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Will we see REAL reviews this week?

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a b U Graphics card
June 22, 2008 10:38:10 PM

OK, no excuses. No NDA's. No fudging the numbers. No ones jumping the gun. Im looking forward to see what were going to get from our "trusted" sites this week. Will they use fraps? Will it be some quixotic apples to apples? Will they fully redo the 4850 launch, with a wider spectrum of games? Will they include the 35 Intel chipset vs the 38 irregularities? This is a good time to evaluate whats really going on on our "trusted" review sites. Stakes are high. Im hoping that we can at least all come to some conclusion after this week where we see how ATI and nVidia stands against each other, and maybe together with our "trusted" sites

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June 22, 2008 10:41:45 PM

As much as I hate to say it, I think Nvidia will still hold crown for most powerful card.

But I'm hoping the ATI comes close for the 300$ :)  that would make it the better buy:) 
June 22, 2008 10:54:40 PM

I also think Nvidia will hold the performance crown. But I think ATI will hold the bang for the buck crown. Who really knows till REAL reviews come out.
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a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 12:16:37 AM

^ idk... I thought that as well... but now i'm thinking that the 4870x2 will really take off

either way i don't care... I just want the best performer... at a reasonable price that is... like the gtx 280 isn't worth its price right now... if it drops to 450 - 500 it would be great
June 23, 2008 12:18:18 AM

The X2 is still a dual GPU, lol alot of ppl don't trust em:p 
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a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 12:21:40 AM

well as long as it works...

multi gpu/cores are the way of the future... just like it was in the cpu industry
June 23, 2008 12:22:56 AM

+1 for Nvidia. as i only heard the new physics driver 177.39 from Nvidia havent heard much of a news fro AMD side since the CCC8.6 with unofficial support of HD4850. hope they release it i time for "launch".
June 23, 2008 12:24:54 AM

So your telling me the reviews im looking at of the 4850 are fakes?
June 23, 2008 12:26:18 AM

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a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 12:26:44 AM

Incomplete is more the word.
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 12:28:24 AM

I think some people actually believe everything they read. With these new reviews, itll cut the chaffe a lil
June 23, 2008 12:31:42 AM

I thought it was too good to be true, but you cant know until you buy one yourself and test it out.
June 23, 2008 12:32:25 AM

Well with the ban in place to release full details, they can't make a complete review until its completely lifted which is sometime next week according to anandtech.
June 23, 2008 12:33:20 AM

So basically, reviews that fits your opinions are real, and those that don't are not. :p 
June 23, 2008 12:34:08 AM

Why did they ban the release of the full details? We are going to know sometime at some point. Word spreads fast.
June 23, 2008 12:36:41 AM

because the word spread so fast thats why they stop you from knowing what the card is truely capable of. hence will affect the sale = less money for them.'

because if you dont know you could go out and buy and card and try it out. by then they got your money already.
June 23, 2008 12:36:43 AM

alfrido said:
Why did they ban the release of the full details? We are going to know sometime at some point. Word spreads fast.

Maybe they're ashamed of it. :na: 
June 23, 2008 12:37:50 AM

dagger said:
Maybe they're ashamed of it. :na: 


good point!:p 
June 23, 2008 12:40:15 AM

Thank you for telling me. If i was ATI i wouldn't care if they would know the specs. If i am building something i would build it better.
June 23, 2008 12:48:19 AM

but what if you cant? there is constraints in a business. its not just i wanna build this today and i can build it. financial factor is the main constraint most of the time.especially AMD for the past.....year(S)?
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 12:50:37 AM

Could be they dont want to embarrass nVidia and Intel. You never know...
June 23, 2008 12:55:54 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Could be they dont want to embarrass nVidia and Intel. You never know...


yeah businesses can be "sympathetic" sometime! :pt1cable:  :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 12:58:59 AM

Im hoping for a little clarity is all
June 23, 2008 12:59:40 AM

when is the next HD4870 gonna be out btw?
June 23, 2008 1:01:39 AM
June 23, 2008 1:05:05 AM

They're waiting for the one where it outperforms 280gtx. :D 
June 23, 2008 1:09:19 AM

dagger said:
They're waiting for the one where it outperforms 280gtx. :D 


i think that is pretty obvious! :lol: 
June 23, 2008 1:09:36 AM

dagger said:
They're waiting for the one where it outperforms 280gtx. :D 



Be careful what you wish for....the 4870 may just surprise you! We already know what the 4850 can do in crossfire.
June 23, 2008 1:10:29 AM

i dont think that the 4870 can push out twice the power as the HD4850 since they both the same core but just different speed.
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 1:25:22 AM

Im not doubting half the sites on that list. Others are. Ive seen enough of the 4850 to know how it performs, others arent so sure. Im looking forward to both the 4870 and the archetecture of the 4xxx series explained, reviewed and viewed in full.
June 23, 2008 1:27:21 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Im not doubting half the sites on that list. Others are. Ive seen enough of the 4850 to know how it performs, others arent so sure. Im looking forward to both the 4870 and the archetecture of the 4xxx series explained, reviewed and viewed in full.

Does none of those reviews fit your tastes? :p 
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 1:28:42 AM

I can almost feel the heat coming off that card.
June 23, 2008 1:31:44 AM

iluvgillgill said:
i dont think that the 4870 can push out twice the power as the HD4850 since they both the same core but just different speed.


True, but I really don't think anyone knows how GDDR5 will perform; this is the first time we have every seen it used.
June 23, 2008 1:40:31 AM

Apparently the new hotfix by ATI boosts 3DMark scores slightly....hold onto your butts...
June 23, 2008 1:42:09 AM

NO not 3Dmark:o  lol:p 
June 23, 2008 1:44:25 AM

Yeah because we all play 3Dmark06...
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 1:44:26 AM

They are previews, incomplete. Not that in depth, plus, the 4870 and the use of GDDR5 isnt in them. Its like the 8800GTS review without the GTX and no in depth review at that
June 23, 2008 1:48:02 AM




yea, except almost none of these sites make mention of the 4850s fan and temperature issues in any great detail which is currently the biggest problem with the 4850, and it was the biggest problem with the 3800 series at launch as well

I would HOPE that when ATI does the REAL launch not the "beta launch" that they are running now that they will have real drivers that actually.. you know.. make the fans actually work the way they are supposed to so that the card isn't hot enough to cook steaks on?

Vr-zone was probably the only site that actually mentions these fan issues because they went to the trouble of buying FOUR 4850 gpus for a quad crossfire setup - and guess what? They couldn't run four gpus without artifacting/overheating/crashing and 3 gpus seems to not accelerate performance to any noticeable degree at all over 2.

Now, do you understand why none of these reviews mean a bloody thing until the real launch is live? Because as Jaydeejohn put it quite accurately these reviews are incomplete at best!
June 23, 2008 2:10:47 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
blahblahblah Stakes are high. blahblahblah


What's with all the drama? It's the same dog and pony show it has always been, don't confuse real life woes with a video card that will be yesterday's news tomorrow. Tom's has gone through so many "trusted" and "not trusted" phases who can keep track? We expect bias and read right through it.

I wish the hardware fetishists and I do love you guys, would start using the megaphone to demand better drivers to utilize the gear you already have. Get dramatic about age old bugs and usability issues, everyone uses the drivers not everyone uses Triple SLI and 16xQ FSAA.
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 2:29:13 AM

LOL ok...... Lets see, ummmm try running no AA without drivers, or 16x AA, one thing I know, If I can run it, Im going to. If youre that bored, go fishing or something. Maybe you arent excited about it, but I am, as are others.
June 23, 2008 2:35:35 AM

indeed we all are, although i must say, i have never seen jay D so excited!
June 23, 2008 2:44:37 AM

One thing I must point out is that the 4850 outperform the Ultra in most cases, which is mighty impressive, considering it was once worth at 800+USD. A mainstream beating the last gen highend is quite impressive. It hasnt been done since....well..at launch price of 200USD...has it ever been done??The GTS 320 was worth 300+USD. That is an impressive feat.
June 23, 2008 2:47:20 AM

The 7600GT came close to besting the 6800Ultra, but it couldnt do it.
a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 2:50:05 AM

Well, the G280 was a sort of let down. Theres been no easy answer for a gpu upgrade for awhile now. Maybe this will get the ball moving. Im not just the only one . This in itself is funny, this IS the time to be excited. Anybody want to upgrade from their 8800s? Anyone been able to?
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a b U Graphics card
June 23, 2008 3:11:32 AM

^ i still have my 8800 gts 640... still nothing that's dramatically better and that's worth upgrading to
June 23, 2008 3:12:42 AM

who really needs to upgrade their 8800s, it plays 99% of the games phenomenaly anyway. However the cards are starting to show their age, games like Mass Effect, AC, and the game that is probably tougher than crysis, Call of Juarez DX10. We Will NOT! see the performace we expect, UNTIL!!, Real DX 10 aka 10.1 is implemeneted into gamesin AC with 10.1, we saw the 3870 acting like a highend card, beating the 8800s, an impressive feat! The potential of the 4800s and DX 10.1 is out there.
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