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Graphics Card Help (8800 vs 4850)

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June 18, 2008 10:40:41 PM

Hi,

My current system specs are

Motherboard: Gigabyte P35-Ds3l
Processor: Intel e8400 @ 3.6ghz
RAM: 4gb OCZ PC 6400
Hard drive: 320gb 7200 rpm
GPU: Diamond ATI RADEON HD 3850 (256mb)
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium x64
Games I primarily play: TF2, Quake Wars, Unreal Tournament, Crysis, most new stuff

So anyway, I've decided that i want to get a new graphics card as my 3850 does not cut it anymore, i've overclocked and it's just not giving me the results i've wanted. I purchased a Zotac 8800gt AMP! edition last week and it's overclocked to 700mhz/2000mhz (fyi). I'm on vacation currently so the card has yet to be opened. The card cost me $145 from Newegg. I just learned that the 4850 will be coming out on the 25th and i'm wondering if it makes sense to buy that card. When i got my 3850 it had heat issues and the drivers were buggy for 2 months, but if the performance will be significantly better than an 8800gt (overclocked) then i'll get that card.

What do you think? I can return the card to Newegg for full price and my budget was $200 so a 4850 is nothing extreme. I just remember that my 3850's fan speed doesn't go over 25% and the drivers were poor and glitchy for months. I don't want to use rivatuner.



Thanks for any help,
Mersonix
June 18, 2008 10:43:26 PM

4850 is not significantly better than 8800gt. Either go for 4870 or keep the 8800gt.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2008 10:52:59 PM

hard to tell havent seen benchmark for the ati cards but the 4850 will be faster then the 8800gt dont no how much maybe 15-20% just guessing.
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June 18, 2008 10:53:08 PM

dagger said:
4850 is not significantly better than 8800gt. Either go for 4870 or keep the 8800gt.


really? i've read reports of the 4850 being around the same level as the 9800GTX. not sure how accurate that is tho.
June 18, 2008 10:53:12 PM

thanks for your input, i was looking at a french preview and data showed the 4850 to be betwen -10/+20 in FPS difference, i don't honestly think that that is worth $50 and the Zotac card is overclocked 100 mhz so i guess my card is the way to go, plus i can just slide it in instead of more waiting since it's at my house.

anyone else have other thoughts?

even if you agree please post,
June 18, 2008 10:57:45 PM

actually, more data seems to show that a 4850 is the better way to go. this is killing me- this is why i posted.

overclocked 8800gt or 4850 (which i could potentially overclock)
June 18, 2008 10:58:42 PM

Nik_I said:
really? i've read reports of the 4850 being around the same level as the 9800GTX. not sure how accurate that is tho.

Yes, that's true. But the problem is, 9800gtx = g92 8800gts, and is only around 10% faster than 8800gt at stock. 10% is not worth a $200 upgrade.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/04/03/geforce-9800gtx-revi...
June 18, 2008 11:03:29 PM

My 8800gt comes factory overclocked and it's about equal to which ever 8800 is the best. (i sound like a brat saying that), So is this correct

My OC'd 8800gt = 8800GTX = 9800GTX = 4850

except the 4850 is hot and has buggy drivers so it makes sense to keep my card?
June 18, 2008 11:10:04 PM

mersonix said:
My 8800gt comes factory overclocked and it's about equal to which ever 8800 is the best. (i sound like a brat saying that), So is this correct

My OC'd 8800gt = 8800GTX = 9800GTX = 4850

except the 4850 is hot and has buggy drivers so it makes sense to keep my card?

Not sure about hot and buggy, but otherwise correct.
June 18, 2008 11:14:58 PM

well i've read hot, and i quote myself the day after i installed my 3850 "I am never, ever f***ing buying an ATI product again" i returned 2 3850s because i thought they weren't working correctly, they were, the drivers were bad. So it looks like everything is alright. I can finally play quake wars.

What should I download for my 8800gt

do i download drivers in advance
what drivers do i get
will i need riva tuner or ntune

thanks for any help
June 18, 2008 11:36:33 PM

mersonix said:
well i've read hot, and i quote myself the day after i installed my 3850 "I am never, ever f***ing buying an ATI product again" i returned 2 3850s because i thought they weren't working correctly, they were, the drivers were bad. So it looks like everything is alright. I can finally play quake wars.

What should I download for my 8800gt

do i download drivers in advance
what drivers do i get
will i need riva tuner or ntune

thanks for any help

Don't you already have a 8800gt?

And you can download driver in advance. Don't install it until you put the card in, of course. Use the latest non-beta driver. Use Rivatuner, it's easier and more stable than ntune.
June 18, 2008 11:51:16 PM

when do i unistall the current drivers and take out my 3850.

i'm currently on vacation and i'll install everything friday or saturday
June 19, 2008 12:06:40 AM

hey mersonix,
I've been reading your post and if I were you I would go with the 4850! It's Direct X 10.1 compare to Nvida Direct X 10! It's a newer generation card! And lately, ATI has been fixing their drivers better than ever. Im currently looking to spend about $200 and im targeting the 4850! Two 4850 Ati cards beat the GTX280 by 30% in performance and cost a lot less and use less power! Due your research and you will find out! You can purchase a 4850 for $189 and heres the link http://fxvideocards.com/Sapphire-HD-Radeon-4850-p-16386...

The 4850 is already performing better than the 9800GTX on the french website you were talking about. Anyways, its up to you. This is just my 2cent!
a b U Graphics card
June 19, 2008 1:57:48 AM

Wow, that's surprising about your ATI driver woes. I've never had an issue with them compared to my old NVidia driers. As to hot, this is partially due to subpar cooling paste and mediocre cooling on the 50's. I've heard if you replace the paste on the 4850, it can reduce temps somewhat. In fact, I'd guess that the 4850 will use less power than a G92. Still, an 8800GT is a great card and I'd probably stick with it is I had one, though it is really too early to tell. Real benches should be out next week.
June 19, 2008 2:47:17 AM

Thanks guys, i'll stick with the 8800gt (4850 may be better). Both cards are great, and after talking with some smart people and having them help me look at benchmakrs, it looks like both cards will run anything you throw at them so it doesn't matter which you have. Also paying to ship the card back to Newegg and the 15% restocking fee is a factor.

Well, i'll install the cards saturday after work, and i'll give you my verdict then.

thanks for all the help folks,
Mersonix

P.S.

Where can I sell my 3850?
June 20, 2008 12:25:06 AM

You can sell it at Ebay.
I don't really know which to get.

Im stuck at the 4850, 8800gt , 8800gts, 9800GTXa

I am waiting for the 4870 just to see the benchies.
June 26, 2008 6:08:50 PM

Get the 4850 $200 or the 4870 $310 Alfrido.
I just bought a 8800gtx along with a Accellero Extreme 8800.before ATI's new cards came out.S***!,got areal good deal though
June 26, 2008 6:31:00 PM

Quote:
8800GT OC beats 4850 though, with cheaper price tag.


since when does an 8800 beat a 4850 performance wise? Better price, yes. Better performance, no.
June 26, 2008 6:44:19 PM

It's close but the 4850 does beat an 8800GT.
June 26, 2008 6:59:16 PM

I'd probably go for the 8800GT too. Though every review I've looked at puts the 4850 slightly ahead, I don't think it'd be enough to warrant another $50 for me. Unless the picture changes after driver optimizations.
June 26, 2008 6:59:21 PM

how about the 4850 oced? with decent cooling.
September 30, 2008 1:13:25 AM

You CAN'T compare 112 stream processor units from the 8800 GT to 800 processor units from the 4850.. you simply cannot! -_-"
September 30, 2008 1:38:49 AM

rfatcheric said:
since when does an 8800 beat a 4850 performance wise? Better price, yes. Better performance, no.


He was talking about an oced 8800gt vs stock 4850. And yes, it's true, just completely unfair comparison. You ought to oc both to be fair. Although 4850 don't oc nearly as much, it'll definitely stay ahead with both oced to their respective limits.

ldiego08 said:
You CAN'T compare 112 stream processor units from the 8800 GT to 800 processor units from the 4850.. you simply cannot! -_-"


Yeah, and the 320 stream processor 3850 also outperform 112 stream processor 8800gt. You have to realize, those gpus run on different architectures. 1 does not equal 1. Apples to oranges. Although with both at stock 4850 will definitely outperform 8800gt, just not by nearly as much as the 800 to 112 ratio would suggest.
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