thanks everyone, yeah corsair are solid, they're also double the c ost of antec 430's, not sure which to get really, don;t want to sabotage the $ I'm spending on performance via cpu/ vid card because I was too cheap to get a decent psu - no idea how all this stuff works/ integrates, basically im after cheapest non-substandard brand that'll support the e8400/gt 9600 easily - and perferably quiet too