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April 28, 2009 7:08:09 AM

i recently built a system using the same setup from toms cpu article "Overclocking Core i7: Power Versus Performance". So i have a i7 920 on a p6t asus board with corsair dominator series ddr3 mem, but instead of using an air cooler i went out and picked up a thermaltake bigwater 760is water cooling setup using fusion xp+ nano coolant inplace of thermaltakes stock coolant. I got everything up and running (stock haven't tried to oc yet) and ran prime95 stress test while running real temp 3.0 and after about 5min i stopped the test because temps on all four cores where getting close to 80c i usually idle around 36-44c. i have seen online reviews using the bigwater and some air systems with much better results, what is wrong?, this cant be normal.

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April 28, 2009 8:07:41 AM

idle sounds right, you need to check all pieces for holes/setup errors, i would start with that, 2nd, what thermal paste you use? and did you make sure the HSF is down securely/paste applied right... start with that
a c 86 K Overclocking
April 28, 2009 11:55:26 AM

It's normal. You have bought a TT WC system. It CANNOT dissipate the heat. The block is unable to remove the heat, and the rad is not capable of keeping the Delta T temps within reason. Besides pump failures and amazing cracks in the CPU block. It's not your fault at all, you just didn't know.

I'm sorry you spent your money on that.

To make your eyes open up, here is a buncha links to see what WC is really about.

Don't expect to be able to know much about watercooling, what to buy, how to set it up etc till you have read, please for all of us, a few weeks. Hang out and learn.

It's a hobby and not something you can just buy at Best Buy.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php? Not a noob site, but great stickies
http://www.ocforums.com/ My fav, good peeps, know their stuff, less hardcore
http://www.skinneelabs.com/MartinsLiquidLab/
http://www.over-clock.com/ivb/inde [...] opic=20277 A GREAT Europe site
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] n&ie=UTF-8 Info on rad testing
http://skinneelabs.com/
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=...

Stores
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/
http://www.performance-pcs.com


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a c 330 K Overclocking
April 28, 2009 2:20:02 PM

Yep, like Conumdrum stated, you got suckered into the overly-hyped TT kits that work like crap. Also, stay away from the Zalman Reserator as well. Most of us also don't recommend Koolance, either. Maybe you can see if you can RMA the TT kit or simply return it. If so, get into some real WC gear if you are wanting to go that route.
April 28, 2009 8:58:18 PM

Conumdrum said:
It's normal. You have bought a TT WC system. It CANNOT dissipate the heat. The block is unable to remove the heat, and the rad is not capable of keeping the Delta T temps within reason. Besides pump failures and amazing cracks in the CPU block. It's not your fault at all, you just didn't know.

I'm sorry you spent your money on that.

To make your eyes open up, here is a buncha links to see what WC is really about.

Don't expect to be able to know much about watercooling, what to buy, how to set it up etc till you have read, please for all of us, a few weeks. Hang out and learn.

It's a hobby and not something you can just buy at Best Buy.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php? Not a noob site, but great stickies
http://www.ocforums.com/ My fav, good peeps, know their stuff, less hardcore
http://www.skinneelabs.com/MartinsLiquidLab/
http://www.over-clock.com/ivb/inde [...] opic=20277 A GREAT Europe site
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] n&ie=UTF-8 Info on rad testing
http://skinneelabs.com/
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=...

Stores
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/
http://www.performance-pcs.com



thank you for being honest, I'll take your advice and do some more research before i go out and buy another setup. I will be returning the bigwater kit today (I bought it at my local frys electronics).
a c 330 K Overclocking
April 28, 2009 9:13:16 PM

Whew...good call! Good luck...let us know if you have any specific questions...otherwise...lots of reading to you!
April 28, 2009 9:34:03 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Yep, like Conumdrum stated, you got suckered into the overly-hyped TT kits that work like crap. Also, stay away from the Zalman Reserator as well. Most of us also don't recommend Koolance, either. Maybe you can see if you can RMA the TT kit or simply return it. If so, get into some real WC gear if you are wanting to go that route.



Thanks for the info, do u have any recommendations on kits or brands. I'm willing to spend close to a grand on a good cooling system if i have too. do you have an opinion on the zalman z-machine lq1000 or should i go another route and buy a cpu block, radiator, and pump. I have had good service with danger den and thought about picking up the parts from them, a DD-CPX Pro 12V 3 Pin Powered Pump, Black Ice GTX Xtreme Radiator , and the MC-TDX waterblock. any suggestions would be appriciated.
a c 330 K Overclocking
April 28, 2009 9:56:46 PM

Quote:
or should i go another route and buy a cpu block, radiator, and pump


This would be the answer I give, as would most of us. Don't use the TDX...go with a Swiftech Apogee or D-tek...even an EK CPU block. Read through some of those links Conumdrum posted.

Are you going to cool video cards?
a c 86 K Overclocking
April 28, 2009 10:57:33 PM

Once you learn the difference between the rad brands you'll find out the Black Ice Xtreme (BIX to us guys) is a powerful rad...... As long as you like $20+ fans spinning at speeds enough to cut you to the bone, loud as a vacumm cleaner etc etc.

There are better brands of rads for general use. I even had a link in there for rad tests. Here is another newer link for rads.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22...
All you gotta do is read. Please don't rush your purchases.

Danger Den makes some nice stuff. I buy from him, I use his GPU waterblocks. His prices are decent and they have the best customer service. He only manufactures blocks. Pumps, rads, etc is rebadged great quality stuff.

His latest CPU block is pretty good, but it's been eclpsed by other CPU blocks. You'll see what peeps like once you get into the forums and spend at least a few hours reading.

A CPU only loop will only cost you $400 tops for a really nice loop using top quality stuff. maybe a bit more if you go for the best pump combo, uber compression fittings and amazing 90 deg rotary fittings, a PA 120.3 rad etc, then your closer to $500.

But you don't need that much

Rad 60
Pump 70
CPU block 65
res 25
fans 20
fittings, hose etc. 30
a c 86 K Overclocking
April 29, 2009 11:49:21 AM

michaelmk86 said:
Weird, others review show that the Coolit Systems Domino A.L.C is better than all the others air coolers.
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cooling/Cool...
http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/cooling/images/CoolIT_Domino/Temps_Overclocked.gif


Wow, 5 cooling parts reviews since Oct 2007. They are a top review site for cooling stuff, NOT.

This link will show you what good reviews are really like once you get away from the retail hype.
http://martin.skinneelabs.com/SwiftechMCR320-Review.htm...
It's based on science.


http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/coolit_dominoal...
Did you see that the standard Air cooled TRUE beats the Domino? They overclocked to 3.2 GHZ, thats low for that processor.

The fan on performance setting is VERY loud. The rad is physically too small to even think of keeping it cool like a proper watercooling loop can.

I read reviews a lot. You know many sites that review things also sell them? Or have happy non-professional relationships with the manufactuerers? Their testing methods sometimes are suspect and sometimes a joke. My god, the site even has a link for ThermalTake, the biggest trash watercooling on the planet. Do you think this site has even reviewed a proper watercooling setup? Not ONE, ever.

You want watercooling for a modern CPU, your looking at $200-250 kinda on the low end. No one has beat the stuff that you buy in parts and build yourself.

In fact on my home forum, a guy had a Zalman full system and spent over $700 and found out it's pretty much junk and has to start all over, all his Zalman stuff is junk. Seen more than one Coolit system replaced and many Thermaltake systems tossed like the trash they are.
a c 330 K Overclocking
April 29, 2009 2:28:15 PM

CoolIt Domino...once it fails, all your componets fail...like falling dominoes.

(Came up with that one all on my own!)
April 30, 2009 9:17:25 AM

Conumdrum said:
The rad is physically too small to even think of keeping it cool like a proper watercooling loop can.

But Coolit Systems Domino A.L.C do the job and performs similar or better to others good air coolers.
Will this Coolit Systems Domino A.L.C be good to cool a q6600 3.6 v1.55 in a room temp 33C.
a c 330 K Overclocking
April 30, 2009 2:02:31 PM

1.55v? Isn't that pushing that chip past the threshold of top-limits of voltage? I could be wrong, but mine is a 1.225VID and it's at 3.6 @ 1.375v.

But getting back to the cooler...try it out and see what you get. I am quite skeptical that it can.
April 30, 2009 5:38:47 PM

michaelmk86 said:
But Coolit Systems Domino A.L.C do the job and performs similar or better to others good air coolers.



WTF, you're just parroting what you've read on a site that has already been explained to you is suspect, likely with ties to the manufacturer (paid reviews are very common in this industry).

And besides, 'similar or better' to 'good air coolers' at what, 3x or 4x the cost? What's the point? Do it right, or don't bother.

A wealth of good info has been provided by conumdrum and others, I suggest you read and research before wasting your money.
a c 330 K Overclocking
April 30, 2009 7:41:03 PM

If you are going to start clunking down the cash for the Domino, why not keep going and get a cooling solution that works long-term with proven results?
May 1, 2009 10:50:14 AM

The problem is that I have a small case and the big air coolers don’t fit. The Coolit Systems Domino A.L.C i can place it out side the case but I am concerned how good this Domino will cool my q6600 3.6GHz.
a c 330 K Overclocking
May 1, 2009 1:16:36 PM

You seem hell-bent on proving that it is superior to anything we are saying. Just get it and report back with what you find. If you don't want the advice from people, stop flaming them and just get what you already have your mind set on getting. Just let us all know what happens.
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