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May 29, 2008 2:35:10 PM

hi, i intend to build a new rig for gaming, video streaming and surfing net..
thinking of doing a little bit of ocing on my processor..

this is what im thinking of..

x2 5000+ BE with palit n68s OR x2 5000+ BE with biostar 690.
xpertvision 9600gt 512mb
160 western digital harddisk
lg 20x dvd-rw
1x2G twinmos 800
TA-891 with coolermaster 460w


any comment on this budget rig??? is it better for the processor to pair up with palit or biostar? will the palit mb be a bottleneck for the graphic card and processor??

thanks

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May 29, 2008 2:57:38 PM

What is your budget? What parts do you already have (e.g. monitor, kb, mouse).
Unless you're planning to get another 2GB stick very soon, it is better to have two RAM sticks than just one in order to operate in dual channel mode.
An Intel system will likely be faster, and would be preferred for your application(s) unless you have severe budget constraints, or other reason for choosing AMD. What games do you want to play?
Most CoolerMaster PSUs are on tier-5 ("Do not buy") of the list at http://www.tomswiki.com/page/Tiered+PSU+Listings?t=anon. Choose one from tier-3 or better. 450W-500W should be sufficient for a single GPU.
May 29, 2008 3:07:58 PM

Well if I had to choose between AMD and Intel at this stage I would pick intel. I was all about AMD until the C2D's were released and then I made the switch. The x2 5000 is considerably cheaper, but I would spend 100 more on the processor and get something you are going to really enjoy with Intel. Here is what I would recommend changing:

CPU:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$179.99

MOBO:
ASUS P5B
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$94.99

GPU:
MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800 GT 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$184.99(after mail-in rebate 159.99)

Aside from those three your Power Supply is 460w, but I would look at getting at least a 650w. It is better to have paid a few extra bucks and have enough power than not to have enough power. It can put a strain on your equipment running with less than minimum power required. Anyhow hope the above has helped you some :)  !

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May 29, 2008 3:15:09 PM

If your going to get a new motherboard, I'd get one that has the latests features. more so for AMD.

AMD 780g and nVidia 8200 based motherboards have hyper transport 3.0, so if you decide to upgrade to a phenom or better in the future, it will be fully suported by the motherboard.

I don't realy know much about Palit at all. Biostar has made some good OCing boards in the past. do some rearch look for reviews of the boards you considering and see if it has good OCing features. unless they have PCIe x8 instead of x16, they wont bottleneck. the question is can you OC with them.

don't forget a heatsink for the CPU if you don't already have an AMD heatsink.

I agree with the RAM comment. I'd rather have 4 gigs of cheap ram than 2 gigs in single channel. I might even go with 2 x1, then sell em when you want to upgrade down the road. if your getting a 32 bit OS, might as well get 2x1 gig, and pick up 2x 512 to add down the road.
May 29, 2008 3:47:07 PM

I would also go Intel, but I can't think of any reason to get an E6750 processor. Get a "current gen" processor like the E8400 ($195), or step down to the E7200 ($130). Even the E8200 ($185) would be a better choice (same clock speed, 45nm technology, more cache, SSE 4.1) than the E6750. Heck, the E6850 is only $5 more ($185), and runs at 3GHz instead of 2.66...

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May 30, 2008 12:00:23 PM

hi.. thanks for all the comment..

-The reason i choose 5000+BE and the mb is because of budget constraint.. my budget is around $800+ in SGD. And AMD is cheaper than INTEL :D 

-As im only going to do some minor ocing, that's why i choose the 5000+BE, as i'v heard others be able to oc it to 3.0ghz.

-For the ram, i will take note of the 2*1G ram...

-And as for the PSU, i will take note as well.. thanks

-Probably, the game i'm going to play will be the upcoming RO2, starcraft2, and some 3d graphic online games (in mid graphic quality)

thanks alot:D 
May 30, 2008 1:45:09 PM

I still think you're better off with something like the E7200, but that's your decision to make (and you asked for suggestions). The E7200 beat the AMD 6000+ on most benchmarks in this review (http://techreport.com/articles.x/14573), meaning you'll have to get about a 20% overclock just to get to the same level. But the E7200 will likely overclock 33% (up to 3.0GHz as well, up from 2.53), so you won't gain much.

From what I've seen, overclocking the current AMD processors is pretty limited compared to the current Intel processors. Getting a 15% overclock is doing pretty good with AMD. Getting 25% on Intel is about as easy, or even easier.

Clint
May 30, 2008 2:34:14 PM

CNeufeld said:
I still think you're better off with something like the E7200, but that's your decision to make (and you asked for suggestions). The E7200 beat the AMD 6000+ on most benchmarks in this review (http://techreport.com/articles.x/14573), meaning you'll have to get about a 20% overclock just to get to the same level. But the E7200 will likely overclock 33% (up to 3.0GHz as well, up from 2.53), so you won't gain much.

From what I've seen, overclocking the current AMD processors is pretty limited compared to the current Intel processors. Getting a 15% overclock is doing pretty good with AMD. Getting 25% on Intel is about as easy, or even easier.

Clint


hi.. thanks for ur suggestion,

as to why i choose the 5000 BE is because that.. i only know how to oc by changing multiplier..=='''

if you ask me to change the fsb or the voltage or oc the ram to, i don't know how to go about doing it.. thats the reason why i choose AMD, as ocing is easier for me...:D 

and inorder to oc into a stage whereby you have to increase the voltage, you need to have better cooling system, so is another problem for me as well, due to fact that i'm on budget. So i intend to use only stock voltage for ocing...:D 

because of my budget constraint, no choice but to choose AMD..:( (

*edit
budget wise, if i decide to use E7200, i have to pair it with N73P.
N73P, is it a good MB?

between 5000+BE with biostar690 and E7200 with N73P, which 1 is a better choice?

thanks
May 30, 2008 3:29:41 PM

When I've overclocked my last Intel processors, it's been a matter of increasing the FSB from 266 to 333, and you're done. Or from 333 to 400. No touching of the voltages, etc.

But what the heck, it's your money, and I'm glad someone's supporting AMD. Competition is good. :) 

Clint
May 30, 2008 4:43:49 PM

you should realize that the BE does NOT come with a heatsink. you have to pick up an aftermarket one, or use one you already have one from an old AMD system.

I have changed my FSBs on my last 2 AMD CPUs by atleast 25% at stock voltage with AMD coolers
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