Old Cingular plan with Analog in NC (roaming) and upgrade ..

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> I picked up another 6340i from eBay and it is a cingular branded phone.
> I put my Ericsson SIM in it, and it works.
>
> Q. Does this mean the Analog capability of the phone is enabled?
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No you need a esn swap for that to work, just call CS and ask for a esn swap
to your new phone. Look under the battery for the Electronic Serial Number.
The 6340 has both a IMEI number for GSM as well as ESN for TDMA & AMPS. Get
a extra battery or two as analog eats the battery fast.

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> 2005 Anticipation.
> I picked up another 6340i from eBay and it is a cingular branded phone.
> I put my Ericsson SIM in it, and it works.
>
> Q1. Does this mean the Analog capability of the phone is enabled?

A1. No, it does not mean that Analog capability is enabled. When any
compatible and active SIM card is placed in the Nokia 6340i phone, the
phones will act as a dual-band GSM phone in terms of communicating with
GSM towers. Unless that specific SIM was registered with the ESN, it
will not work.

> Q2. Are there some other configuration settings I should check on?

You would have to make sure that your *plan* has GAIT capability. This
would allow you to use GSM 850, GSM 1900, TDMA 800, TDMA 1900, and AMPS
(800).

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Cingular turned off my GAIT twice. Verizon still supports AMPS and CDMA
so that is the only phone that will work in non-GSM areas.

I speak from bitter experience there is not 6340I GAIT service anymore
in NC. Only pure GSM. Recommend we call Cingular and confirm specific
zip codes you travel to. If they have no coverage on a GSM phone you
may not have or could lose services any time.

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DoctorZ wrote:
> Cingular turned off my GAIT twice. Verizon still supports AMPS and CDMA
> so that is the only phone that will work in non-GSM areas.
>
> I speak from bitter experience there is not 6340I GAIT service anymore
> in NC. Only pure GSM. Recommend we call Cingular and confirm specific
> zip codes you travel to. If they have no coverage on a GSM phone you
> may not have or could lose services any time.

Who was the analog roaming partner in NC? Especially if it might have
been a legacy roaming agreement, that roaming partner may now despise
Cingular (such as Verizon Wireless or another carrier) and refuse to let
Cingular customers utilize the network, even though it would mean extra
revenue. The same may be true for TDMA partners that migrated to CDMA
instead of GSM (such as U.S. Cellular), and it may not have any more
TDMA coverage to roam on.

TH

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Cingular could have

1) Raised GAIT prices.

2) Provided notice they no longer could offer GAIT service.

Would you pay rent for an apartment, if they moved you to a smaller
one?

More on a house payment if the lender had increased costs?

Could Honda/GM raise someone's monthly auto payment, simply due to
increase in the cost of parts?

Can you not sue a medical facility regardless of the contract you
signed?

At least in my business we would take a loss if we had a subcontractor
that failed to perform. We would still meet our obligations and sue the
subcontractor. Dumping the customer with no notice, is stupid long
term. Continue to charge for service you have no intention of offering
is not fraud? Maybe they will cancel all service and pocket the money
for the next x years.

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It costs me about $36K in damages, so far. Since Cingular is not
informing their customers prior to deactivation of AMPS and TDMS, I
believe its useful inform others.

When/if Cingular terminates your TDMA access and assuming this causes a
loss of coverage, would you not inform others?

Sorry you think the truth is a rant or a chip, but hopefully it will
help others. For example the fact Verizon still offers onsite repairs
and Cingular will ship a replacement phone is an important issue for
some people. Its not a rant or chip to bring it to people's attention.
This way each person can make an informed decision.

Verizon data access is far ahead of Cingular in speed and coverage.
This is important to some people and not others.

If I lived in KY and never traveled, Cingular would be a preferred
choice.

If I need to travel in 50 states, Cingular is not a choice.

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I purchased a VT720 phone from Verizon after Cingular (actually BSM
provided notice) cancelled their one number service, which allowed
service in NC.

Still once a customer calls and gets a disconnect message they will
assume you are out of business. My accounts are auto debit and always
paid so there was no explanation for the disconnect message by
Cingular.

If Cingular had informed me they would disable GAIT; I could have
notified potential customers of the port and provided alternative
contact info.

By posting here, this will lead people requiring business class
service, from suffering a loss.

What do you base your data coverage claim on? The 1/17/2005 Wall Street
Journal has an article titled "Here Comes 3G. Really". The WSJ points
out real differences in the services and coverage. This may help people
determine the best provider for their own requirements.

Verizon "32 cities at 400Kbs-2Mbs, covering about 75 million people,
or about a quarter of the U.S. population" is certainly better than
the UMTS "Cingular Wireless, is currently offered in only six
cities" EVDO is faster than MTS. Having used Verizon's 144Kbs
service the speed does make a difference for certain business
requirements.

Surely Cingular would not let this go unchallenged if it was false.

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"DoctorZ" <czervas@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Cingular could have
>
> 1) Raised GAIT prices.
>
> 2) Provided notice they no longer could offer GAIT service.
>
> Would you pay rent for an apartment, if they moved you to a smaller
> one?
>
> More on a house payment if the lender had increased costs?
>
> Could Honda/GM raise someone's monthly auto payment, simply due to
> increase in the cost of parts?
>
> Can you not sue a medical facility regardless of the contract you
> signed?
>
> At least in my business we would take a loss if we had a subcontractor
> that failed to perform. We would still meet our obligations and sue the
> subcontractor. Dumping the customer with no notice, is stupid long
> term. Continue to charge for service you have no intention of offering
> is not fraud? Maybe they will cancel all service and pocket the money
> for the next x years.
>

DoctorZ,
You keep ranting about Cingular no longer offering GAIT service. I have had
a GAIT phone since that option was first offered, and originally it was on a
GAIT specific plan. I recently changed my plan to NATP1000P and added a
v551 phone. My account was provisioned with "GAIT calling area" and GAIT
for GSM." I pay the regular rate for my plan, which also happened to be a
promotional plan with extra rollover minutes I believe.
I can move my SIM between the v551 and my T62u, and each functions as it is
supposed to. My T62u connects to TDMA networks when necessary. I have not
had occasion to see an AMPS network since I made the change.
I'm not sure why you think GAIT service has been discontinued, or why you
have such a "burr under your saddle" but I suggest you check into it
further.
I seem to recall that you said you changed carriers, and if so I don't know
why you're belaboring the issue anyway. You seem bent on spreading
incorrect information. Why the chip on your shoulder?

Bob

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> It costs me about $36K in damages, so far. Since Cingular is not
> informing their customers prior to deactivation of AMPS and TDMS, I
> believe its useful inform others.

Why would you have $36,000 riding on everything from a *single* phone.
If you had that much riding on it, it should have been immaterial and
well worth it to ALWAYS stock a few phones from competing services.

> When/if Cingular terminates your TDMA access and assuming this causes a
> loss of coverage, would you not inform others?
>
> Sorry you think the truth is a rant or a chip, but hopefully it will
> help others. For example the fact Verizon still offers onsite repairs
> and Cingular will ship a replacement phone is an important issue for
> some people. Its not a rant or chip to bring it to people's attention.
> This way each person can make an informed decision.
>
> Verizon data access is far ahead of Cingular in speed and coverage.
> This is important to some people and not others.

Actually, I find Cingular data has better access than that of Verizon
Wireless. Cingular allows its customers to use data while roaming,
while Verizon data is much much much much more limited than its voice
territory.

> If I lived in KY and never traveled, Cingular would be a preferred
> choice.
>
> If I need to travel in 50 states, Cingular is not a choice.

Like I say, it depends, because I find Cingular's data coverage much
more comprehensive than that of Verizon Wireless.

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"DoctorZ" <czervas@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> If Cingular had informed me they would disable GAIT; I could have
> notified potential customers of the port and provided alternative
> contact info.
>

Cingular has not disabled GAIT. I'm using it.

Even if service was unavailable at your location, callers would not get a
disconnect message. Their calls would go to voice mail unless Cingular/BSM
had cause to cancel your service.

What's the REAL story, DoctorZ?

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"DoctorZ" <czervas@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> It costs me about $36K in damages, so far. Since Cingular is not
> informing their customers prior to deactivation of AMPS and TDMS, I
> believe its useful inform others.
>
> When/if Cingular terminates your TDMA access and assuming this causes a
> loss of coverage, would you not inform others?

The same thing happened to us after about 5 years. We had a family plan
that we purchased because I am in an electric wheelchair and need to have
constant access to my family. Coverage became very poor to nothing. If I
wanted this poor to nothing coverage I would have to go outside my house.
That is a trick for me. We were reassured it would get better. It never
did but they wouldn't waive the early termination fees. We contacted the
BBS which resulted in the customer service rep from Hades calling us. She
was so rude, so condescending she acted like we were idiots because we
believed the representatives that the service would get better. She told me
the FCC would not allow them to use the towers anymore. She told my husband
that T-mobile wouldn't allow the towers usage anymore. She told me to blame
the FCC not Cingular. But she still wouldn't let us out of the contract.
We had four phones. As each phone's contract expired we ported to
Verizon. For one we paid the ETF.
Eventually when we received a letter asking us to come back my husband wrote
and told them why we left. We were allowed to send the phone that we paid
the ETF on back to them and they refunded our money. But that didn't
refund almost the year that we paid for and the phone for me was almost
useless.

Verizon works in every room of my house. It has a better signal than
Cingular ever had. I talk to friends across the country. It also works
in upper Vermont where Cingular was more than spotty.

T

>

> Sorry you think the truth is a rant or a chip, but hopefully it will
> help others. For example the fact Verizon still offers onsite repairs
> and Cingular will ship a replacement phone is an important issue for
> some people. Its not a rant or chip to bring it to people's attention.
> This way each person can make an informed decision.
>
> Verizon data access is far ahead of Cingular in speed and coverage.
> This is important to some people and not others.
>
> If I lived in KY and never traveled, Cingular would be a preferred
> choice.
>
> If I need to travel in 50 states, Cingular is not a choice.
>