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June 8, 2008 12:52:23 AM

So I am going to try building my first own desktop myself. :p 
The building will not be the problem but choosing the parts is...
Thats where I need help..

I've been reading/posting a lot on this forum lately and I'm pretty sure about some things
but actually I'm totally noob about computerparts and wich are the best choice...

I'm going to use my desktop for gaming (best settings preferably) and just for downloading some games/videos/music, surfing and a lot of other stuff...
So I want it to be fast and good!
My budget is around 1500$ maybey if it's really worth it I can make some extra 200$ available.
I'm not a cheapo, I'm prepared to pay more money for a good quality and maybey some future-proofness...
I'm planning on using this for like 3 years (will update some things in the meantime...)

Ow yea and I need it to be a bit silent, so you don't notice its on... (no lights in the front, no flashy things in the front...)
just for my parents :p 

This are my toughts (I'm totally noob at this, just compared some numbers on newegg trying to find the best buy, but I don't even know what the numbers mean so yea... :p )


CPU:
I'm not sure about this, some say dual core for gaming and some say quad...
some benchmarks say dual still owns, some say quad... need some help choosing :p 

Should I take dual (aprox 150$ cheaper), and get a quad in 2 years?
The quads should be a lot cheaper then so now I save 150 and then I can buy a lot better one?

This would be it for dual core:
E8400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and this for quad core:
Q9450
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Actually, the 9450 is 130$ higher then the 6600!! (0.16 less),
Is it worth the price difference? or can the 6600 overclock to just as high as the 9450 can overclock??
So I'm seriously thinking about 6600 if I go quad...

Motherboard:
ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Dunno, It's compatible with my (quad or dual) processor and has some very good comments??
or this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or this 40$ cheaper) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
took the one with the most cache
what is RAID 0?

Video card
people say to wait till new versions come out at the end of the month, I have time enough so I can wait...
I think I am going to take a single videocard but I want to be able to add another one after
(if needed, or when I upgrade my monitor)
MSI RX3870-T2D512E OC Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card ??
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wich one is good?

SLi or Crossfire is not needed because I take 22 inch screen?

Case:
Does it need onboard cooling, or is it better to buy that seperate?
I don't care about the looks if it performs well!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this one is ok, but the included fans are a lil loud they say, are there better cases for this price?
(without fans is ok 2, I'll buy them myself)
I want to spend a lil more for a excellent case... wich one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
the antec 900 is very well ventilated, but loud when set on high speed (fans)
I don't like loud, so is there a case without fans (or a case with good,silent fans) without the front lights preferable (I don't want other people to see if the desktop is running or not :p )

PSU
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, CE, C-tick, CCC, CB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this one?? I'm planning to overclock a bit...
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC, CCC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ??

OS
I don't have experience with vista, but I thnk I'll stick with Xp for a while because I hear some things don't work on vista and xp is better for gaming...
And what is the difference between 32 and 64bit OS?

monitor:
I'm going to take a 22 inch unless people say to take 24 inch here are some:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

Cooling
a CPU cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Do I need moe cooling?

Semi-important things
a mouse
a keyborard
a sound-card?
a surround system,
a CD/DVD burner/reader? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
...
Any recommodations for that?


Thanks very much!!!
And remember, around 1500$ for everything including monitor!

Vasco
June 8, 2008 1:10:25 AM

I think you'd be fine with a 20-22in monitor. I wouldn't pay more than $300 for a monitor either.

Like you said, wait for the new graphics cards to come out then come back and see which one has the best price/performance.

SLI/Crossfire is running 2(or more) graphics cards to in some cases double performance. You need an Nvidia motherboard to run sli(2nvidia cards) or an AMD or Intel motherboard to run crossfire(2ATI cards)
motherboard to run crossfire
I perfer Nvidia motherboards because I just like Nvidia better so I would choose this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
But if you are planning on getting an ATI card and going crossfire sometime later than the motherboard you chose should be fine.

I perfer quad core's for their future-profing, you might not see a difference now but in a year they'll have an edge.

The case is really up to you but just make sure it says ATX in the description so you know your motherboard fits in it.
Personally I'd go for an Antec 900 but really it depends on what you like.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

One last suggestion, go with this powersupply.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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June 8, 2008 1:44:20 AM

Theres only one teensy problem with that PSU....its not an actual PSU
It has no ATX, cpu or or sata connections....its only meant for Graphics cards....but thats fine if its what u want

I would never ever suggest SLI/Crossfire unless there is a 24"+ monitor involved.....get a good single card and a P35/X38/X48 board
June 8, 2008 2:08:58 AM

^ Agreed its designed to take the load of the main PSU on multi GPU setups.

Agree with the 900, the Antec 900 for that price is great...

Sound Cards aren't really needed in modern computers, they usually come inbuilt.
Mouse and Keyboard... Depends what you want. Theres usually no performance decrease because of a selection. If you go wireless, get a name brand, they usually ooperate in better frequencies. My personal favourites ATM is Logitech. Sound system, I like 5.1 ch, mostly because I got a $50 system which is pretty good. Personal preferences get in the way here, but you want something with a Sub and decent wattage.

You'll want at least a DVD burner, go with something with a SATA interface. You can even get ones with lightscribe for around $40, go with a LiteOn if possible.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
June 8, 2008 3:25:55 AM

Case--COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP $90.00
Motherboard--ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard $300.00
Hard drive--Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500AAKS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB $60.00X2 For Raid 0
memory G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail $150.00
video card--MSI RX3870-T2D512E OC Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP $175.00
power supply Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $150.00

This is a computer me and my younger brother built for him and it was less than 1000.00

You will just need Monitor, Speakers, Optical Drive, Keyboard, Mouse or you can use some of these from your last computer.

I forgot i had a e8400 i gave him and if i was you I would get this or a Q6600 to over clock. if not the quad core you showed would be good.
June 8, 2008 3:55:57 AM

I just posted a rig for 1500. I'm considering the 2 HDs in Raid 0 that Pcnut suggested, but this may be difficult for you to setup (depending on your tech experience) It doesn't include a monitor, but if you take out the second hard drive, expensive mouse/keyboard you should have the $300.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/252102-31-1500-gaming...
June 8, 2008 9:19:43 AM

What is Raid 0??
I'm not sure about taking a 22' or 24' monitor...
I don't even know what inch monitor I have now...
Is 24' big?? to much? 22' plenty?
June 8, 2008 11:18:48 AM

Need to do a search on internet for raid to learn about this. I could tell you but better to learn on your own.

As far as monitors go to a electronics store and look at them so you know what you want. they will tell you the size. I have a samsung widescreen 24" LCD that is 1920X1200 resolution and I love it.
June 8, 2008 3:20:01 PM

Is there some site that show the size of a 24" so I can compare to my current screen?
what cooling do I have to take? are the other components ok?
June 8, 2008 4:09:30 PM

need to go look at in person. go to walmart or somewhere that sells electronics and look in person
June 8, 2008 8:11:00 PM

and about the other parts can anyone help me out?
thanks!!
June 9, 2008 9:18:33 AM

can anyone help me with cooling, what power suply etc?
June 9, 2008 10:16:06 AM

power supply Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $150.00
is a good power supply and it is on sale at this price.

as far as cooling get this CPU cooler and you should be ok it runs slow and still dose a good job. so you will not hear it.

Also if you will read where people have posted it has all the information you need as far as parts.. I would also go with the Q6600 if you want a quad core and later you can go to the 9450 of better after prices come down.
June 9, 2008 1:15:03 PM

is there a case as 'good' as the antec 900, but just without the lights etc in front? I assume a lot of that 120$ is because of the look?? Whats so good about the 900 other than the looks?
June 9, 2008 1:17:07 PM

PCnut said:
power supply Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $150.00
is a good power supply and it is on sale at this price.

as far as cooling get this CPU cooler and you should be ok it runs slow and still dose a good job. so you will not hear it.


Get what CPU cooler?
June 9, 2008 4:19:46 PM

thanks man :p 
June 9, 2008 6:39:28 PM

still looking for case/cooling/video card help :p 
June 9, 2008 7:13:33 PM

First of all that entire system is wasting money.

CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Very nice quadcore, it performs great and for a decent price.

Cooler:
Same as above, that thing is nice, but buy a new fan for it, the included one is rather loud:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
^ I recommend those for all fan emplacements in any particular case.

Motherboard:
The Rampage is much too expensive for no gain in performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It is out of stock now, but is worth waiting, if not buy it here:
http://www.directron.com/gaex38ds4.html
Or
(only if you go with option 2 with video cards)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
that is very good RAM for a decent price.

Hard drive:
The one you picked out is great.

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Absolutely one of, if not the best power supplies on the market, if you don't want a 1000w that is, this thing can handle 2 9800 GX2s easily and is VERY quiet. Yes it is the Crossfire Edition, but it still supports crossfire and SLI, its just red and cheaper.

Case:
Definatley the CM 690, that is a beautiful and well designed case.

OS:
I recommend Vista 64-bit, most of the problems people have are rare or from MAC fanboys, I'm very content with my Vista, and my PC is not half of this one, yet.

Monitor:
For the latest systems a 24" is preferred, but a 22" is plenty:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card:
And here we are, this is the MOST IMPORTANT piece of hardware for ANY gaming machine out there, and should NEVER be the cheapest component, no offence. I DO recommend waiting until next month, the ATI 4870s should be out around then and only for $300, but if you don't want to wait you can buy a 3870 X2 now for a little bit more and get what is most likely only slightly worse performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Just remember this video card produces a lot of heat and so might be slightly loud and will require a decent amount of fans, but the 690 with 5-6 of those Slipstream fans should more than do the job. If you are still set on Silence then you should get two of these cards:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With the ATI card and motherboard that's about $1500-$1600 with over $100 in rebates, assuming you buy 7 of those fans.
With Nvidia cards and motherboard that's about $1600-$1700 with even more than $100 in rebates, again assuming you buy 7 fans.

Whatever you do make sure to buy 1 fan intaking for the front, 2 fans exhausting for the top, 1 fan exhausting for the rear, 1 fan intaking for the bottom-most side, and 1 fan intaking for the bottom of the case, that will give you all the cooling you need and will be nice and quiet with those fans in a Cooler Master 690. Please, PLEASE, do not go any cheaper on those graphics cards than that, or your $1500 machine wont perform well in games like the way it should. That is the absolute best you can do for that PC, unless you cut a few corners, but that wont save even $100. Please ask ANY questions you have and I will give you the best answers possible, I want to see you with one kick ass machine!
June 9, 2008 7:56:52 PM

^Agree on PSU, GPU(8800GTS assuming no Crossfire, although I would prefer XFX,EVGA that card is pretty good for $), Motherboard, and CPU (again, depends on if pure gaming build).
June 9, 2008 7:59:21 PM

The E8400 is a great choice for gaming. It beats the the Q6600. BUT not the Q9450. If you want to be future proof go with the Q9450.

If your getting the Asus X48 you only be able to use Crossfire not SLI.
If you want SLI you should get the 780i from EVGA or XFX. it cost around $250.

For the Operating system go with Vista Home Premium 64bit. With 64bit you be able to take advantage of 4gbs of RAM or more. Don't worry. If you get less than 4gb's you can still use a 64bit os.
With gaming Dont worry. You wont suffer in gaming with Vista. XP and Vista perform the same with games. Its beem proven in Benchmarks.

nice choice for Cooling. No changes need to be made there. its a good cooler

June 10, 2008 10:07:41 AM

WOW, thats a hell of a helpfull post!!!

The_Blood_Raven said:
First of all that entire system is wasting money.
CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Very nice quadcore, it performs great and for a decent price.

Why not a Q6600 then? It's even less? or does the 45nm make the difference?
And I'm still thinking about getting the E8400, can he handle games, surfing, downloading etc...well?
And then in about 2 years I'm buying a great quad when the prices are down... (nehalm etc...)
Or should I go quad immediatly?
Quote:

Same as above, that thing is nice, but buy a new fan for it, the included one is rather loud:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So replace the fans in my case with these..? What case ur talking about 'the included one' the RC690?

Quote:
Motherboard:
The Rampage is much too expensive for no gain in performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It is out of stock now, but is worth waiting, if not buy it here:
http://www.directron.com/gaex38ds4.html
Or
(only if you go with option 2 with video cards)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is it really no gain at all? Or gain that I don't need?
I'll buy the video cards seperate, better ones probably...

Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
that is very good RAM for a decent price.
Is it better then the 10$ cheaper G-skill ram??
Quote:

Hard drive:
The one you picked out is great.

WOOT! I did one thing rite!
Now I'm shure I will stay with that :p 

Quote:
PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Absolutely one of, if not the best power supplies on the market, if you don't want a 1000w that is, this thing can handle 2 9800 GX2s easily and is VERY quiet. Yes it is the Crossfire Edition, but it still supports crossfire and SLI, its just red and cheaper.

Very quiet I like ;p, is it better than the antec and corsair? (up)
And how much W would I need? (+-1000?, +- 500? (and take 750 to be safe?)
Quote:

Case:
Definatley the CM 690, that is a beautiful and well designed case.

Lots of people told me about him, bit also lots of people go for: Antec 900, RC-690 and P182 so wich one? :p 

Quote:
OS:
I recommend Vista 64-bit, most of the problems people have are rare or from MAC fanboys, I'm very content with my Vista, and my PC is not half of this one, yet.

I'm still very much going to XP, because I hear people complain about vista a lot, I also hack (mess around) with a stupid game and they say cheat engine is like blocked by vista etc...

Quote:
Monitor:
For the latest systems a 24" is preferred, but a 22" is plenty:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would go with 24" if it's preferred, but then I would have to go with SLi or Crossfire? or not?

Quote:
Video Card:
And here we are, this is the MOST IMPORTANT piece of hardware for ANY gaming machine out there, and should NEVER be the cheapest component, no offence. I DO recommend waiting until next month, the ATI 4870s should be out around then and only for $300, but if you don't want to wait you can buy a 3870 X2 now for a little bit more and get what is most likely only slightly worse performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Just remember this video card produces a lot of heat and so might be slightly loud and will require a decent amount of fans, but the 690 with 5-6 of those Slipstream fans should more than do the job. If you are still set on Silence then you should get two of these cards:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I can wait for about a month, so of they are out then, I can buy (I live in Europe could that be a problem?)
And are there some other very good components coming out in that month
(like ones I should get for sure and that are worth waiting for?)

Quote:
With the ATI card and motherboard that's about $1500-$1600 with over $100 in rebates, assuming you buy 7 of those fans.
With Nvidia cards and motherboard that's about $1600-$1700 with even more than $100 in rebates, again assuming you buy 7 fans.

I don't know but people on this forum let me know that ATI is better than Nvidia atm and they say to NOT go SLi(NVidia 2 cards) but Crossfire (ATI 2 cards) Is that right?

Quote:
Whatever you do make sure to buy 1 fan intaking for the front, 2 fans exhausting for the top, 1 fan exhausting for the rear, 1 fan intaking for the bottom-most side, and 1 fan intaking for the bottom of the case, that will give you all the cooling you need and will be nice and quiet with those fans in a Cooler Master 690. Please, PLEASE, do not go any cheaper on those graphics cards than that, or your $1500 machine wont perform well in games like the way it should. That is the absolute best you can do for that PC, unless you cut a few corners, but that wont save even $100. Please ask ANY questions you have and I will give you the best answers possible, I want to see you with one kick ass machine!

Thanks for that tip! Very handy :D 
Thanks man, u learned me a lot... :p 
Ow yeah, my budget is gone up a bit, I can now handle a price of 2400$ (This is just calculated from euros to dollar, maybe this is false because prices are higher in Belgium? 2400$= 1500 euro * 1.6,
BUT that's like totally the MAXIMUM, then all my pockets are empty :p 
June 10, 2008 11:17:19 AM

Quote:
Is it really no gain at all? Or gain that I don't need?
I'll buy the video cards seperate, better ones probably...

You won't notice much difference in OCing between the Gigabyte DS4 and the RAMPAGE. The RAMPAGE is designed to push QX class CPUs.

Quote:

Very quiet I like ;p, is it better than the antec and corsair? (up)
And how much W would I need? (+-1000?, +- 500? (and take 750 to be safe?)

Corsair is a good PSU manufacture, probably equal to PP&C imo, you can run that rig on 550W as long as it's a good PSU.

Quote:
I can wait for about a month, so of they are out then, I can buy (I live in Europe could that be a problem?)
And are there some other very good components coming out in that month
(like ones I should get for sure and that are worth waiting for?)

Would be a good idea to wait until mid July, if you want to get started get a cheap card like a 8400GS so you can have the PC OCed and ready to go when the new GPUs come out.

Quote:
I don't know but people on this forum let me know that ATI is better than Nvidia atm and they say to NOT go SLi(NVidia 2 cards) but Crossfire (ATI 2 cards) Is that right?

Umm.. no. You can't really tell who the better manufacture is with out comparing cards (ie 8800GTS > 3650; 8600<3850). And yes unless you plan to play at 1600*1100 you won't really need SLI/CrossFire.
June 10, 2008 11:39:14 AM

Quote:

You won't notice much difference in OCing between the Gigabyte DS4 and the RAMPAGE. The RAMPAGE is designed to push QX class CPUs.


I'm probably never gonna get a QX, so it's a waste of money I'll leave the rampage thing... :p 
Quote:

Corsair is a good PSU manufacture, probably equal to PP&C imo, you can run that rig on 550W as long as it's a good PSU.

HQ 550W is enough to power everything?, but taking a HQ 650W would not hurt? just to have some space left for when I buy better/more components?

Quote:
Would be a good idea to wait until mid July, if you want to get started get a cheap card like a 8400GS so you can have the PC OCed and ready to go when the new GPUs come out.

I'll buy all around thesame time so no problem with the waiting :p 

Shadow703793 said:
Quote:
I don't know but people on this forum let me know that ATI is better than Nvidia atm and they say to NOT go SLi(NVidia 2 cards) but Crossfire (ATI 2 cards) Is that right?

Umm.. no. You can't really tell who the better manufacture is with out comparing cards (ie 8800GTS > 3650; 8600<3850). And yes unless you plan to play at 1600*1100 you won't really need SLI/CrossFire.

So for a 22" or 24" SLI or Crossfire is really needed?
Or a good single (coming in a month?) video card well be good?
I saw someone saying SLI and so on is not needed, just to brag for friends etc...
So NVidia isn'r that bad? they said it had a lot of problems and errors etc...
So I just wait till the new Video cards to decide wich brand...
June 10, 2008 2:31:06 PM

I really can't choose between quad or dual
Whats best when OC'ed a bit?
E8400 or
Q9450/6700?
Would it be wise to go E8400 now and in 2 years buy a quad?,
wich will be much better and cheaper then??

thanks!
June 10, 2008 5:27:30 PM

anyone going to add something??
I'm sure of the HDD, RAM, CPU cooler, PSU and CD/DVD burner

Now I'm also sure I am going to take quad core, but wich one is the question...

Then I also need help with mobo, case, monitor and that would be it? :p 

thanks
June 10, 2008 8:10:26 PM

and for video card I am going to wait :p 
June 10, 2008 8:35:26 PM

If going quad consider the Q6600.
June 10, 2008 9:09:55 PM

Get the Q9300, it is a 1333 FSB that way you can use the X38, the Q6600 would not work on the X38 as well since it does not natively support the lower 1066 FSB the Q6600 requires. The Q9450 is a great chip, but the difference is not huge, at this point it is all a matter of taste.

Thing about SLI/Crossfire is that the memory does not stack, so you are still only using the memory of one of the chips instead of two, this means that the performance at higher resolution does not increase much, but texture, shader, and detail performance does stack. This all means that having two cards is not like having the performance of two cards it is more like x1.5 the original, also the cards must be EXACTLY the same, manufacturer and all. 24" is preferred because it boast the 1920x1200 resolution, which is a great resolution for gaming, 22" boasts 1680x1100 or something like that, which is easier on the components but might require more AA or AF details being used.

The fans are great and you should not be afraid of having many of them, they should be fine. Yes the included fans for the 690 are slightly loud.

Get the PC Power and Cooling 750w, the Corsair is very good, but not as good. The PC P&C is slightly more stable and the crossfire edition is at a great price. The system could easily be ran on a good 550w, but that leaves little or no room for upgrading. The PC P&C is future proof.

I say either get the Antec P182 or the Cooler Master 690, both are great cases and both can be pretty quiet with the right fans.

I do all that too on Vista without any problems, but I also understand the XP thing. Research the XP DirectX 10 hack.

Here are some great accessories for a PC that I use, the keyboard has been purchased for all 5 of my computers.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Enjoy!
June 10, 2008 9:24:52 PM

Quote:
Get the Q9300, it is a 1333 FSB that way you can use the X38, the Q6600 would not work on the X38 as well since it does not natively support the lower 1066 FSB the Q6600 requires. The Q9450 is a great chip, but the difference is not huge, at this point it is all a matter of taste.

That's not true. Many people run Q6600 and FSB1066 CPUs on X38. Just check under CPU support for the X38-DS4,etc, and you will see that the FSB1066 CPUs are supported. http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSuppo...


@OP: If going with Vista (esp. with Vista x64) make sure your printer, scanner, WiFi, have Vista drivers.

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So for a 22" or 24" SLI or Crossfire is really needed?
Or a good single (coming in a month?) video card well be good?
I saw someone saying SLI and so on is not needed, just to brag for friends etc...
So NVidia isn'r that bad? they said it had a lot of problems and errors etc...

SLI isn't absolutely necessary if willing to tone down the res and run games at 1200*1100 or so. BUT, if planing to do 1600*1200 then SLI/CrossFire is recommended.

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So NVidia isn'r that bad? they said it had a lot of problems and errors etc...

The "they" should be beaten with a stick for spreading FUD. nVidia has been pretty much pwning ATI with the 8800xxx series GPUs.

As for PSU, if you plan to add a few HDDs and plan to upgrade GPU to the newer cards then go with a PP&C 750.
June 11, 2008 3:04:17 AM

From what I have read, CPUs that have a lower FSB than the standard usually are not as stable. It will work, I never said it wouldn't, but the Q9300 would be more stable on that board than a Q6600, that was my point.
June 11, 2008 11:14:02 AM

Naaahh.... look at the Intel Specs for the X38 chipset, you will see that it natively supports FSB1066. ;) 
June 11, 2008 2:52:48 PM

I would like to get the Q9450 just because I am using it for 2-3 years
and it is also the one that is the best OC'able?
It's just, here in europe they cost pretty much...
the Q6600 is like thesame as a E8500
but Q9450 is way more
June 11, 2008 2:56:21 PM

And does anyone has a site or shop bringing to Europe??
That would be like 800$ cheaper for me!!
Or a good shop/site in Europe is also ok...

thanks!
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