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Hello all,

I thought that before this got out of control on the forums I would try to put up as many of the review links as I could for the new arch and we could discuss it in one (if possible) or just a few forums. So here we go. I will update as I see more throughout the day. Others please do the same!

http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,1953.html
http://www.anandtech.com/video/sho [...] i=3334&p=1
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/arti [...] VzaWFzdA==

Updates:

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] rformance/
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?t [...] =577&pid=2
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] mp_Edition
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=13736
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/726/1/
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/ [...] index.html
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14934
http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Gr [...] X-280.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/gefo [...] view-test/
http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/i [...] &Itemid=31
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/569
http://www.hothardware.com/article [...] Unleashed/
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] l=es&tl=en
http://www.driverheaven.net/review [...] 9&pageid=1
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/for [...] eview.html
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/xfx_gtx280/
http://www.madboxpc.com/review-nvidia-geforce-gtx-280/
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=614
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index. [...] 9&Itemid=1
http://www.technic3d.com/article-6 [...] -serie.htm

Supplemental Charts from Rescator:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/foru [...] s#t1814344

Lets here the thoughts...

Best,

3Ball


Message edited by 3Ball on 06-16-2008 at 09:54:27 PM
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And Bumps !!! Already read anands, now time for THG. Its a nice GPU and all, cutting edge, but not so cool when faced with is price i guess. it will need to be watered down to gold in this forums.

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radnor wrote :

And Bumps !!! Already read anands, now time for THG. Its a nice GPU and all, cutting edge, but not so cool when faced with is price i guess. it will need to be watered down to gold in this forums.



I agree. I was planning on getting a GTX280 even at that price, but now I am not so sure. For $500 ish I wouldnt think twise, but $650 is another story. Especially since I want to get the EVGA FTW version that is ~10% faster.

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the gtx 280 only seems to hold a ground only when with higher resolutions. since i only play with 1680x1050 theres no point in getting it. i only would recommend if u play at very high res and enable all the eye candy (such as aa). and as for the drivers im sure the card will get better but how much can it improve with drivers 10%-15% still doesnt justify the price. i think im gonna get a 9800gx2 there cheap on newegg there like 450$.


the gtx260 for 400$ sounds like a good deal.
just my 2cent.

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Reply to invisik

Anand just ripped NV a new one. Nice work.

Reply to SpinachEater

What a disappointment.

:|

Then again, at $600 it's not like I was going to buy one anyway.

I hope ATI doesn't let us down again. *crosses fingers for HD4850*

Reply to NarwhaleAu

If the 4870 can get close or on par to the 260 they're going to have a strong offering, but I'm sure shortly before or after the 280 and the 260 will drop in price.

Reply to San Pedro

NV dropped the ball. This is the generation of GPUs where ATI can catch up.

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SpinachEater wrote :

NV dropped the ball. This is the generation of GPUs where ATI can catch up.




ya they did its kinda sad. but i dont get why they would charge 650$ for this thing it should be more like 500$.
if they lower it to that im sure alot of people would of bought the card. Hopefully ati releases a can of "whoop ass" on nvidia. lol
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Well I'll be damned if I buy an nVidia product after all the cheap shots they've been pulling on the market like removing DX 10.1 from AC...
I also don't give a damn about their TWIMTBP campaign and it makes me laugh to see ATi hardware playing those games even better.

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Far as i can gather from Toms review , the reason for the high price is partially because of the size of the die , so Nvidia has to make prices higher to recoup the cost of making the cards.Add in retail greed and insane mark ups and you got yourself an expensive card.As for the poor performance , I say wait and see ,let Nvidia tweek the drivers before saying they dropped the ball.

IMO AMD/ATI cards are gonna be cheaper but not as cheap as folks been saying and dreaming about , atleast not on the release date , so be patient wait for the retailers to get there fill and grab em once the drivers mature and prices drop.

Thats my 2 cents worth , Cheers

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SpinachEater wrote :

NV dropped the ball. This is the generation of GPUs where ATI can catch up.



Yup. Ive read a few reviews by now.
It doesn't seem too impressive from a Bang/Buck standpoint. Its a too big of a premium for DX10 quality (still not matching DX10.1) and there is a better bang/buck ratio out there. I would hardly shell out 650€/$ for 1 GPU and this one doesn't seem worthy for now. Still too close on the GX2 and on the 9800GTX series.

If the driver matures, it might be good. But Sli'ing this one might as flawed as Sli'ing 9800GX2. Now its time to be watered down by forum users, to pass the real benchmark. Our Benchmark.

Tick Tock, Tick Tock, waiting for Ati offerings now !!!


PS: good thing this ones are already out, some of the hype has vanished. I was getting sick of it.

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But honestly with drivers how much improvement is possible to achieve with just drivers 10-15% MAX??

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Reply to invisik

so far i have this conclusion to myself.

all GTX 280 will outperform any Single GPU available and the reference card OC to around 680/1280 but the AMP edition OC to 715/1300/2800+.

New heat monster(beat the GX2 not sure about Ultra) and money eater. Doesnt OC as high as the older cards due to number of transistor and heat problem.

I will wait for the die-shrink version to be honest. or at least the price come down.

Reply to iluvgillgill

what got me worry is will Nvidia stop updating their driver for the G92 cards and this will make the new G200 looks supremely superior as new drivers gets updated. that just what happen before to 8000 series when 9000 series card was out.

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$785 \ £400 here in the uk, :D $600 would see me buying straight away. Think I will be sitting and waiting to see what ATI's offerings bring to the market. Ive got until the end of july to make up my mind, hoping for a bit of a top end price drop before too long.

Im definetely looking more for single gpu performance than sli \ crossfire due to my regular games not working with sli \ crossfire.

The GT260 doesnt seem enough upgrade from my 8800gtx to be worth paying £260 for. If I go nvidia for the new card it will be the gtx280, but not at launch sadly.

Probably for the best Ive just restarted playing a 5 year old game :D that will keep me busy for a month or two.

I suspect anyone with a 8800GTX sli rig might well be sitting back for a while longer yet.

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invisik wrote :

ya they did its kinda sad. but i dont get why they would charge 650$ for this thing it should be more like 500$.
if they lower it to that im sure alot of people would of bought the card. Hopefully ati releases a can of "whoop ass" on nvidia. lol
=]



It is the manufacturing process. Their yields per wafer are low so the production costs are high. But yeah...the pricing doesn't make sense since the GX2 is less and performs better in most tests.

iluvgillgill wrote :

what got me worry is will Nvidia stop updating their driver for the G92 cards and this will make the new G200 looks supremely superior as new drivers gets updated. that just what happen before to 8000 series when 9000 series card was out.



Yep, that is the name of the game.


Message edited by SpinachEater on 06-16-2008 at 04:38:30 PM
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Hopefully AMD will take this opportunity to invest in its graphics division this year and make it back out of the hole.

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i actually hope AMD spend all their or at least most of their funding and resources on GPU rather then their lacking CPU line up.

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theres no point in me upgrading my 9800gx2 broke newegg gave me a refund luckily so i think im gonna repurchase the 9800gx2 all my games are maxed out except u no that game "crysis" so im gonna order it maybe tonite or tomorrow anyone wanna persuade me into getting something else my budget is 550$ or less.

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dtq wrote :

$785 \ £400 here in the uk,



dont forget we UK here will pay premium over what it cost everywhere around the world. Im going toi china for holiday. things are cheaper there. anyone want anything?:P £200 GTX 280!LOL

Reply to iluvgillgill

invisik wrote :

theres no point in me upgrading my 9800gx2 broke newegg gave me a refund luckily so i think im gonna repurchase the 9800gx2 all my games are maxed out except u no that game "crysis" so im gonna order it maybe tonite or tomorrow anyone wanna persuade me into getting something else my budget is 550$ or less.



yea i would wait maybe a price drop will happen soon :sarcastic:

Reply to gadgetnerd

so how much would it cost for the Evga upgrade program from a 9800GTX or 9800GX2 to the GTX 280? and what do they do with the old cards? i never know that part! they dont repackage them and sell it do they?:S

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iluvgillgill wrote :

so how much would it cost for the Evga upgrade program from a 9800GTX or 9800GX2 to the GTX 280? and what do they do with the old cards? i never know that part! they dont repackage them and sell it do they?:S

 

Its called Refurbished. Its a nifty process. Every maker and brand in this market does it quite a bit. So don't seem shocked !!

 

Edit: By this market i don't refer to GPUs, but to informatics as a whole.


Message edited by radnor on 06-16-2008 at 04:49:12 PM
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LOL eVGA step-up from 9800GX2 to GTX 280... Pay $150 and shipping, live without a card for a while, and end up with fewer fps. I just don't see it happening much.

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chris312 wrote :

Hopefully AMD will take this opportunity to invest in its graphics division this year and make it back out of the hole.



Unfortunately, AMD doesn't have any money to invest in its graphics division, ATI. Its having to use all its money for paying bills. That's probably the main reason Anandtech said that ATI is settling on a role of providing med-level, mid-priced cards.

As the this new Nvidia card, I'm so disappointed that I think someone, of some design team, at Nvidia should be fired. To still refuse to include DX10.1 is simple arrogance. They are basically telling Microsoft to get lost. To then provide a card that doesn't perform as well as their top cards from previous generations, and then charge a fortune for it defies sense. It leaves a question of "Why"?

I can hardly wait to see the reviews on the 4870. I won't try to say that it will outperform Nvidia, but on a price/performance ration, it should be much better. And who knows, it would really end up as a coup de ta' if the 4870 did do better, at a lower price.

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yeah, if the deneb..or wtf they call it is released and decent, my mobo would be happy, it would get to be all AMD...lol

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Sailer wrote :

Unfortunately, AMD doesn't have any money to invest in its graphics division, ATI. Its having to use all its money for paying bills. That's probably the main reason Anandtech said that ATI is settling on a role of providing med-level, mid-priced cards.

As the this new Nvidia card, I'm so disappointed that I think someone, of some design team, at Nvidia should be fired. To still refuse to include DX10.1 is simple arrogance. They are basically telling Microsoft to get lost. To then provide a card that doesn't perform as well as their top cards from previous generations, and then charge a fortune for it defies sense. It leaves a question of "Why"?

I can hardly wait to see the reviews on the 4870. I won't try to say that it will outperform Nvidia, but on a price/performance ration, it should be much better. And who knows, it would really end up as a coup de ta' if the 4870 did do better, at a lower price.



Yea I expected better. I thought that the card would atleast be 10 - 20% better than the 9800GX2 on average. I do not like the idea of a dual GPU solution, but I am looking to upgrade my GPU sometime this summer. When I go back to school...who knows what will happen to my money, so I can maybe hold off until early august before I make my decision. Alas, this has made things much more difficult... Damn you nVidia! lol

Best,

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Message edited by 3Ball on 06-16-2008 at 05:09:14 PM
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It looks like I'm sticking to my GX2.

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Heh, my master plan for SLi 8800GT is looking better by the day. Well see what 4870 does.

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iluvgillgill wrote :

dont forget we UK here will pay premium over what it cost everywhere around the world. Im going toi china for holiday. things are cheaper there. anyone want anything?:P £200 GTX 280!LOL



Bring back some 280 knock offs from the street venders. :whistle:

Reply to SpinachEater

Sailer wrote :

... for it defies sense.



So beautifully put. This is an abomination...an adulteration...we must only react with a defenestration!!

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Man it’s crazy.
I have wanted to give Nvida $600 or $700 since the 99xx series.
If only they had put enough ram on the 9800x2 they would have gotten my money then.
So I waited and thought that it would be better to have a single card anyway. I was sure that the 280 would be at least as good as the 9800x2.
Maybe now someone will put a gig of 2 ram on a 9800x2….somebody, anybody?
Hopefully there will be a super OC version of the 280 that can make it worthwhile.
But now I will probably be waiting to see how the ATI cards look.
Damn, nothing worse than having the money to upgrade and wanting to upgrade but just not being able to justify doing it.
I was really hoping for another 8800gtx type of card.
Poe


Message edited by PDXPoe on 06-16-2008 at 05:40:23 PM
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overall its some very smart but dirty marketing tatics Nvidia has used. anyone disagree with that? at the end of the day in their view they want to fight off competition(they did already) and make money(they did also). Business is not charity so i really dont blame any businesses operating out there.

But there are speculation that the G200 cards will drop in price in a month time from release due to the fack that the RV700 is release near the end of the month.

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how much do u expect the gtx 280 to drop?
i doubt less then the 9800gx2 which is pretty much on par.

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I find it ironic that NV was the one that said they didn't want to focus on dual GPU solutions because something along the lines of a newer single GPU is always better.....Hmmm....what? [:mousemonkey:2]

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SpinachEater wrote :

I find it ironic that NV was the one that said they didn't want to focus on dual GPU solutions because something along the lines of a newer single GPU is always better.....Hmmm....what? [:mousemonkey:2]



Its is !!! Just isn't hardly what we were expecting. I love when all the hype just goes in smoke. I really do. Come Nehalem and Bulldozer !!! So we all can keep our X2/Core2 !!!! :kaola:

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radnor wrote :

Its is !!! Just isn't hardly what we were expecting. I love when all the hype just goes in smoke. I really do. Come Nehalem and Bulldozer !!! So we all can keep our X2/Core2 !!!! :kaola:




Al least the Nahalem preview showed it FASTER at the same clock...so worst case is it's not SLOWER than what we have now on most things. I was really hoping for NV..but boo on the "futureproof" spin !

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radnor wrote :

Its is !!! Just isn't hardly what we were expecting. I love when all the hype just goes in smoke. I really do. Come Nehalem and Bulldozer !!! So we all can keep our X2/Core2 !!!! :kaola:



thats cold!lol

but intel dont usually disappoint us like AMD and Nvidia. now make me look forward to Larrabee now!haha

Reply to iluvgillgill

Larrabbee....that will be interesting. Well, we now see what all of the smoke screen bs was about that was coming from the NV side.

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Looks like NVidia pulled a 2900XT on us. I guess it isn't that bad, but it reminds me of it. I just hope ATI/retailers doesn't raise the price of the 4870 much more. I didn't think that the 4870 had a chance, but after seeing this I still doubt it will win, but it should be a good fight.

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iluvgillgill wrote :

thats cold!lol

but intel dont usually disappoint us like AMD and Nvidia. now make me look forward to Larrabee now!haha



Going a bit off topic , i know, but we are talking about disappointments.

Nevah !! Intel is da shait !!

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- Intel 740i
- USB 1.0 (Plug'n'Pray started there)
- The Tualatin cores !!! They were really great.......nobody found out what for.....
- The First Itanium !!
- Vista Capable !! ( yes a GMA 900 to 965 can do Aero and Fully play DX10 and DX10.1)
- Anti-trust monopolizing pricing and rebates, Never !!
- USB 3.0 (wait and see)

And that is from the top of my head while im working !!! Sorry about being so sarcastic but i was really getting fed up with the Hype and silly arguments discussion. Now we can Iron out the real hardware.

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Reply to radnor

Ati's 4870 is only supposed to be a bit better (if that) then Nvidia's GTX 260 for ~$350, Nvidia is charging $400 for their card and are first to market so i don't really see what anyone is hoping for. Im sure the GTX 280 and GTX 260 will drop down to 600/ 350 real quick but i really wouldn't expect anything until ATI makes their 4870x2 and put's some pressure on Nvidia's highend.

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actually the 4870 is ranked a bit higher than the 9800 GTX fro the benchmarks I've seen. lol

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Yeah it should be a close race this time around.

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yep.history repeat itself!lol

looks like GTX280 threads have already gone out of hand in this forum!lolYOU FAILED 3BALLS!!!LOL

Reply to iluvgillgill

L1qu1d wrote :

actually the 4870 is ranked a bit higher than the 9800 GTX fro the benchmarks I've seen. lol



and GTX260 is above 9800GTX and 3870X2

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yup

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I'm disappointed with the new card and how it performs; I wanted a card that I can finally use to play Crysis on Very High, but it looks like this card barely manages 35FPs in Crysis on High 1920x1200 with no antialiasing. No purchase from me Nvidia, thanks; I use to upgrade my GPU annually but now it's been almost two whole years since my last upgrade.

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Add this ones aswell 3Ball

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280
@ AnandTech
@ TweakTown
@ InsideHW
@ Guru3D
@ Elite Bastards
@ Hardware Secrets
@ Hot Hardware
@ Chile Hardware
@ Driver Heaven
@ Hardware Canucks
@ Overclockers Club
@ MADBOXPC
@ The Tech Report
@ t-break
@ Benchmark Reviews
@ Technic3D
@ Legit Reviews

Complete list:
http://www.dailytech.com/6162008+D [...] e12100.htm

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