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It would cost me $130 to stepup to a GTX280 from my current card, a 9800gx2. I've been pretty happy with my gx2, but the only problem I have is the sometimes low frame rates in games like Age of Conan. I'll get anywhere from 15-80fps on Age of Conan (outside.... 150fps inside of buildings). On the highend the FPS is great, but sometimes it dips very low and even starts to stutter. Is it worth it to upgrade?

Also, I don't have all of the original packaging which EVGA says they require. I have the CDs and spare parts, but I threw out the things like the packaging cardboard and anti-static bag. Will EVGA screw me or should I be alright, assuming I still pack the card decently?

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I don't think it's worth $130, especially if that is before shipping.

Reply to San Pedro

It is including shipping, although I guess it is only shipping from EVGA back to me, and it'll be another $5-10 to ship it to them.

Reply to jimmypetro

no it really isnt worth to step up the card u have is really good. the gtx280 is on pretty much on par with urs. And if you want to step up i think u would be ok because its just minor things missing there pretty flexible. Age of Conan is that demanding does it really look that good?

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Reply to invisik

Not in any way worth $130..

Reply to itheral

Age of Conan looks pretty nice, but I think it is just coded terribly rather than really pushing the technical limits. Crysis looks much better and runs at a much higher framerate for me... granted Age of Conan is a MMO, but it still shouldn't put that much strain on my card imo.

Reply to jimmypetro

Don't do it. The 9800GX2 is actually a better card. The only advantages of the GTX 280 are lower power consumption when idle and better scaling in SLI. If you only have one 9800GX2 you will actually lose some fps if you replace it with a GTX 280. OK, I don't know about AoC, but that's what I saw in the benchmarks from other games. Read the GTX 280 reviews for yourself, for example at www.anandtech.com.


Message edited by aevm on 06-17-2008 at 10:47:21 PM
Reply to aevm

The problem is most likely not the GPU, online games like that are MUCH more CPU and RAM demanding than regular games. If you play something online that is one thing, but a game like AoC constantly updates and the world itself changes constantly, it is not just fragging some fool on CS:S, that is a very static situation where an MMO is a very dynamic one. List total system specifications and lets see if we can boost some performance, hopefully without you purchasing anything.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

Actually Age of Conan works guiet nice with 280. It's very game dependant where 9800gx2 or 280 is better...
But is it worth of it, hard to say.

Reply to hannibal

Full system stats:

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780i Mobo
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Reply to jimmypetro

From the test results here on Tom's Hardware, I'd say send me the $130 rather than stepping up. We'll call it even :) If you want to waste $130 I'd rather it go to a good cause. LOL

Seriously though, the results on that GTX 280 weren't very impressive to me. Some of it may be due to early driver versions, but still. Take that $130 and put it towards your account dues for AoC. My 8800GTS (G92) plays AoC fine on "High" (shadows reduced). I can only imagine your 9800GX2 is plenty.

Can always reduce the view distance on AoC from 15 miles to 10 miles. :) (Seriously, you can see a long ways in that game).

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Reply to jerreece

The GTX 280 really shines when using AA and AF. I would pay the extra $130 because I like high qually images without jaggadies.

Reply to babybudha

Thanks for that WR2. Even though I think I may get higher minimum frames with the gtx280, I'm not going to be paying $140 for minimal gains. I still have 60 days left on my stepup, so who knows, maybe there will be a price drop or some kind of new card before that time is up... and if not, no biggie. I'm happy with my 9800gx2 for the most part.

Reply to jimmypetro

it won't be a step up.. just save the money and see what's ati will have to offer...

but seriously... changing your 9800 gx2 at this point seem silly..
you won't gain that much of performance no matter what you'll buy...

btw. you may wanna try to OC your q6700 ..
though I'm not sure how much processing power does
AoC needs..

(15 fps with such system seems really odd.. )

Reply to foxhound009

foxhound009 wrote :


btw. you may wanna try to OC your q6700


I agree. These latest videocards really scale well with what CPU you are using. I think you are holding your cards back bigtime at 2.67Ghz. I would aim for at least 3.2Ghz. That would be a 20% increase in CPU clock speed, and I bet you would see at least a 15% increase in FPS.

Reply to babybudha

The price and performance issues aside, there are two reasons that actually speak for stepping up.

 

1. Some games actually run better on single card solutions until Nvidia spends enough time to tweak it's drivers. So in some games the GTX might be superior. This will be especially true for new games and games that go under the radar.

 

2. Since you have a SLI capable mainboard, it is worthy to note that SLI scales a whole lot better than quad-sli. Your rig is quite top of the line and by that, it seems, money is not really the limiting factor. If you have a big screen or run at insane resolutions, a GTX 280 SLI option would probably superior to a quad SLI solution - not to mention that, the GTX memory package (bus, amount, etc.) is worlds ahead of a GX2 which makes it a lot more "future proof".

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Message edited by Slobogob on 06-18-2008 at 12:00:01 AM
Reply to Slobogob

at 1920x1200, your 9800GX2 will allow it to run at 2xAA while GTX 280 allows 8x AA and more things enabled to the max,. You can also run at 2560x1600 with the GTX 280 with 4xAA.

Reply to pcgamer12

I find Age of Conan is not too CPU depend. I had a Q6600 clocked at 3GHz, xfx8800GTS G92 and 4GB RAM (win XP 32bit), I run conan on high settings, no bloom and shader 3 and get 30-70fps outside (dropping to 18fps at worst) and 60-130fps inside. To see if the CPU made any difference I clocked higher; 3GHz to 3.4GHz and it made no difference what so ever.
So I don't believe Age of Conan is CPu depend, I believe it more GPU than anything else :)

just my experience :)

Reply to onefatsac

jimmypetro wrote :

I'm not going to be paying $140 for minimal gains. I still have 60 days left on my stepup, so who knows, maybe there will be a price drop

or maybe improved drivers that will give a nice bump up in performance. So its worth keeping the StepUp option in mind and watching out for any more info on how the driver updates are doing.

 

Reply to WR2

I never said it was MORE CPU dependent, just more so than most games. His system seems fine and should be overkill, though the CPU screams for some overclocking, regardless. Ok, OP I want you to find a place that stresses that system then randomize the port that AoC uses, should be in settings. Do this a few times and see if there is any change, if there is then we know you must tweak the port until it is at it's fastest speed. Also Nvidia motherboards have some network software that smooths the internet connection in games, this lowers the max FPS and heightens the minimum FPS, in theory. Before all this you should make sure ALL drivers are updated, those network drivers can cause a little bit of harm in this instance. If nothing else look up patches and setting configurations for your hardware to see if others are having similar problems. MMOs can be a pain in the neck, among other places.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

Slobogob wrote :

The price and performance issues aside, there are two reasons that actually speak for stepping up.

1. Some games actually run better on single card solutions until Nvidia spends enough time to tweak it's drivers. So in some games the GTX might be superior. This will be especially true for new games and games that go under the radar.

2. Since you have a SLI capable mainboard, it is worthy to note that SLI scales a whole lot better than quad-sli. Your rig is quite top of the line and by that, it seems, money is not really the limiting factor. If you have a big screen or run at insane resolutions, a GTX 280 SLI option would probably superior to a quad SLI solution - not to mention that, the GTX memory package (bus, amount, etc.) is worlds ahead of a GX2 which makes it a lot more "future proof".



True enough, though right now 2 9800 GX2s and 2 GTX280s pretty much tie each other, and in time I still think the difference wont be there. Also if the OP SLIs them he is in for more of a money problem, 2 GTX280s require atleast a 1200w PSU and an EXTREMELY cool case, cooler than an open-air set up! Even then you can only gain so much, that GPU should be fine, I still think it is something else.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

^Who said GTX280's in SLI needs AT LEAST 1200w? Yes they are very power hungry, but I doubt they need at least a 1200w PSU.

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Reply to SuicideSilence

SuicideSilence wrote :

^Who said GTX280's in SLI needs AT LEAST 1200w? Yes they are very power hungry, but I doubt they need at least a 1200w PSU.



anadtech said their 1000watt couldnt power 2 GTX 280's in their rig

Reply to BaCoSs

WOW really?! Sorry i doubted you raven.

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Reply to SuicideSilence

I would call it a step down if you aren't using 30" displays.

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Reply to marvelous211

GTX280 will beat anything in SLI. even 2 9800 gtx2's

only get GTX280 if u can sli. if not dont do it.

Reply to gadgetnerd

jimmypetro wrote :

Full system stats:

9800GX2
Q6700 (Quad-core @ 2.67ghz)
4gb RAM (PC6400)
10,000 RPM Raptor HD
780i Mobo
750W PC power & cooling PSU
Vista 64bit




Jimmy, you might want to either upgrade your Proc or Overclock it to near 3.0Ghz or greater. I play conan often, I have a GX2 and a E6600 @3.4Ghz. Recently, I have been having Bios problems, so my CPU is back to stock speeds (2.4Ghz). The difference in AOC right now is DRASTIC. AOC (from my experience) is very CPU/RAM dependent. When my CPU is at 3.4 I can get excellent frames at Highest settings at 1920 resolution. When it is at 2.4 I have to set my vid settings to MEDIUM just to get decent frames. I'm just trying to help, you need a faster Proc, the GX2 is not the culprit.

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Reply to annisman

The_Blood_Raven wrote :

2 GTX280s require atleast a 1200w PSU and an EXTREMELY cool case, cooler than an open-air set up! Even then you can only gain so much, that GPU should be fine, I still think it is something else.

GTX 280 SLI do not require "at least a 1200W PSU". There are 1000W PSUs on the certified list @ http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html
And how do you get "an EXTREMELY cool case, cooler than an open-air set up" ?? The best you're ever going to do is get the case temps equal to an open air setup (ambient temperature). And I haven't seen anything saying that is an actual requirement for GTX 280SLI.

  

Reply to WR2

BaCoSs wrote :

anadtech said their 1000watt couldnt power 2 GTX 280's in their rig

Yes but they didnt say why their OCZ 1000W couldnt get the job done.
They posted this chart for the GTX 280 single and SLI power usage:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/geforcegtx200launch_061408203021/17067.png
from: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3334&p=22

  

Reply to WR2
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