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April 12, 2009 3:21:50 AM

So im getting some computer upgrades to help me play Crysis. (im on a budget so don't mock my purchases)
-Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 Processor
-OCZ DDR2 1150 MHz Reaper HPC Edition 4GB Dual Channel Memory
-GeForce 9400 GT

Can someone tell me a how-to guide or a video on overclock these components to play Crysis on a good frame rate and high quality. Thanks A Bunch Guys
April 12, 2009 4:41:58 AM

What kind of a budget are you on?
I'm afraid that a 9400gt will have trouble running crysis smoothly.
Perhaps you can get something a little faster

One place you can save some money is with ddr2-800 ram, its very close in performance to ddr2-1150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Excellent ram for $20 after rebate

also, what power supply and motherboard do you currently have?
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April 12, 2009 6:05:55 AM

i have a 250w power supply and i have a Gigabyte EP43-DS3L Motherboard

Also what video card should i get or should i just overclok the 9400
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April 12, 2009 6:36:52 AM

The CPU is fine and overclocks fine if your board allows overclocking. If you have a Dell, HP, ect.... your probably not gonna be able to OC at all. If you got a custom rig, you need to make sure theres a bios that supports the e5200 for your motherboard.

definately get 800 ram 1150 ram is a waste of money for your situation.

A 9400GT will play solitare, but forget about crysis.

You need a minimum of 8800GT"Nvidia, and 4850 ATI.

Get atleast a 600 watt name brand PSU or forget about gaming or overclocking.
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April 12, 2009 6:55:22 AM

ok so what video card should i get and how do i overclock the E5200 to a good value to run Crysis
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a b K Overclocking
April 12, 2009 8:13:28 AM

AzureFlameXIII said:
So im getting some computer upgrades to help me play Crysis. (im on a budget so don't mock my purchases)
-Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 Processor
-OCZ DDR2 1150 MHz Reaper HPC Edition 4GB Dual Channel Memory
-GeForce 9400 GT

Can someone tell me a how-to guide or a video on overclock these components to play Crysis on a good frame rate and high quality. Thanks A Bunch Guys



If you already have the e5200, you can safely overclock it to 3.32 GHz (12.5 multiplier at 266 bus). I play Crysis on an e4500. It was was 2.2 GHz stock but I run it at 2.92 GHz (11 times multiplier at 266 bus) on the stock Intel heatsink fan. On High settings, I get around 21 FPS avg on a 19" widescreen at 1440 X 900 resolution and thats with an older 8800 GTS 320 mb version .

Your e5200 if overclocked is sufficient to play Crysis. You may be able to overclock higher with the e5200 but you'll need to replace the stock Intel heatsink cooler. I had an old 8500 GT equivalent to your 9400 GT and I played Crysis on that but at low and medium settings on 1024 by 768 resolution. It was okay and I got into the gameplay but the experience is much better with the visuals and eye candy on high settings which means you'll need a better video card and with that at least a 400 watt power supply. Even if you overclock your 9400 GT you might get a 2,3, or 4% increase on frame rates which is not a noticeable improvement. That card just doesn't have the muscle to play Crysis beyond low settings.

If you're a gamer believe me it's worth the upgrade just for $25 more for a better video card. You can find open box 9800 GTs on Newegg from $79 to $90 on certain days when they update their stock. I'm a budget builder too and over the last year I purchased 2 open box motherboards and 3 open box videocards with no problems at all.

For $51, maybe get a 9500 GT? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
For $66 maybe a 9600 GT? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And if you have more on your budget then go for the 9800 or GTS 250. But if you do you'll need a better power supply. I hope this helps you.
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April 12, 2009 9:00:17 AM

I should mention that you will need a new power supply for a 9600gt as well,
a 250w power supply isn't enough for it.

for $86, you can get an open box 9800gt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and for $75, an excellent 450W power supply that can handle the 9800gt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or a decent 500W power supply for $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GTS 250 cards are faster, but start at about $130
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April 12, 2009 4:24:40 PM

Thanks guys. :) 

so these components will be good to play crysis on a playable frame rate and high quality:
-OCZ StealthXStream 600W Power Supply
-Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 Processor (Overclocked to 4GHZ)
-Zalman CNPS9700
-Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
-Cooler Master 120mm Silent Blue LED Case Fan
-OCZ DDR2 1150 MHz Reaper HPC Edition 4GB Dual Channel Memory
-Gigabyte EP43-DS3L Motherboard
-Geforce GTS 250 Superclocked 1024 MB DDR3 PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card
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April 12, 2009 8:37:23 PM

If you want to save some money, i'd still go for the ddr2-800 ram.
You won't get any extra performance out of 1150 mhz ram in crysis.

Also, 4ghz is a little too much to expect out of the e5200, but crysis should be fine with anything 3ghz and over :) 

You could even go with a cheaper GTX 250, the overclocked version won't be that much faster than the standard one
Or a GTX 260 for a little more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 12, 2009 9:26:25 PM

1 last question is the XFX GS250XYDFC GeForce GTS 250 512 MB DDR3 PCI-E 2.0 Video Card good enough
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April 12, 2009 10:16:36 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...
That one?

Yes, I think so. It wont be able to max out everything, but crysis will still look good, with smooth framerates.
It even comes with a free COD 5.

The GTS 250 is basically a revised version of the older 9800gtx+.
Its faster than my 8800gts, which runs crysis smoothly on medium-high settings for me.
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April 13, 2009 5:21:31 AM

If that's what you can afford to get............ stick with the 1gig card. You'll need the extra memory.... don't care what res you play at.
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April 13, 2009 5:30:46 AM

The 1gb will probably perform better in some cases.
You definitely don't need a more expensive overclocked version though. If you want, you can overclock the card yourself.
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April 13, 2009 6:42:40 PM

Sounds like a nicely even balanced system. I don't see the need for the 1150 Mhz memory. It'll just frustrate you more trying to tweak your BIOS settings to see that you're getting to the memory to run that high. You've come this far to build a decent gaming rig. Why not save a little on the ram, and instead off the GTS 250 add another $25 and get the recertified GTX 260 w/215 cores w/free shipping?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It'll give the same performance as two 9800 GTs in SLI without you having to buy an SLI motherboard and two 9800 GTs. If I hadn't purchased two open box 9800 GTs last month to run SLI in my Asus P5N-D, I would already have Newegg sending me that GTX 260! SLI is overrated due to stuttering and heat issues!

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April 13, 2009 8:30:28 PM

will it fit on my mobo and in the case?
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April 13, 2009 8:31:14 PM

also i live in Canada so i have to use newegg.ca
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a b K Overclocking
April 14, 2009 7:28:05 AM

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-263662_13_0.ht...

Here's the thread to case size to fit a GTX 260. You can measure the space you have now. The GTX Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
Height 4.376 inches (111 mm)
Length 10.5 inches (267 mm)
Width Dual-slot



Sorry I didn't know you were in Canada. If you have a friend in the US close to the border, maybe 30 minutes driving distance, maybe they can receive the shipment for you? That is, if Newegg.ca doesn't have comparable prices.

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April 16, 2009 10:38:24 PM

It would be easier to compare if you would post the parts that you have in mind currently
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a b K Overclocking
April 17, 2009 11:00:55 AM

It's always better and usually cheaper if you build your own "custom" desktop because the experience and knowledge you gain will keep saving you cash in the future when you upgrade and build entirely new systems. And of course you'll take more pride in it since it was hand built by you.
Since your emphasis is on gaming, your videocard will be the most important part of your budget. No need for name brand case as long there will be room for the GTX 260. I just ordered a new GTX 260 (w/216 cores) yesterday from newegg, $169 straight, no rebates to hassle with and comes with Mirror's Edge and Far Cry 2!
That's why I wouldn't mess with the 9800 GTX+ or even the GTS 250 because for $25 more you can move up to the GTX 260.
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a b K Overclocking
April 17, 2009 11:04:22 AM

Don't get the Tiger. The mainboard chipset is G31 and doesn't come with the 2.0 PCI Express slot only the first generation 1.0. That chipset will also limit your CPU upgrade later in case you want to try a 1600 FSB not sure if you can tweak that board any OC.
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April 17, 2009 11:43:05 AM

can you post me the link for the GTX 260 that comes with Mirror's Edge and Far Cry 2
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April 17, 2009 10:29:19 PM

O.K so what video card is the best to play Crysis/Crysis Warhead on all Enthusiast Settings? (Don't care bout price for video card now and will it be compatable with my system?)
Will it also run Crysis/Crysis Warhead on a playable frame rate?

Also im now get these components:
-CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory (Is this a good 800 memory?) (Is there a better one for cheaper $$?)
-NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (Good case?) (Enough space for all components?)
-ZALMAN CNPS9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler (Will this keep my OC'd cpu cool?) (Will I need extra stuff ex. Liquid cooling Arctic Silver?)
-RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular LED Power Supply ( Is this too much?)(What is a good cheap one?)
-Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor (Overclock to 3.6GHz) (Will it play Crysis/Crysis Warhead well?)
-GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard (Will this mobo support all components?) (Is this a good mobo for gaming computers?)
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April 17, 2009 11:49:58 PM

Also, the power supply you'll need will depend in large part on the video card. Get a quality one though, it'll cost a bit more but it won't fry your system.

You'll want some Arctic Silver 5 or MX-2 thermal paste to go with that cooler.

What is your budget for this system now? And why the obsession with having crysis on max settings? :p 
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April 18, 2009 12:30:22 AM

i unno i guess if you can play crysis on max setting than you can play any game 2x faster
plus i wanted 2 make high quality mods for crysis and see what graphics crysis has to offer
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April 18, 2009 12:50:12 AM

Well, alright, but what it your budget?
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April 18, 2009 1:20:14 AM

dont really have 1 just trying 2 save money.
You still didn't answer the "what is the best gpu to play crysis on enthusiast yet"
Im happy with all my parts just debating on the power supply and gpu and maybe the cooling unit.
And what is the highest a E5200 can be overclocked to that is stable 24/7
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April 18, 2009 1:41:37 AM

How high you can oc the E5200 will depend very much upon the individual chip you get. Some overclock much better than others.

The reason I'm interested in budget constraints is that crysis will run silky smooth on very high with a GTX 295, and even faster with two, but those cards will run you $500 apiece.

My point is that there is always something that will be better and faster. What card to get depends on what components you can afford.
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a b K Overclocking
April 18, 2009 8:02:51 AM

First, how big is your monitor? You can make Crysis run silky smooth on a Dell 17" at 1024X768 with an e5200 and 8800GT. You can easily OC the e5200 to 3.2 GHz but beyond that I see heat, stability issues.

On one of my computers, I play Crysis on a 19" at 1440 X 900, all high settings, no AA, and get 40 FPS avg and that's with an e4500 OC'd to 2.9 Ghz and an "old" 8800 GT. Unless you will play on a 24" monitor or larger and on 1920 X 1200 resolution, you don't need anything more than a GTX 260 and for sure you won't need SLI, lol.

So yes, you can play Crysis on enthusiast settings with an 8800 GT but on lower screen resolutions.

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April 18, 2009 12:47:26 PM

I have a an Acer 19" LCD monitor that can go up to 1280x1100 (i forget the last two digits)
Also im getting a gtx 280 instead of the 260 (just incase i get a bigger monitor)
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April 18, 2009 6:35:43 PM

Alright, well, since you're going with such a high end card, here's an interesting price comparison

GTX 260 209.49

GTX 275 319.99

GTX 280 410.00

GTX 285 418.49

I'd get either the 275 or the 285, the 280, which is older than both of them, is at a rather awkward price point.
The 275 is almost as good as the 280, and the 285 is the best single gpu card. I'd say that out of those 4 cards the 260 is the best bang for the buck

Or, if there is any way you can buy from US newegg (ship to a friend's house in usa, etc...), you can get a recertified GTX 280 for the price of a 275.

Also, for any of those cards, I would ditch the Raidmax PSU and go with a far better Corsair 650W PSU 139.99
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April 18, 2009 7:09:50 PM

do u guys know a good 120mm case fan that has blue LEDs?
and what CPU fan should i get for my e5200 OC'd? ( has to be slot 775)
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April 18, 2009 7:11:44 PM

i was also going to buy two more gtx 280s (later in my life :p )
what psu will i need to run everything?
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April 18, 2009 7:29:03 PM

Xigmatek Dark Knight is an excellent cooler.

SLI is a horrible upgrade path. You would be much better off putting in the fastest single card you can find at that time than 2 more GTX 280s...

If you have the kind of $$ to use on this that 3 GTX 280s in sli is even an option, why are you skimping so much on the processor and other components? Also, you cannot (or if you can, shouldn't) do 3 cards in SLI with an LGA 775 motherboard. Hell, yours only supports one card. If you want upgradeability, go for an i7 or Phenom II pc.
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April 18, 2009 9:38:05 PM

ur right i guess SLI really isnt good.

so how r these parts:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Corsair TX650W 650-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 120mm Fan, SLI-Ready, SATA-Ready, 80Plus
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

BFG GeForce GTX 280 Video Card - 1GB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0 x16, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support, VGA Support
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

OCZ SLI-Ready Dual Channel 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory (2x2048MB)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

Rosewill RFX-120BL 120mm 2 Ball Bearing Blue LED Case Fan with Fan Controller Set - Retail
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

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April 18, 2009 11:02:46 PM

I'd probably get the GTX 275 instead of the 280. It is 55nm instead of 65nm, consumes less power, and apparently is about as fast as the 280. The 275 also overclocks better. This GTX 275 would save you about $70

If you have some extra $$, go with the GTX 285, it is faster than the 275 or the 280. This XFX GTX 285 will run you $40 more than that BFG 280. However, it comes with a free COD4, COD5, and more importantly, XFX offers a lifetime warranty.

In any case, don't get the GTX 280. You can get the same performance with the 275 and save money, or get better performance with the 285 for just a bit more.

Actually, since the 285 I linked comes with 2 free games, and the 280 fron tigerdirect doesn't, its a much better deal as well.

This coolermaster case comes with 3 120mm fans and probably better overall airflow.
CM RC-690
Its $99.99, so the same price as the NZXT case combined with the extra fan.
Your choice, though, cases are usually up to personal preference
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April 19, 2009 12:00:50 AM

Thank you soo much irkjab for helping me with my custom computer :) 
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April 19, 2009 12:05:22 AM

If you want to make sure everything is good to go and I haven't missed anything, post on the Homebuilt Systems forum with your final list of components.
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April 19, 2009 1:33:13 AM

thanks this forum will now be closed as solved
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April 19, 2009 1:46:19 AM

Why can't I start another discussion?
Why is this happening?
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April 19, 2009 1:48:26 AM

What do you mean? What it preventing it?
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April 19, 2009 10:22:26 PM

There is no start a new topic button on the top of the menu
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April 19, 2009 10:26:35 PM

"Ask the community" button.
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