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June 4, 2008 3:21:22 AM

So, I have just started my first build. Here is the cart, from newegg.
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit=Add&itemList=N82E16814150261%7c1%2cN82E16827118004%7c2%2cN82E16815260007%7c1%2cN82E16822148317%7c1%2cN82E16819115037%7c1%2cN82E16820300608%7c1%2cN82E16817152028%7c1%2cN82E16813131188%7c1%2cN82E16811144205%7c1%2cN82E16820231122%7c1%2cN82E16822145137%7c1
NOTE: This will add my entire computer to your newegg.com cart, so I suggest you make sure your cart is empty. I couldn't find a better way to put my cart here, unless I type everything by hand. Copying+pasting removes the formatting.

Anyways, I have a few questions. First of all, are there any products you see that I absolutely should not get? (Either because of lack of ease of use, or product is not good quality). Second, I have a little problem. My budget is $1200, but after taxes and shipping, I am ~$55 over. Most of the things have free shipping, but the taxes really pile up. Can you guys think of anything that can be changed out for a lower price?

Thanks in advance!

P.S. : When looking at the images of the case, it seems almost as if standard PSUs will not fit. Could you guys please check that out?

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June 4, 2008 3:40:20 AM

Okay, after a little research, it seems the PSU might be more than needed. But I'll go by whatever you say.
June 4, 2008 3:44:50 AM

Don't buy Deathstar (Deskstar) drives. IBM ditched its drive unit for a reason.

Apevia makes terrible PSUs that melt when used, so I doubt their cases are much better, you might want to consider another case.

Why 2 DVD burners? Do you plan on burning a bunch of DVDs?

RAIDMAX PSUs are pieces of s****. Get rid of that thing and stay as far away from it as you possibly can. Instead get a real PSU such as the Corsair 550VX. Yes it is $100, but a real PSU costs money.

Pick up the $94 version of the memory instead for the 4-4-4-12 timings.

As for the motherboard, ditch it and get this one instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128337

What OS are you going to run?

PSU link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004&Tpk=550VX

CPU: change to E7200.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115052&Tpk=E7200 Overclock it.

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June 4, 2008 4:10:43 AM

I'll change out the hard drive, and I'll see about the case. (Haven't seen anything bad about the case yet.)

I don't need 2 DVD burners, I just need 1 Combo w/LightScribe, and the other needs to be able to read DVDs and burn CDs. The reason I chose two of the same was because it seemed to be cheap.

I'll change out the PSU too, but I now am thinking I don't really need 550W. More like 350-400.

I'll switch out the memory too, not a big price difference. From what I've heard on P35-DS3(x) boards, the DS3P is the best, but it is sold out. The DS3L does seem better than my current board though. My only concern is that it only has 4 SATA 3.0 Gb ports.

I will be running a WinXP MCE x86/Vista Ultimate x64 Dual Boot. I already have the OSs, so no need to add that to budget.

On the CPU, the only reason I am hesitant to change is that overclocking isn't exactly what I would love to do, for the simple reason that it reduces PC life. (I'm not getting another one for a few years.) The E7200 is much slower than the E8400 unless I overclock.

Thanks for all this, but one problem. Will all this be under budget?

Btw: Does my Graphics card look okay for gaming?
June 4, 2008 4:18:58 AM

All DVD burners also burn CDs at 48-52x.

Change your case to this then:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024&Tpk=Sonta%2bIII
Solid case and it comes with a solid 500W PSU. Takes care of two birds with one stone.

Unless you upgrade every ten years, that is a moot point. The life is reduced by a very small margin. Otherwise you would not have major PC publications touting OC power of Intel CPUs.
June 4, 2008 4:22:31 AM

Yes, that is a good case, and perfect for the price. I was hoping for a full size case with a bit more "bling" (lights, LCD panels, etc.), but if all else fails I will turn to the Sonata.
June 4, 2008 4:25:54 AM

Sorry for the double post, but:
So you think I should just go with the E7200? I do not have a lot of OC'ing experience, and I don't want to burn it out or something. If it is as easy as some people say, then why not?! Might as well try new things.

Can you suggest another 500GB harddrive to replace the deathstar :)  ? I would prefer to get things with cables and such, otherwise I will need someone to tell me exactly what cables to get.

I'm assuming a stock cooler would not work at all if I overclock. I can tell you, if I get the E7200, I will want to OC past 3.0Ghz, otherwise it will be worthless switching from the E8400. Can someone suggest a good cooler that is easy to install?
June 4, 2008 12:50:57 PM

umm. not to change your setup, but check these items from ZipZoomFly... I'm in the states ans taxes are outragious in my state... 10%.. Gotta love TN.. But with ZZF I have no taxes to worry about and most the stuff I get from there is free shipping.. Between ZZF and NEgg.. I can usually find the best deal online.. Based on taxes/shipping charges.. as well as cost.. They are 2 of the least expensive, without rebates, I've seen..
But anyhow.. here is what I found at ZZF.. mix and match with what you have already listed... you will come out cheaper al around...

$154.99 Case : Thermaltake Armor Series VA8003BWS Full Tower Case w/25cm Fan Side Panel (Black)

$27.99 DVDRW : PIONEER DVR-215DBK 20X SATA

$109.99 HD : SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD753LJ 750GB SATA 7200 RPM 32MB Buffer

TV Tuners are a hit/miss.... I can't recommend one over the other, personally..

$234.99 Vcard : ASUS EN8800GTS/HTDP/512M Geforce 8800 GTS 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 + $30 rebate=$199 for this card!

$88.90 Power : CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W Active Power Supply

internal card reader you picked is great....

$83.90 memory : CORSAIR XMS2 4GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 Memory Kit TWIN2X4096-6400C5 Memory Retail

$139.99 motherboard : GIGABYTE GA-EP35C-DS3R Intel P35 Core 2 Quad Socket 775 1600 MHz PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333) ATX

$191.50 cpu : INTEL Core 2 Duo E8400 3.00 GHz 1333 MHz 775 6MB Desktop Processor

Items from ZZF=$1032.25 add in the free shipping on some of the items, and if the no tax applys to your state when ordering from them.. You can end up with the exact thing you want, while spending less..
I hope this helps you out.......


Oh. on the dvd burner.. I chose one without lightscribe.. : LS is a waste in my opinion. It takes forever to burn the ls, and it rapidly decreases your dvrives life time.. I think a printer with a cd label making kit, would be the best bet. I have my 1st burned cd still. It is 10yrs old. and the data is still in tack.. It is also the 1st cd I ever made a label for as well.. label still looks new as well..

Max-i-mus
June 4, 2008 9:17:37 PM

blerb said:
Sorry for the double post, but:
So you think I should just go with the E7200? I do not have a lot of OC'ing experience, and I don't want to burn it out or something. If it is as easy as some people say, then why not?! Might as well try new things.

Can you suggest another 500GB harddrive to replace the deathstar :)  ? I would prefer to get things with cables and such, otherwise I will need someone to tell me exactly what cables to get.

I'm assuming a stock cooler would not work at all if I overclock. I can tell you, if I get the E7200, I will want to OC past 3.0Ghz, otherwise it will be worthless switching from the E8400. Can someone suggest a good cooler that is easy to install?


Seagate 500GB 7200.11 is fine. Just make sure to get one with 32MB cache.
June 5, 2008 4:31:37 AM

your new motherboard will come with cables.. so no worries on getting your drives connected..
June 5, 2008 4:37:32 AM

@chuckm: I don't really trust buy.com anymore, they are not really very reliable.
@Max-i-mus: ZipZoomFly is a great place to get things, but they didn't have everything I wanted, and I don't want to split the PC with two sites.
@Everyone Else: So I decided not to go with the E7200, I don't really care too much about overclocking it. If I feel the need, I can still overclock my E8400 to some extent. And also, the RAM that had the better timings is out of stock, all the others are too expensive. I am fine with 5-5-5-15. Here is my complete cart, again.

http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit...
Updated Link Below
June 5, 2008 9:16:12 PM

The time only I've really used buy.com is these power supplies Did you have a bad experience with them?
June 6, 2008 12:08:18 AM

Yeah, I was getting a joystick and a monitor. Joystick came as the wrong product, and monitor was DOA. Contacted customer service, got a mailing label, mailed them back, and never got a response. I called them 2 weeks later and they said I had never even requested support, or mailed them a joystick+monitor. :( 
June 6, 2008 1:13:36 AM

Well I can see why they won't get your business. I got my PSU from there and probably the last 5 or 6 for the builds I do.The customer ordered them so they could get the rebate and use the google checkout and there's not been a problem or had to return one.
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