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Declare War on Rabid Fanboys Without Flaming!

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July 5, 2008 6:27:13 PM

Sick of rabid fanboys? Me too.

Many of us just can't stand to see bad advice and misinformation on these forums. In our attempt to correct the misinformation we accidentally start some flame wars that just end up going in circles.

Let's declare war on the fanboys WITHOUT flaming. "How the hell do I do that?" you ask? Simple:

THG rolled out a lot of new features with the new forum software. Many of you are already enjoying some of these features such as:

- 50% Slower Load Times
- 5x more Advertisements
- Broken English in User Interface


HOWEVER, we have all underutilized a very useful feature!: You can vote Up or Down on a post. If a post gets a few down votes, it hides itself and others have to unhide it in order for it to be read:



So let's all declare war on fanboyous statements and make the disappear from the forums! The best of both worlds, no more flame wars, and the removal of misinformation.

I ask my fellow factboys to please join my efforts. Here's a good thread we can start to "clean up":

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251216-28-q6600-real-...
July 5, 2008 6:40:27 PM

So you are a fanboy for antifanboyism? This can go in circles forever. Also I hate this feature because so far all I have seen is the fanboys battling each other with this new feature.
July 5, 2008 6:49:14 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:
So you are a fanboy for antifanboyism? This can go in circles forever. Also I hate this feature because so far all I have seen is the fanboys battling each other with this new feature.


I am specifically referring to two people that are causing some flame wars. Everyone else seems very reasonable. I think my fellow fact loving factboys will only target people who aren't trying to discuss, but are just trying to disrupt the board. Opinions contrary to the majority are fine with us, it's when someone constantly tried to shove the same lie down everyone's throats in every single thread it gets a little frustrating.

I do see you concern, I just don't think it will be a problem.
July 5, 2008 6:57:58 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:
I am specifically referring to two people that are causing some flame wars. Everyone else seems very reasonable. I think my fellow fact loving factboys will only target people who aren't trying to discuss, but are just trying to disrupt the board. Opinions contrary to the majority are fine with us, it's when someone constantly tried to shove the same lie down everyone's throats in every single thread it gets a little frustrating.

I do see you concern, I just don't think it will be a problem.


The problem is that often you are claiming to discuss facts... but are discussing your opinions and presenting them as "facts".

When you present an opinion as a "fact" you may have somebody mention that your "fact" is not accurate. This is not an untruth. It is just somebody that does not agree with your opinion. (Which you presented as a "fact".)
July 5, 2008 7:00:06 PM

Problem is you are assuming that you know the absolute truth so that you can pick apart any lie. Just seems a little pretentious to me...
a c 117 à CPUs
July 5, 2008 7:02:44 PM

Nobody likes the BS but I see the overwhelming potential for serious abuse with the up/down vote thang.

And when you call yourself a 'factboy' and start a thread like this .... well .... just remember: You have a friend in Jesus (and ... Lighten up, Francis).


Drop kick me, Jesus through the goal posts of life
End over end, neither left nor to right
Straight through the heart of them righteous uprights
Drop kick me, Jesus through the goal posts of life

Make me, oh make me, Lord more than I am
Make me a piece in your master game plan
Free from the earthly temptations below
I've got the will, Lord if you've got the toe

(Chorus)
Drop-kick me, Jesus, through the goalposts of life,
End over end, neither left nor to right.
Straight through the heart of them righteous uprights
Drop-kick me, Jesus, through the goalposts of life.

Bring on the brothers who've gone on before
Bring on the sisters who've knocked on your door.
Bring on those sainted relations of mine
And put them up front in the offensive line.

(Chorus)

A lowly bench warmer I'm contented to be
Until the time you have need of me
Flash on the big scoreboard that shines up on high
The big Superbowl 'way up in the sky

(Chorus)
a c 127 à CPUs
July 5, 2008 7:57:42 PM

YAY!!!! I am famous and in your screenshot!!!! YAY!!!!

keithlm said:
The problem is that often you are claiming to discuss facts... but are discussing your opinions and presenting them as "facts".

When you present an opinion as a "fact" you may have somebody mention that your "fact" is not accurate. This is not an untruth. It is just somebody that does not agree with your opinion. (Which you presented as a "fact".)


Says the guy who has yet to ever disagree with anyone and provide any link to anything showing this as proof. Oh and if you start a site that is obviously one sided does not count.

When you actually provide proof, and the first day you do I am sure Hell will freeze over, then maybe people will take in what you say. Until then You are pretty much seen as a flame starter.
July 5, 2008 8:59:34 PM

facts? reality? nah.....
July 5, 2008 9:16:45 PM

TechnologyCoordinator said:

HOWEVER, we have all underutilized a very useful feature!: You can vote Up or Down on a post. If a post gets a few down votes, it hides itself and others have to unhide it in order for it to be read:

http://www.warrenuncensored.com/images/THG/declarewar1.png

So let's all declare war on fanboyous statements and make the disappear from the forums! The best of both worlds, no more flame wars, and the removal of misinformation.

I ask my fellow factboys to please join my efforts. Here's a good thread we can start to "clean up":

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251216-28-q6600-real-...


:pt1cable:  "Let's clean house!!" :pt1cable: 

Bob
July 5, 2008 9:51:29 PM

How many negative votes do you need to get hidden?
July 5, 2008 10:01:33 PM

epsilon84 said:
How many negative votes do you need to get hidden?



I believe it is somewhere in the single digits.
July 5, 2008 10:26:28 PM

I'm all for it, I've already started, as for the how many votes question in this same thread you'll see there are two post with a -4 score that are being hidden, but I think the rule must be an absolute number or a percentage. Why not ask the mods about it?
July 5, 2008 11:02:42 PM

I will vote every post for the rest of my life or lack there of.
July 5, 2008 11:03:11 PM

This sounds like some adolescent bullying to me. Most people can sort out the jerks and it's really your own personal choice to have a reaction to the childish taunting. The voting to hide a post smacks of Lord of the Flies and is also very childish. I thought the voting was to express displeasure and voice your opinion that the comment was inappropriate or wrong, not to hide it.
July 5, 2008 11:10:16 PM

Sorry, although I agree in principle, I think it's going to turn out bad. This will catch on and we will wind up with rampant negative numbers on all the posts.

I think if you want to rate a post as being bad you should have to post and give your reasons.

I will go as far as to say I think they should remove this feature.

I've seen thumbs down on perfectly good posts because someone was pissed at the poster. I must admit, I have also seen them on troll posts. I have used it only once, that I remember, on that dork that comes in and posts complete gibberish, because I was irritated. It wasn't necessary, because it was clear he was just trying to irritate. In hindsight it was a mistake.

TC, I'm a little surprised that you would advocate using this tactic.
July 5, 2008 11:17:44 PM

Zorg said:
TC, I'm a little surprised that you would advocate using this tactic.



I see two options:

1. Childish circular flaming that hides any useful information
2. Using a feature that allows the quiet removal of fanboy facts (aka total bulls**t)


Both are childish, but one is more productive.
July 6, 2008 12:50:26 AM

Let's hope I'm wrong, although I don't thinks so.
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July 6, 2008 1:01:40 AM

Zorg said:

I've seen thumbs down on perfectly good posts because someone was pissed at the poster. I must admit, I have also seen them on troll posts. I have used it only once, that I remember, on that dork that comes in and posts complete gibberish, because I was irritated. It wasn't necessary, because it was clear he was just trying to irritate. In hindsight it was a mistake.


True, except many people would need to be 'pissed' before it got to a level of unreadability... Also I think there should be a see-sawing system for users. If the user repetitively flames/insults you, you can 'block' out their posts.
July 6, 2008 2:11:55 AM

Zorg said:
Sorry, although I agree in principle, I think it's going to turn out bad. This will catch on and we will wind up with rampant negative numbers on all the posts.

I think if you want to rate a post as being bad you should have to post and give your reasons.

I will go as far as to say I think they should remove this feature.

I've seen thumbs down on perfectly good posts because someone was pissed at the poster. I must admit, I have also seen them on troll posts. I have used it only once, that I remember, on that dork that comes in and posts complete gibberish, because I was irritated. It wasn't necessary, because it was clear he was just trying to irritate. In hindsight it was a mistake.

TC, I'm a little surprised that you would advocate using this tactic.


Exactly, just look at the articles on THW, the rating system has run rampant and most of the ones that have negative numbers are because of some one just disagreeing. The absolute problem with all of this is the fact that not one of us is always right and not one of us, for this reason, have the right to judge another person's opinion or intended facts. The only time this feature should be used is when some one blatantly uses profanity or obscenity to insult some one. I have yet to see this feature used for this purpose, rather I have only seen this feature used as an aggressive gesture against the poster. I believe that the positive or negative rating feature should ONLY be used in absolutely EXTREME circumstances, such as the one I listed above. Like everything in the world, there is always some one who will abuse this feature and I have a feeling that this will be the most common circumstance.
July 6, 2008 2:54:48 AM

amdfangirl said:
True, except many people would need to be 'pissed' before it got to a level of unreadability... Also I think there should be a see-sawing system for users. If the user repetitively flames/insults you, you can 'block' out their posts.


And, you can alert a Moderator ... hint: Moderators don't read that many threads ... they count on the members to report trouble.
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July 6, 2008 3:06:36 AM

...see-sawed...
July 6, 2008 3:39:39 AM

In case there are still people that haven't figured this out by now, the exclamation point (!) is used to report posts to the moderators.
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 3:59:17 AM

^ Doesn't really seem to work tho... Pressed and reported like twice before it said that a message had been sent!
July 6, 2008 4:03:22 AM

we send fanboi's on the 'trains' if you will...
July 6, 2008 4:40:17 AM

Holy **** what is with those posts!?!?! That is inexcusable, though it seems to be rampant on forums. Just go to Lian-Li's website and hit their fan club link and (try) to look through the forums and tell me that is not terrible. They saw that 97% of the internet is porn, lets keep the other 3% clean PLEASE.
July 6, 2008 5:11:18 AM

As the old IFB #1 i am ready for war!

my ar15, 9mm are ready! My German Shepard is ready! My motte is filled!

so bring it on! wait is this a different type of war maybe i got it wrong?
July 6, 2008 5:17:11 AM

dragonsprayer said:
As the old IFB #1 i am ready for war!

my ar15, 9mm are ready! My German Shepard is ready! My motte is filled!

so bring it on! wait is this a different type of war maybe i got it wrong?


uhh whats a motte, is that like a jar filled w/ Mott's applesauce?
July 6, 2008 7:03:22 AM

FrozenGpu said:
uhh whats a motte, is that like a jar filled w/ Mott's applesauce?

I think he ment moat.
Then again, If it's filled with motts clamato and vodka, I'll call him ceasar, and go for a swim.
a c 127 à CPUs
July 6, 2008 7:30:06 AM

If so I will just take the Vodka straight pls. Oh and Smirnoff is prefered. And a Mountain Dew on the side for good measure. Told ya I am a Mountain Dew fanboy.
July 6, 2008 8:00:39 AM


Concerning the ratings:

Just to let everyone know if you look at the top of the list and see this line: "Show comments: By default All Good ratings Poor ratings"


There are four different "links":
"By Default" -- only shows things better than -4
"All" -- All posts
"Good ratings" -- Only things that have +1
"Poor ratings" -- Only things that are below -9


And also: It doesn't help that statistically there are more Intel owners versus AMD owners. Because there will ALWAYS be a difference of opinion. And basically since there really is NOT a huge difference between the performance of chips in the same price range... there will NEVER be agreement on these issues.

NOTE: I predict that when Intel moves to the same design many of the arguments will continue. And many of the same people that currently oppose certain ideas or concepts will become champions of those ideas/concepts when the Nehalem is concerned. We will see Intel fan versus Intel fan. Although I doubt that the Intel Nehalem fans will ever "agree" with the Phenom fans. There will be interesting twists of logic to accept one design at the exclusion of the other.

So... should this rating system discrimination be used only to exclude brand preference or should it be used for architecture/design preference as well?

Oh.. and what about if you don't like somebody's name or avatar? Is that fair game also?
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 8:13:16 AM

^ hmm... is it possible to change ur name and retain post count?
July 6, 2008 8:29:43 AM

amdfangirl said:
^ hmm... is it possible to change ur name and retain post count?


lol why would you want a silly thing like that? :kaola: 
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 8:32:28 AM

^ Core 2 Macbook, Core 2 E7200 HTPC, Core 2 Quad Q6600 coming soon!
July 6, 2008 9:11:48 AM

amdfangirl said:
^ Core 2 Macbook, Core 2 E7200 HTPC, Core 2 Quad Q6600 coming soon!


Huh? :??: 
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 10:07:09 AM

I speak in 3 different languages... In this case you need a Ph.d in English to know what I'm saying... I have a Core 2 Macbook, A Core 2 E7200 as a HTPC (An I'm getting a Q6600 soon) but I only have one AMD machine!
July 6, 2008 11:52:15 AM

No, you will always be amdfangirl to us. :lol: 
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 12:00:23 PM

I have failed, again...

Do I have to forum-marry somebody to change my name?
July 6, 2008 12:29:55 PM

keithlm said:
NOTE: I predict that when Intel moves to the same design many of the arguments will continue. And many of the same people that currently oppose certain ideas or concepts will become champions of those ideas/concepts when the Nehalem is concerned. We will see Intel fan versus Intel fan. Although I doubt that the Intel Nehalem fans will ever "agree" with the Phenom fans. There will be interesting twists of logic to accept one design at the exclusion of the other.
Wrong again.

I don't think anyone here is defending the FSB. If you read the posts more closely, I believe that you will see that there is agreement that the IMC is better. The question is how much effect it has at the current speeds and whether that outweighs the difference between the processing power coupled with the attainable OCs of the core 2 CPUs, that are relatively insensitive to the bandwidth in the first place.

I suspect that there will be very little argument from any "FSB fanbois" :lol:  or "amd fanbois" for that matter because after the launch of Nehalem with the IMC it will be clear to even the most hardened AMD fanboi that the argument is over. Unless AMD pulls a rabbit out of a hat, which I hope they do by the way.

I have a gut feeling that Intel is sitting on their hands. If they desired they could bury AMD, luckily they see the value in having a number two. Why do you think they are helping AMD with the Havoc agreement. Sure thay want ray-tracing to take off, but they also don't want to see AMD disappear.
July 6, 2008 12:30:45 PM

amdfangirl said:
I have failed, again...

Do I have to forum-marry somebody to change my name?
Aren't you a little young for such talk?
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 12:50:37 PM

Zorg said:
Wrong again.

I don't think anyone here is defending the FSB. If you read the posts more closely, I believe that you will see that there is agreement that the IMC is better. The question is how much effect it has at the current speeds and whether that outweighs the difference between the processing power coupled with the attainable OCs of the core 2 CPUs, that are relatively insensitive to the bandwidth in the first place.

I suspect that there will be very little argument from any "FSB fanbois" :lol:  or "amd fanbois" for that matter because after the launch of Nehalem with the IMC it will be clear to even the most hardened AMD fanboi that the argument is over. Unless AMD pulls a rabbit out of a hat, which I hope they do by the way.

I have a gut feeling that Intel is sitting on their hands. If they desired they could bury AMD, luckily they see the value in having a number two. Why do you think they are helping AMD with the Havoc agreement. Sure thay want ray-tracing to take off, but they also don't want to see AMD disappear.


AMD's gonna stay around the mid-range area until it can do a 48xx again. I'm sure it'll happen, but when is the question...

Zorg said:
Aren't you a little young for such talk?


It's normal for us... besides forum-marriages aren't legal anywhere in this world... and I was just joking...
July 6, 2008 12:55:44 PM

Just checking. :lol: 
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 1:07:28 PM

^ Reynob? :lol:  :lol: 

Zorg said:
Just checking. :lol: 


;) 
July 6, 2008 1:10:33 PM

DELETED due to amdfangirl's age.
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 1:13:53 PM

see-sawed
July 6, 2008 1:16:48 PM

Nah. Don't waste your time with Reynod. I have photos of him in a gay bar. :) 
July 6, 2008 1:18:54 PM

13????????????????????

And she wants to get married?

Sorry. Didn't know. I'll delete my post now and Zorg, please do the same on your quote!

I apologize.
a b à CPUs
July 6, 2008 1:19:44 PM

^ More information says I'm 13...

Marriage is something many girls think about... its like some guy in shiny armour rescues and protects you...

mm... shiny!

I'll delete but your off "the list"
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