AMD & ATI making a come back?

I have heard that AMD and ATI is going to blow Intel and Nvidia away with there new AM3 technology. i know that most of you probally know this but i need specs on this. i know that ATI just realease a new GPU that blow the new 9800 GTX's out of the water. how will the new AM3 technology work out?

yeah.i heard that they benchmarked it at 25000 on the new AM3 with 3DMark06. they also ran crisis at a splitting 55 FPS.

I can definitely tell you, either its a fake, or they ran GTX280 Tri-SLied @ 1600 x 1200.

Well the 4870 did run Crysis at 55FPS @ 1600x1200 with all settings at high (except shaders at very high) and 4xAA no AF but that was with an Intel system not AM3.

The main benefit is DDR3 and a boost to the HTT links but those will more than likely benefit the server arena not the desktop arena much like HTT 2.0 has not show a direct benefit to the desktop market yet.

And just one more thing, by the time AM3 hits Nehalem will be out so it will have a bit more than just a FSB chip to compete against.

unless AMD recesses into a smaller VIA like company. Without a fab? maybe... TSMC

#1 - NVIDIA's 280GPU is the single fastest GPU on the market right now, ATI is not "Blowing NVIDIA" out of the water. However, from a Price/Performance ration, NVIDIA needs to seriously lower their prices which they are doing. This will help ATI because that will limit the research dollars that NVIDIA has.

#2 - AM3 will do very little for AMD in general until memory becomes a constraint. At this point, AMDs memory controller is faster/better than Intel's but Intel still pretty much destroy's Intel because memory is not the limiting factor. Improving a non-bottleneck area will not help. They actually need to improve their CPU which they will not be doing seriously for quite a few years. They will be adding some cache and going to the 45nm process, but that will only get them so far. And that is likely not even where Intel is now, which is not where Intel will be by the time Q4 comes around.

#3 - Yes, Even Intel Fan boys want AMD to be competitive. And if I were to recommend a system today, it would by with an Intel CPU and AMD GPU.

#1 - NVIDIA's 280GPU is the single fastest GPU on the market right now, ATI is not "Blowing NVIDIA" out of the water. However, from a Price/Performance ration, NVIDIA needs to seriously lower their prices which they are doing. This will help ATI because that will limit the research dollars that NVIDIA has.

i know you said "fastest GPU on the market right now" but ati is DEFINITELY going to blow nvidia clear out of the market if they don't drop the price of the 280 to under $300.

4870X2 beats or matches GTX280 SLI
$550 is waaaaaaay cheaper than $920 ($460 per card)
(benchmarks are out that back this up)

Oh, I definitely think NVIDIA's bottom line is going to be hurting.
And Yes, ATI may be able to get out some cards that OC well and really hurt NVIDIA.

However, they are not going to be easy to do and I read somewhere these cards are going to have built-in Water Cooling.

They will not be cheap.

I really think ATI is hitting the mark better than NVIDIA right now.
I would really be hard pressed to recommend an NVIDIA solution right now near the higher portion of the market.

#1 = I think Intel's CPUs are the best so I would start there.
#2 = I prefer Intel's Chipsets to NVIDIAs and Intel would require the use of CF instead of SLI.
#3 = AMD is clearly the Price/Performance winner and they have good performance. Especially with the 4870x2.
#4 = ATI is more "Future Proof". ATI currently supports DX10.1 vs DX10 for NVIDIA. As soon as NVIDIA released DX 10.1 cards, I think you will see more games supporting DX10. I suspect the lack of proper DX10 support now is "political". Game companies don't want to make their games look far better on one GPU than another. I think NVIDIA is applying pressure to keep DX10.1 support limited for the time being. This means that by this time next year, the 3870 will start to beat the GTX280 in games it is now losing in.

@yoma 2 IS NOT GREATER THAN 3.
Second, AM3 raelly is that great. All of the benches done now usually use DDR2 for AMD, and usually DDR3 for Intel. BESIDES the fact that the new processors that are coming out for AMD are probably going to rock. I read somewhere, IDK where, that AMD is kidna of going to skip 45nm, and go to 32nm, whereas Intel's new Nehalem is still 45nm. Could see something good comeout.

In other news coming from AMD, the new Deneb chips that are 45nm are operating 3 GHz and up. And they will be selling them for <$1000. Intel had better watch their back, and not slack off to much, or they may get completely blown away because they don't know what AMD is up to.

O, and, please, flame me for this, cause I know you will.

@ the last resort: If the new AMD processors outperform and are better value (price/performance) than the Intel processors I will ditch my Intel setup and switch to AMD.

Oh wait, that wasn't what you wanted to hear was it?

YOU HAVE JUST BEEN REVERSE FLAMED!

I'm gettig ahead of the game but in 2009 Q? Intel is releasing nehalem-C (pretty sure that's the code name) and its 32nm

Westmere (might be spelled wrong) is the name. That will be more than likely Q4 2009.

also,
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3354&p=7

First of all, "Deneb" returns a bunch of stuff about the star. Try "deneb AMD". O.O
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3721
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin [...] lts-45733/
may not be reliable, but that phenom is running 3.4 GHz stable.
ever heard of overdrive? instant OCing.
And the TDP? Not to exceed 95W on any of the processors so far.
I did my research, now time for you to do yours.
Actually, I may wait for AMD's Hydra, with 8 native cores running at 3+ GHz, all in one chip.

You did you research? Where's the research for "I think AMD kinda skip 45nm, and go for 32nm, and here is the 45nm Deneb running at 3.4Ghz"?

And in case you haven't noticed, Deneb 3.4Ghz was achieved on 1.55V. What can I do with 1.55V on Q6600? 3.8Ghz. Big deal.

Overdrive? Its just a fancy way of saying "OCing under windows". Everyone + dogs know that its a lot more stable to OC at BIOS.

TDP? 95W. WOW!! Let me see... Q9450 is 95W, Q9550 is 95W, even the Q6600 is 95W, not to mention its built on 65nm.

Again, for you:


On a more serious note, Deneb is a nice minor improvement over Phenom. A ground-breaking one? Not likely.

Not to harp on details, but:

19.96 seconds of SuperPI equals stable at 3.4GHz? Or do you know if they actually tested stablity? If you look at that screenshot of 3.4GHz, you will also see the vCore at 1.568v. That's pretty high.

TDP of 95w? Where did you see this? I am interested to see where you gathered this data.

It's one thing to be excited for AMD's new products, it's another to make up things.

at least AMD can count!!
o sorry, that was completely out of line.
JUST BECAUSE THE VCORE IS 1.568v DOES NOT MAKE IT A PROBLEM. It just means it runs on a higher voltage, taking less AMPS from the PSU. AND we are not going into thermal crap, cause its the same as estimating the MPG of an electric car. CANT BE DONE.
It one thing to be excited for a new product, and another thing to try and throw AMD out the window because you feel threatened that your Intel friend may get OWNed.
http://failblog.org/2008/06/07/crocodile-hunter-fail/
http://failblog.org/2008/06/09/tollbooth-race-fail/
http://failblog.org/2008/06/06/heat-gun-fail/-the answer to why intel stats show AMD processors to be so hot.
OK im done. But come'on guys, AMD is finally looking positive. Even Intel is switching over to AMD tech. Why? Because it is superior. DUH

Wow. Love this guy. I almost want to not go there but.....

Intel developed a IMC and has been since the 486. They just saw no benefit for it yet. As for AMDs tech, IBM created most of it AMD just used it. IMC included.

You can't calculate it but don't post something like this without any proof. No links to proof (especially the Hydra thingy that does not exist anymore)and that means you wont ever be taken seriously.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 4&Itemid=1

Or simply Intel doesn't see the need to, until now. Guess what? Intel was right.

Its also one thing to have a preference in purchasing from a certain company, its another thing to blindly support it, twist the fact, and make up misinformation for it.

It would appear the 4850/4870 line of GPUs has definitely bought AMD a little more time. I don't know anyone right now just dying to buy a Phenom... but those GPUs? Man, everyone wants one of those.

im not making anything up.
i hate these petty arguments. The execs from AMD and Intel are probably reading this and going, "Boy, they have everything so screwed up, its funny." Calls over coworker. "Look at these people arguing out what we are going to do next. Well, are they wrong." LOL

So does Sharikou say. Maybe you should visit our industry-recognized fan.... excuse me, I mean expert.

sharikou.blogspot.com

FYI, there are actually some posters from those respective companies. Your posts really amuse them, to say the least.

I said this with Conroe and with K10, speculation, speculation, speculation. Wake me up when an independent reviewer has his or her hands on an actual chip, even if it's just an ES.

My confidence in AMD is very low.

AMD + ATI for life

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