Views on the ATI 4870

[jamesgoddard]

This is all speculation at this time, but how well do people believe the 4870 will perform? Personally I am looking for up to 40% over the 4850 - why? Well the core clock is 20% faster, but that’s only half the story, the GDDR5 ATI are slapping into it will be clocking at 4400MHz - yes that fast, at that speed the ATI unit has more memory bandwidth that the 512bit Nvidia 280, I believe we are in for a real treat folks...

The 4870 should be really on the heels of the 280, the 4870x2 will blow it away. Bad news for Nvidia as the 280 is just simply too large and complex to make into a dual GPU card...

I wait to be proved wrong, but the one thing we can guarantee, we have a real GPU war again boys...

 

[marvelous211]

This is all speculation at this time, but how well do people believe the 4870 will perform? Personally I am looking for up to 40% over the 4850 - why? Well the core clock is 20% faster, but that%u2019s only half the story, the GDDR5 ATI are slapping into it will be clocking at 4400MHz - yes that fast, at that speed the ATI unit has more memory bandwidth that the 512bit Nvidia 280, I believe we are in for a real treat folks...

The 4870 should be really on the heels of the 280, the 4870x2 will blow it away. Bad news for Nvidia as the 280 is just simply too large and complex to make into a dual GPU card...

I wait to be proved wrong, but the one thing we can guarantee, we have a real GPU war again boys...

Considering RV770 has more FP16 blending fillrate I think in some games it will be very close to 280gtx. Not so much in others because GT200 has more bilinear fillrate.

 

[SpinachEater]

I would expect to see an X2 after the shrink. NV won't let the 4870X2 sit on top.

 

[dagger]

There we go with overinflated expectations again. 4870 won't be anywhere near gtx280. The distance between 4850, which perform the same as g92 8800gts/9800gts/8800gtx, and gtx280 is just far too large to make up. That's 4870x2 territory.

 

[crosshares]

I would guess that the 4870 will be breathing down the GTX260's neck, on par with the GTX280 is too unlikely, more likely that its on par with the GTX260, or maybe, just maybe it'll beat it out.

There I go daydreaming again.

 

[RizzyWho]

Views on the ATI 4870

Still waiting

kkthanksbye

 

[marvelous211]

There we go with overinflated expectations again. 4870 won't be anywhere near gtx280. The distance between 4850, which perform the same as g92 8800gts/9800gts/8800gtx, and gtx280 is just far too large to make up. That's 4870x2 territory.

Again 260gtx isn't that far off from 4850 and sometimes 4850 downright beating 260gtx. I suspect 4870 would very much compete with 260gtx and at times downright beating 280gtx in those particular situations.

 

[pogsnet]

ATI 4850 kick 9800GTX in the ass. This is true because the Nvidia is forced to responed with 9800GTX+ with higher OC to counter the 4850 crown which will be out first week of July. So ATI 4870 will be the same or higher than GTX260 and 4870X2 is better than all. ATI HD 4870 will be out July first week too.

ATI has scalability of 1.7 as crossfire
Just take ATI 4850 score 4294 x 1.7 = 7299.8 or 7300
4850 X 2 alone will be a good match to gtx280 what more for the 4870?

GTX280 = $650

4850 = $200 x 2 = $400 + $200 = $600 (Surely fast still cheaper)

Beat that!

[ogsnet:1]

 

[truromeo4juliet]

Power Color 4850 Review...
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4850/

To answer the OP, I believe the 4870 will be AMD's return to the runnings in terms of sales and it may or may not perform better than the GTX280, but for the price, I'm going back to AMD's offerings, even if the 4870 doesn't perform as well quite as well as the GTX280... again, for the price, you'd have to be a fanboy to NOT prefer the AMD card...

Although... I am DEFINITELY looking forward to a 4870 and 4870X2 review... the 4850 is very promising for only $199... one could hope the 4870 would scale in terms of performance, and that would, of course, bring much joy to my PC, as well as my wallet...

time to find a crossfire compatible mobo...

 

[bosnian81]

1. Stop showing synthetic benchmarks as the main or the only criteria when comparing video cards. They are very much useless and don't show how the cards will perform where it matters (games).

2. It is pointless to speculate about 4870 because we know very little about the card. Hell, we didn't know number of stream processors on 4850 until first reviews surfaced. All that posts like these accomplish is firing up the fanboys on both sides and that means threads like these end in the toilet rather quickly.

NVidia fanboys should be happy that ATI is back because GTX200 will be the last generation of >$400 cards. If 4870 even touches GTX260, NVidia will cut the prices of the 200 series by 25%. Remember what happened when 8800GTX came out and it had no competition? I do and it wasn't pretty.

ATI fanboys should be happy because NVidia waited for ATI to get back up after the merger instead of running them into the ground. What do you think, NVidia people just decided to stop running their 6 month publishing cycle because they are lazy or were unable to come up with a G92 refresh before?

So why make stupid remarks such as "ATI 4850 kick 9800GTX" when if you spend just 3 minutes looking at benchmarks you will see that 9800GTX is still ahead by little. What 4850 did is decrease the price of the card that was $350 month and a half ago to $199. And we all (end users) be happy about that.

"Bad news for Nvidia as the 280 is just simply too large and complex to make into a dual GPU card... " I am sorry, but how do you know this? Oh wait, you don't. So don't talk trash when you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[kad]

I would guess that the 4870 will be breathing down the GTX260's neck, on par with the GTX280 is too unlikely, more likely that its on par with the GTX260, or maybe, just maybe it'll beat it out.

There I go daydreaming again.

I'm expecting 4870 will be something between X260 and X280
And if it'll come at a price less than 300$ I'll immediately get 2 cards, still cheaper than X280 and 2 will outperform 1 card X280

 

[DarthPiggie]

Man I cant wait till tommorow,, that 4870 is a very attractive offer, i cant wait to see RV770 at its full glory!

 

[DarthPiggie]

BTW GDDR5 wont be clocked that high, perhaps with an overclock, since AMD had to donwclock the quimoda chips, perhaps OCing them will be very easy.

 

[RizzyWho]

isit out tomorrow?

 

[pcgamer12]

Nvidia won't stand around being 2nd place, they'll be competitive, and won't lose the performance crown so easily.

 

[dagger]

Nvidia won't stand around being 2nd place, they'll be competitive, and won't lose the performance crown so easily.

It's not about the performance crown. Judging by 4850's performance, it's impossible for 4870 to overtake gtx280. Value is a different matter though.

 

[marvelous211]

1. Stop showing synthetic benchmarks as the main or the only criteria when comparing video cards. They are very much useless and don't show how the cards will perform where it matters (games).

2. It is pointless to speculate about 4870 because we know very little about the card. Hell, we didn't know number of stream processors on 4850 until first reviews surfaced. All that posts like these accomplish is firing up the fanboys on both sides and that means threads like these end in the toilet rather quickly.

NVidia fanboys should be happy that ATI is back because GTX200 will be the last generation of >$400 cards. If 4870 even touches GTX260, NVidia will cut the prices of the 200 series by 25%. Remember what happened when 8800GTX came out and it had no competition? I do and it wasn't pretty.

ATI fanboys should be happy because NVidia waited for ATI to get back up after the merger instead of running them into the ground. What do you think, NVidia people just decided to stop running their 6 month publishing cycle because they are lazy or were unable to come up with a G92 refresh before?

So why make stupid remarks such as "ATI 4850 kick 9800GTX" when if you spend just 3 minutes looking at benchmarks you will see that 9800GTX is still ahead by little. What 4850 did is decrease the price of the card that was $350 month and a half ago to $199. And we all (end users) be happy about that.

"Bad news for Nvidia as the 280 is just simply too large and complex to make into a dual GPU card... " I am sorry, but how do you know this? Oh wait, you don't. So don't talk trash when you don't know what you are talking about.

3dmark is a game engine if you didn't know. If you know how to read the graphs it tells you quite a bit about card's capability. 3dmark scores are useless but the data itself is viable way to measure performance.

 

[royalcrown]

1. Stop showing synthetic benchmarks as the main or the only criteria when comparing video cards. They are very much useless and don't show how the cards will perform where it matters (games).

2. It is pointless to speculate about 4870 because we know very little about the card. Hell, we didn't know number of stream processors on 4850 until first reviews surfaced. All that posts like these accomplish is firing up the fanboys on both sides and that means threads like these end in the toilet rather quickly.

NVidia fanboys should be happy that ATI is back because GTX200 will be the last generation of >$400 cards. If 4870 even touches GTX260, NVidia will cut the prices of the 200 series by 25%. Remember what happened when 8800GTX came out and it had no competition? I do and it wasn't pretty.

ATI fanboys should be happy because NVidia waited for ATI to get back up after the merger instead of running them into the ground. What do you think, NVidia people just decided to stop running their 6 month publishing cycle because they are lazy or were unable to come up with a G92 refresh before?

So why make stupid remarks such as "ATI 4850 kick 9800GTX" when if you spend just 3 minutes looking at benchmarks you will see that 9800GTX is still ahead by little. What 4850 did is decrease the price of the card that was $350 month and a half ago to $199. And we all (end users) be happy about that.

"Bad news for Nvidia as the 280 is just simply too large and complex to make into a dual GPU card... " I am sorry, but how do you know this? Oh wait, you don't. So don't talk trash when you don't know what you are talking about.

1. Exactly why would Nvidia make a new gard when their was no need, they're not gonna say, "Gee, we're really bored, let's make a new card just because..." Nvidia is not going to waste money retooling something until they need to, they weren't being all warm and fuzzy and sportsmanlike to ATI. Do you really think they had the GTX+ ready in one night, no, they just had no need costwise to release it.

2. Can yer bitchin'...it's all just guesses till this week !

 

[royalcrown]

@Marvelous211

Care to throw in a guess and extrappolate/fudginate some performance for the 4870...I think it will be fairly close in today's games to the 280. NO idea which is gonna AA better myself, brute force vs efficiency is gonna be interesting !

 

[pogsnet]

GTX280 = $650

4870 = $300

buy 2 you got faster card yet cheaper. buying gtx280 is no brainer.

"So where do I begin with this card? I am left speechless because the HD4850 blew past my expectations! Now, don't get me wrong - I had high hopes for the HD4800 series cards, and strongly wanted them to give Nvidia a run for their money so that the competition stays high, which benefits consumers. However, this review opened my eyes to a new love of ATI products. Being a reviewer, you have to go into a product with an open mind and unbiased opinion, which is what I did - and I was impressed. The HD4850 pushed passed many mainstream cards that are used today, and even kicked on the heels of Nvidia's newest beast, the GTX 280. Ok, so you say it caught up, but didn't take it over - but with a price tag of $199, versus the GTX 280's very high price of $649.99, this is a no-brainier. I mean, you can get three of these cards for the cost of just one GTX 280 and CrossFire them."
source: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/powercolor_hd4850/15.htm

 

[DarthPiggie]

@Marvelous211

Care to throw in a guess and extrappolate/fudginate some performance for the 4870...I think it will be fairly close in today's games to the 280. NO idea which is gonna AA better myself, brute force vs efficiency is gonna be interesting !

The 4870 is most likely going to be in competition with the 260, not the 280. As has been said, the 280 is 4870X2's dinner. Lights out NV

 

[gamecrazychris]

I don't care how good a value the 4870 is, as long as my GTX 280 is the fastest single card around for at least 4 months, I'll be happy.

 

[dagger]

I don't care how good a value the 4870 is, as long as my GTX 280 is the fastest single card around for at least 4 months, I'll be happy.

Isn't the 4870x2 coming out within 4 months?

 

[DarthPiggie]

its coming in august, but the 280 will still technically be the fastest single GPU. But who cares about technicality, all we care about is fps and performance. ppl say that ATI's strategy is moot and say that "so what if two mainstream GPUs outperform one high end, nvidia can just make two of their own and smack em together too", but they forget the price difference, things should only be compared nipples to nipples if they are in the same price range.

 

[jamesgoddard]

Isn't the 4870x2 coming out within 4 months?

Ding... heheh

But then I guess he will complain that the 4870x2 is not a real single card.... I guess he also has an AMD Phenom cos the intel chips are not real quad cores.