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9600GT vs. Radeon 3870: Which is the better weapon?

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a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2008 11:05:09 PM

What do you guys think. Which is the better weapon. 9600GT or Radeon 3870. Both cards have 512Mb, but the 3870 has DDR4. Any good vs. benchmarks out there comparing these two? Thanks. :D 

CHAINTECH GSE96GT GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI RX3870-T2D512E OC Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 15, 2008 11:08:05 PM

They perform about the same. 3870 slightly better with aa off, and 9600 slightly better with aa on. At those prices, 9600 is better.

That 3870 you linked is highly overprices. A far better performing g92 8800gts costs $159 after mir, and that 3870 cost $169.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2008 11:12:03 PM

I was hoping you would show me some benchmarks, I'm lazy today. ;) 
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a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2008 11:15:09 PM

Eh, the 9600GT has 94 stream processors, Radeon 3870 has 320 and DDR4, are you sure the 9600GT kicks the 3870 azz?
June 15, 2008 11:22:17 PM

9600gt has 64 SP forum veteran.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2008 11:25:56 PM

Well, old hand your good at looking up numbers. I appreciate that. Do you own either card? Know of any benchmarks. I may replace my radeon 3870 with the 9600GT at the price Newegg is offering. Thanks.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2008 11:31:04 PM

I belive despite the differing arcitectures the two cards are compared at the same benchmarks ll the time. Ever hear of Intel vs. AMD? I think AMD is fast dropping out of benchmark comparisons when Intel is involved, but you get the point.
June 15, 2008 11:32:31 PM

most of ati processors, are sucks with AA on, wonder why.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2008 11:33:02 PM

Well, I have four VISTA DX 10 systems running right now. And I have three DX10 cards currently. For $109 I can get a DX10 card that is possibly better than the best DX10 card I currently own.
June 16, 2008 12:10:10 AM

badge said:
Well, old hand your good at looking up numbers. I appreciate that. Do you own either card? Know of any benchmarks. I may replace my radeon 3870 with the 9600GT at the price Newegg is offering. Thanks.


I don't look it up forum veteran. I know it by heart. :lol: 

Yeah I know few things about gaming and gpu and you might want to read my link in my sig. So you have 3870 already? What would be the purpose to get nearly same performance?
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 12:25:34 AM

Its a waste of time replacing the 3870 with the 9600gt. I do have and like the 9600 but still a waste of time and money...
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 12:34:08 AM

It depends heavily on the games and settings. Like dagger mentioned AA plays a big role as well.

As a recent example if you look at the Age of Conan tests on various sites you'll see the HD3870 walk all over the GF9600GT for some reason, but then at other time the situation is reversed in other games.

While I have issues with [H]'s testing methods and have brought it up a few times to Kyle & Co., even with a margin of error it seems obvious whom they favour in this game;
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUxNiwz...
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 12:35:51 AM

I'm not 'replacing' and if I were it would not be a wate of time buying a 9600GT for $109. I'm using a 7800GT in one of my VISTA systems. I was looking for a suitable DX10 card and had the opportunity to buy a 9600GT for a small price. I was looking at 8400 for 35 bucks until I saw the 9600GT. The 9600 performs as well as my 3870. A hundred bucks won't fill my gas tank by next month. 20.5 galons x $5. LOL.

http://www.techspot.com/article/88-geforce-9600gt-versu...

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3235
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 12:41:54 AM

Quote:
IT depends heavily on the games and settings. Like dagger mentioned AA plays a big role as well.


'xactly. I realize this. My son plays games, I don't. I stream dish network to three locations (where ever I am on that day) and watch digital satellite. But, hey I'm an enthusiast like you and enoy a performance card just as much.

Quote:
As a recent example if you look at the Age of Conan tests on various sites you'll see the HD3870 walk all over the GF9600GT for some reason, but then at other time the situation is reversed.


I didn't notice Age of Conan particularily, but I am seeing one card will outperform the other in different games. I want to buy a game or two and get in to playing for the first time. Should I go with Age of Conan in spite of this. :lol: 


http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/06/accidental-brea.htm...
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 12:43:11 AM

Yeah I think that Techspot quick summary shows the major role of AA between these two and how they do go back and forth. In the Anand review you lose a bit of that detail about AA to all the other tests.

a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 12:50:21 AM

badge said:

I didn't notice Age of Conan particularily, but I am seeing one card will outperform the other in different games. I want to buy a game or two and get in to playing for the first time. Should I go with Age of Conan in spite of this. :lol: 


I don't know haven't played it, it's just the latest graphically intensive game which is why I mention it.

IMO, if you've already got an HD3870 and plan on keeping it, get the GF9600GT, because that way if one or the other starts losing or gaining support for features then you have the best of both worlds for either yourself or your son.
IMO I think the win-win is getting the GF9600GT, if you bought another HD3870 (which are on sale for $120) you'd actually potentially set yourself up for a situation where both aren't up to a particular task.

But if it's just for you and your tasks, then of course even a pretty weak GF8400 might be fine, but I'd recommend against that for anything requiring GPU power like video post-processing in playback, decrypting HD disks/content and other similar tasks. But raw streaming of re-directed content won't stress a GF8400.

BTW, the Boob patch/mod was fixed supposedly. But funny it garnered such a quick reaction while other bugs get nary a reply. Let's you know what gamers are focused on. :sol: 
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 12:59:28 AM

Yeah, if I get the 9600GT I can install it in my backup system and give my son the 8800GTS 640. he uses XP with a 7900GTO, but some of his friends have mentioned they are gaming with VISTA now. I told him I can install VISTA 64 for him. he's using a 74GB raptor, so I hesitate to install V64 on there. I set up a VISTA 64 machine last week for my wife! LOL! I had to transfer 'everything' office/home from the socket 754 she has used for like the past five years. She was impressed! Do you belive that! She loves AERO and this morning I demonstrated the power of VISTA's search. I can pull up any file of any patient she has on the machine in a second.

I guess I will leave the 3870 in here for now. The last two driver release, 8.4 and 8.5, have worked real well for me. These prices are great on current cards. Be interesting to see what retailers do with new eleases.

I almost bought a card you linked. The 9600GT will do me well for now. I like the fan. 8)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 16, 2008 1:04:21 AM

your better off with the 9600 like thegreat said, it has alot of potential, I have it in my backup system and I'm playing every game (except Crysis...) blazing:) .

Plus the G94 chip runs the coolest of the rest and drains the least amount of power and is also really quiet. You haven't heard loud till you hear a GX2 at 100% :| My a/c is drowned out LMAo.

It would also do you some good to look at the cheap 8800 GT and the 8800 GS.

See if you can find prices that vary:) 
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 1:12:42 AM

The teens around the neighborhood get a lot of my old cards. My son's buddy Jimmy got my my 1900GT. For free! His Dell gave out and sits in my garage. I threw an entire computer together for him and couldn't get the x800GTO to play WOW! So, I had to to 'give' him my 1900GT! He will RMA I'm sure. Remember Me Always. Ahh, he's a real good kid and deserves a break.
June 16, 2008 1:18:39 AM

Why not just wait a week and get an HD4850, that should be better than the 3870.
June 16, 2008 1:22:42 AM

yes but its 200+ lol, the cards I'm talking about are around 100-140.
June 16, 2008 2:08:26 AM

I just bought my 9600gt and I love it to death. I haven't run any benchies, but it does everything I need it to.
June 16, 2008 3:57:10 AM

9600 for 110 bucks is a steal.
June 16, 2008 4:15:36 AM

Badge I think you should dish out 1400$ for the 2 new 280 GTX:D  and then mail em to me.

Then I'll mail you my Voodoo 3 card AGP 4x and we call it even:) 
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 5:18:18 AM

L1qu1d said:
Badge I think you should dish out 1400$ for the 2 new 280 GTX:D  and then mail em to me.

Then I'll mail you my Voodoo 3 card AGP 4x and we call it even:) 


Liquid if my nose was runnin' money I'd blow it all on you, but its not.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=egCeIwjIuZM
June 16, 2008 5:24:23 AM

LOL smartass!!!!

EDIT: I'm going to say it again...Smartass :p  haha
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 5:40:50 AM

Well, I can be sarcastic. It's funny, this is only forum I participate in that is not related to humor. I have a rough time makingb the transition between the others and here on a daily basis. If I say anything here that is not serious and backed up by raw 'proof' I get hammered. Like if I said, "Fear of peas" is a good name for a rock band, a number of the guys on this forum wouldn't think it was funny. Watch.

Fear of peas is a good name for a rock band. So is Heroin Diaper. LOL.
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 5:51:22 AM

I see B_R is back. Not only did he not a provide a best review, he didn't provide any review to back up his assertion that 9600GT killz a radeon 3870. His thoughts were humorous though.
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 6:40:51 AM

rabidbunny said:
I just bought my 9600gt and I love it to death. I haven't run any benchies, but it does everything I need it to.


That's good to know rabidbunny. I'm looking forward to installing mine and enjoying it too.
June 16, 2008 10:54:14 AM

The 3870 is Dx 10.1 compliant, the 9600GT is not.
Whilst I only know of Assassin's Creed which uses the DX10.1 API that doesn't mean that more won't in the future.
June 16, 2008 10:08:44 PM

badge said:
Yeah, if I get the 9600GT I can install it in my backup system and give my son the 8800GTS 640. he uses XP with a 7900GTO, but some of his friends have mentioned they are gaming with VISTA now. I told him I can install VISTA 64 for him. he's using a 74GB raptor, so I hesitate to install V64 on there. I set up a VISTA 64 machine last week for my wife! LOL! I had to transfer 'everything' office/home from the socket 754 she has used for like the past five years. She was impressed! Do you belive that! She loves AERO and this morning I demonstrated the power of VISTA's search. I can pull up any file of any patient she has on the machine in a second.

I guess I will leave the 3870 in here for now. The last two driver release, 8.4 and 8.5, have worked real well for me. These prices are great on current cards. Be interesting to see what retailers do with new eleases.

I almost bought a card you linked. The 9600GT will do me well for now. I like the fan. 8)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Are you replacing a g80 8800gts 640mb with 9600gt? That's not a good idea. They perform nearly the same. You need at least a g92 8800gt for it to be worth an upgrade.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/02/g80-vs-g92-hi-end-ge...
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2008 10:54:00 PM

I'm not replacing a graphics card. I have four VISTA systems and I am going to add a fifth this week when I create a dual boot XP/Vista for mys son's gaming machine. He currently uses XP with a 7900GTO 512, Q6600 and 2 GB PC6400. I'm going to give him either the 8800GTS 640 or the 9600GT and install a second HD with VISTA 64, 2 x 2GB PC6400 (or 4 x 1GB I have) and the Q6600.

Yeah, I probably should have bought the 8800GT Grape Ape listed, it is a little more expensive though. The 9600 does use less power and at stock speeds hopefully lands on the cooler side. I could take the 8600GT out of my wife's Vista 64 and put the 9600GT in there? It's amicro build and the 9600Gt has a single slot rear exhaust cooler. Anyway, I feel good about getting a fourth DX10 card for all my Vista machines. Currently I have Radeon 3870, 8800GTS 640, 8600GT 256 and now this 9600GT. I have the five machines running Vista. Funny, I was just looking at some comparisons of the 8800GTS and the 9600GT.
a c 358 U Graphics card
June 17, 2008 12:02:27 AM

I was in a similar situation as you. I bought the 9600GT over the HD 3870. Below is a link to some benchmarks:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gigabyte-radeonhd3870-3850_7.html#sect0

The 9600GT overall is the better performer, but you need to focus on the type of games you want to play.

I can't really tell you how good it's performance is because I installed it in my HTPC, which at the moment is not being used for gaming; merely movies and music. I bought it in case I decide to play games on my HTPC instead of my primary PC (on a large HDTV). It also uses less power than the 3870, plus the ECS 9600GT came with a large passive heatsink which is important to me because I want my HTPC to be as silent as possible.

a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2008 12:32:26 AM

I built an HTPC about a year ago and have never used it as an HTPC, it's my back up computer LOL! I have a 40" Samsung 1080i 15000:1 screen too! I have been busy and never got around to hook the HTPC to my Sansung 1080i. I should say my wife and I are too tired anymore to watch a lot of movies like we used to. Funny. I think I will give my son the 8800GTS (currently in the HTPC) and use the 9600GT in there for the time being. Yeah, I like the idea of having a 9600GT and it's available power if I need it. Some kid in the neighborhood may eventually end up with it. Pretty good card for gaming if your 15 and don't have a lot of money.
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2008 12:42:29 AM

The most expensive video card I ever purchased was an ASUS 5950 Ultra for $375. I paid about the same though for one of my 7800GT's when they were first released. I still have them. I have two 7800GTs and was running them in SLI until I broke off a resistor on one of them. I had to solder it back and the card was acting up so I took it out and ran one 7800. Then I blew the bad card out and re-secured the broken resistor and installed it in an old 939 machine. It work perfect. I think my A8N32-SLI MB is running too hot, not the processor but the system causing the video cards to act up. They run fine seperated. So goes my video card scenario.
a c 358 U Graphics card
June 17, 2008 12:48:27 AM

The funny thing is that based on some benchmarks I've been comparing the 9600GT is about 10% - 15% more powerful than my X1900XT 512MB that's in my gaming machine.

I didn't stick the X1900XT in my HTPC 'cause it's too loud and gets too hot. I'll hold on it until it's performance is too low for my taste. Hopefully by then the 4xxx or the GTX 260 will be relatively less expensive. Not in the mood to dish out $400 - $450 right now.
June 17, 2008 1:47:35 AM

jaguarskx said:
The funny thing is that based on some benchmarks I've been comparing the 9600GT is about 10% - 15% more powerful than my X1900XT 512MB that's in my gaming machine.

I didn't stick the X1900XT in my HTPC 'cause it's too loud and gets too hot. I'll hold on it until it's performance is too low for my taste. Hopefully by then the 4xxx or the GTX 260 will be relatively less expensive. Not in the mood to dish out $400 - $450 right now.



Really? Hm..I never knew the 9600 is only 10-15 % faster... Funny how hardware works sometimes...
June 17, 2008 10:52:21 PM

Might as well keep the g80 8800gts and give your son the 9600gt. While it may perform slightly below 9600gt at stock, it overclocks better, which means better final performance. The kid won't know this, and will love you for giving him the "new" card.

:D 
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2008 11:19:21 PM

LOL, I just installed the 8800GTS, set it all up and loaded up Acronis and backed up the entire system! I am too lazy to install Vista 64 right now. Maybe over the holiday. I just couldn't exhaust myself with that install today. His MX518 mouse, G15 keyboard, D Link 2320 wireless card all have Vista 64 drivers. His old HP printer does not and his creative Audigy has 64 drivers, but they are crapola. I don't know if his headphones require a driver. Anyway, i'll get to it. I'm goint to do a dual boot with Vista 64 on his machine. I should have given him the 9600GT. That card is PCIE 2.0 (my X38 is too!). His P5B Deluxe is PCIE 16. That was my deciding factor. I'll see tonight how he likes it upgraded from the 7900GTO. Actually the GTO runs at 625 MHz andthe 8800GTS runs 575 MHz. The memory is at 2200MHz and 640MB on the 8800GTS. The 7900GT has 512MB DDR3, but at 1600MHz, I think.

Excuse my bad typing, been since 1967 since I had the class. 120+ words per minute with 5 mistakes back then. Not bad for a kid!

Oh, I installed the 9600GT in my 965G, e6600, dual boot HDMI back up. Great! I like it a lot! Runs cool at stock speeds too.
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2008 11:25:16 PM

I'm tempted to install the 9600GT in here (that's what I've been syaing and asking). In place of my radeon 3870.
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2008 11:29:45 PM

See, I moved the 8800GTS 640 out of my HDMI backup xp/Vista dual boot 965G and into my son's Q66600 P5B deluxe 965. That way I can install Vista 64 for him with a DX10 card and see how he likes gaming with Vista 64, had XP with the 7900GTO. By buying the 9600GT I can install it in my Vista/XP backup HDMI system and have a DX10 card. The 9600GT may be better than the card I have in here, my main system, Radeon 3870.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 12:23:21 PM

Ad I said before, replacing the 3870 is a waste of time. They are too close in performance to warrant a so called upgrade. It wasnt clear enough what you were asking, at first I thought you were implying to replace the 3870, then it seemed you were installing the 9600 in a different system and that would make me say for you to buy it.

Now its finally clear you actually want to replace the 3870 and I go back to my original answer, its a waste of time to buy it to replace the 3870. Wait for the new generation cards to come out and get a real upgrade. If they actually prove themselves to be an upgrade...
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 4:44:56 PM

Now it's clear? Clear you read poorly is about it.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 4:47:51 PM

So finally after 6 months, I hooked up my HDMI to my 40" Samsung 1080p. The new 9600GT works well at that task so far. May as well re-place my 3870 with the 9600GT (Englander comes back with new glasses). Squinting Englander says, "you actually want to replace the 3870 and I go back to my original answer." LOL.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 5:22:14 PM

Englandr 753, it was not until after I purchased the 9600GT from Newegg that I realized the card may be better than my 3870. That's when I posted the link asking the question. I did not purchase the 9600GT with the intention of replacing the radeon 3870. The thought only occured to me after I had bought the card and realized the two were close in performance. I was looking at cheaper cards on newegg, the 8400-8600 when I came across the 9600GT for $109 after rebate. I bought it with the intention of putting it in my HDMI and frreing up an 8800GTS 640 for my son. He uses XP and a 7900GT. Now I have installed the 8800GTS for him and he likes it. Now he can't wait for me to install Vista 64 which I will do as soon as I have time. The title of my link may be misleading. The 9600GT works really well on my 40" 1080p. I maxed out the resolution and all sliders and the card did a great job so far. I didn't mean to confuse. Thanks.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 5:25:02 PM

Have you considered an overclocked 8800 gs perhaps? I think the XFX version can be had on newegg for 110ish. Techpowerup showed it as beating a stock 8800gt when it was overclocked. I think the 8800gs that XFX has comes pre overclocked to 680 mhz on the core

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GeForce_8800_GS

I think it also gives you COD4 for free. I think they had an EVGA version clocked to 650 mhz on the core, but I think the memory is slightly faster.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 5:30:55 PM

Btw, I don't own this card, although I'm thinking about one based on benchmarks. It's probably either that, or a 9600gt, or 3870. But the the overclocked 8800gs looks to be a killer. You could grab a 9600gso, which is a rebranded 8800gs from what I understand and try to overclock that some more, though I don't think they come overclocked as high as the 8800gs. They do however have a decent deal on newegg, an ASUS 9600gso for 110, 20 dollar mail in rebate.

The only thing about the 8800gs and 9600 gso is that most of them only have 384 mb of video ram. That said, there is a 9600 gso floating around newegg with 768 mb of ram. But it's 160sih. IF they would bring out something clocked to say 650 mhz on the core with the 768 mb of video ram in the 9600 gso flavor, that card would probably thrash most cards under an 8800gt. Again, look at the benchies. Just throwing another option out there.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 6:05:45 PM

Yeah, we are delving into an area of price/performance with these cards and they are close to one another in perormance. Newegg has an EVGA 8600GT 256 (a little weak) that is $59 after rebate. I got it months ago for $49! Does a great job in my wife's new Vista 64 Micro/e8400 4 gigs. Liike I mentioned the 9600GT was a pleasant surprise so far. Does a nice job on the 40' maxed out. Of course, I have not run benchmarks or anyting. It idles at 40-42c in a smal HDMI Zalman 160. I thought about Grape Ape's suggestion I saw in another thread. But I wasn't set out to replace my 3870. This was available, I probably should have grabbed it. Would have run hotter though. I think the 9600GT would be a good choice if you are looking at 8800GS or 9600gso. 9600GT is a nice card at a nice price right now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 18, 2008 8:56:30 PM

badge said:
Yeah, we are delving into an area of price/performance with these cards and they are close to one another in perormance. Newegg has an EVGA 8600GT 256 (a little weak) that is $59 after rebate. I got it months ago for $49! Does a great job in my wife's new Vista 64 Micro/e8400 4 gigs. Liike I mentioned the 9600GT was a pleasant surprise so far. Does a nice job on the 40' maxed out. Of course, I have not run benchmarks or anyting. It idles at 40-42c in a smal HDMI Zalman 160. I thought about Grape Ape's suggestion I saw in another thread. But I wasn't set out to replace my 3870. This was available, I probably should have grabbed it. Would have run hotter though. I think the 9600GT would be a good choice if you are looking at 8800GS or 9600gso. 9600GT is a nice card at a nice price right now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Keep in mind that you CAN oc the stock clocked 9600gt to the SSc's speeds and then some. I just use evga's precision software and it works well for me. I don't know which brand of card you bought, but regardless they can be oc'd higher.
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