest that the 4870 should totally be a killer card, and it'll probably score above 16,000 if you had quad clocked to 4.0Ghz. On the flip side of that coin check out this article, http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432600#post432600 I obviously don't know their full system specs, but I do know that the GTX280 is getting 16650 in 3DMark06 with the same CPU(clock speed is uknown though).

So for a card that costs half as much, the 4870 is a no brainer buy VS the GTX280. We could go into SLI, and Crossfire scaling differences, but instead to a little more pain to Nvidia, check this out
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Power_Consumption_Tests_For_GTX_280_SLI/5870.html
June 14, 2008 6:40:46 PM

I think we'll all have to wait and see what happens after a few driver versions and alot of independant trustworthy reviews before declaring a new card winner. It seems to me that Nvidia has the faster card, but it's just too darn expensive. However I remember than the 8800GTX was pretty darn expensive when it came out too, and we all know it's killer track record. I think in the end though most of us weigh the price and performance, especially now days in such a crappy global economy we're all looking for that bang for the buck card.
June 14, 2008 6:42:37 PM

T8RR8R said:
I think we'll all have to wait and see what happens after a few driver versions and alot of independant trustworthy reviews before declaring a new card winner. It seems to me that Nvidia has the faster card, but it's just too darn expensive. However I remember than the 8800GTX was pretty darn expensive when it came out too, and we all know it's killer track record. I think in the end though most of us weigh the price and performance, especially now days in such a crappy global economy we're all looking for that bang for the buck card.


GTX280 and 260 have new prices now there at war now with ATI. for priceing
June 14, 2008 11:33:38 PM

Yeah the GTX260 is 400 and the 280 is TBD but best guessed at 500-700, depending on OCing, cooling, location and brand. Where as the 4850 is around 220 and the 4870 is around 300 also give or take OCing, cooling and brand name of course. I'm not a fan of ATI or Intel or Nvidia or whoever else, but one thing I can say is that I don't like when technology companies snub their noses at other technology companies because they want some kind of extra profit or notoriety such as what Nvidia is doing. I get it that they wanna be on their own format, or agenda, but it's going to cost them consumers. Just think about the 680,780,790 and all of their subsidies with all of their issues with data corruption, memory cooking, and instability. Intel seems to be cutting itself a little short too with all this switch over to QPI in late 2008-2009. QPI is much faster than Hypertransport, and FSB, but as far as I know Intel is just cutting off the FSB market by stopping it's LGA 775 chip support with X48 and P45/G45 variants. I know we'll have a Q8*** series and an E5*** series, and possibly a few other little things here and their but as far as I see it, the end of the LGA775 platform is already posted. Although that bugs me a little I see that it's going to be such a jump in performance and quite some time before it really happens that it doesn't bother me too much, although it pretty much stops me from any upgrades at this point unless something burns up on me or something so splendertastic come out that I can't even imagine. ATI is playing catchup a little bit because honestly they should be really be nipping at the heals of Nvidia with performance not just beating them in the price to performance ratio category. At least they are starting to compete again at some level though. 2*** series was pretty much a total miss by ATI and even the 3*** series was a near miss. The 3870, 3850 and 3870x2 weren't bad at all but didn't really do a whole ton of damage to Nvidia's 8800GT and newer GTS.

I personally just don't think and extra $300 is really worth it for the few extra FPS that are gained on the GTX2** cards. I don't doubt that they are faster by quite a bit, but Nvidia doesn't really do as much improving performance with it's drivers as ATI does and at this point I'd say that the 4*** series from ATI is a winner...for the price. We'll really have to wait and see what supply and demand does to these cards prices. I also think we'll have to wait for the hardware mfg community to see if they adopt the new cards that well. Sometimes I've seen alot of cards stay very generic because of poor aftermarket support(ie9800GTX).
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2008 2:24:14 AM

Well said. I also think that the single thread performance we see from Nehalem will be a disappointment, and the Intel has thrown all their eggs, up to this point, in multithreading, which has been slow to arrive. The IPC seems to not matter anymore, but I also think we will get a reminder that IPC does matter, as these newer cards will demand it, or higher clocks. I look forward to see the full potential of gpu use in our apps, and think it will only introduce it (gpu) more in the minds of business as well as the common user, which will only expand the market for gpus.
June 15, 2008 2:05:10 PM

Cnt wait for these cards hehe. I thinkt he msot sensible thing to do for xfire board owners wld be to get a single 4870 when it comes out and then the 4870x2 for tri-xfire later on.

I will most definitely do that :D 
June 15, 2008 3:04:34 PM

$329 is too rich for this boy. I was hoping to get a DDR5 4850, but I guess there isn't enough DDR5 to go around.

anyone else getting a little worried how they don't let reviewers get a hold of these (AIT and nVidia) and keep on pushing the launches back.

I'm thinking nVidia is ready to drop a real stinker compared to the hype we've been hearing, and ATI is going to fail to live up to its hype too.
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