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Started my step-up from my EVGA 9800GTX on the 260. Seeing as how I have $300 in credit on a card that now costs $200, I thought it would be worth it to use it for the GTX260.

I am Queue #81, how long do these usually take?

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ocguy31 wrote :

Started my step-up from my EVGA 9800GTX on the 260. Seeing as how I have $300 in credit on a card that now costs $200, I thought it would be worth it to use it for the GTX260.

I am Queue #81, how long do these usually take?

Check the Evga forums for some idea how fast the Queue is moving.

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There goes EVGA again with their silly over pricing for a few extra mhz OC.

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spathotan wrote :

There goes EVGA again with their silly over pricing for a few extra mhz OC.




Huh? Who doesnt charge more for a factory OC? :ange:

And look at CPUs....E8500 is $100 more for 160mhz....

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ocguy31 wrote :

Huh? Who doesnt charge more for a factory OC? :ange:

And look at CPUs....E8500 is $100 more for 160mhz....



nibitor anyone? the only thing possibly different is the cooler ultimately you want to run below the thermal spec

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ronka wrote :

According to anandtech 260 OVERCLOCKED beats CFX 4870, in this case NV's solution is cheater. CFX4870 is close to 600$ while overclocked 260 with good cooler would cost u no more than 400$


What???.How is that when a single is faster than the gtx260

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Because its not, stop looking for what you want to see.

Both cards have parallel performance 260:4870

The problem with the 4800s is you can't overclock them because they haven't fixed the software to correctly throttle the fan so they just overheat.

I strongly doubt a single gtx260 even overclocked is higher performance than 2 4870s - however I have no doubt that an overclocked gtx260 is going to outperform the 4870 by a good margin

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ronka wrote :

According to anandtech 260 OVERCLOCKED beats CFX 4870, in this case NV's solution is cheater. CFX4870 is close to 600$ while overclocked 260 with good cooler would cost u no more than 400$



Are you out of your mind? Using Anandtech's results, a SINGLE HD4870 beats the GTX260 IN EVERY, YES EVERY GAME TESTED, excluding Oblivion. (By a whopping 1.5 FPS :cry: ) And the Ati card is $100 cheaper!!! The GTX260 and the GTX280 are a joke. Anybody purchasing them are either using the EVGA step-up program, or can't accept the fact that Ati is back in the game. Yes, the GTX280 is the very top performer, but at $650, it's an outrageous waste of money.

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I'm buying SLI gtx260 because I use a nice SLI motherboard that I have no interest in throwing into the trash simply based on the merit that "ATI made a good card"

If I have to buy an x48 motherboard to dual gpu the AMD cards, it is absolutely not cheaper and in all likelihood quite a bit more expensive. The minimum requirements for CF 4870 is dual pcie2.0 lanes running parallel 16x (same with the nvidia cards for SLI) - otherwise they bottleneck as has been shown in tweaktown's reviews.

The single hd4870 beats it at stock clocks, but dollars to donuts say that gtx260 overclocked will beat 4870 overclocked because the 4870 is running near its ceiling while the gtx260 has tons of headroom over its current clocks, and it scales with clock increases.

The 4870? Well who knows because they run too hot to overclock with the current drivers.

There is nothing significantly wrong with AMDs cards at all but there is more to consider than just single card solutions in cases like this - as a current Nvidia SLI owner I have to look at my current platform before making a decision to switch motherboards and in this case, its just a sidegrade for a lot of extra effort if I did.

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Message edited by ovaltineplease on 06-26-2008 at 09:50:42 PM
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Interesting results in the multi-GPU section.
Crysis CF and SLI @ 1680x1050 resolution:
HD 4870 single 35.6 4870 CF 39
8800GT single 25.9 8800GT SLI 46.1
Thats like...... almost a whopping 20% better result and savings of over $300 when using 2 cards?

HD 4870CF does pull ahead at 1920x1200 resolution though - if you're lucky enough to have that big a monitor.

Those guys with an 8800GT/8800GTS/9800GTX and SLI motherboard should be feeling pretty good about now if they have 22" or smaller monitors.

Reply to WR2

Yea, exactly

AMD has to fix their Crossfire and fan software FAST or the hype of the 4800s is going to disappear as quickly as it came in the enthusiast circles.

The greatest thing about the 4870 is its single GPU performance - it is bar none the best value/performance ratio available right now. But the software really needs a lot of work :(

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WR2 wrote :

Interesting results in the multi-GPU section.
Crysis CF and SLI @ 1680x1050 resolution:
HD 4870 single 35.6 4870 CF 39
8800GT single 25.9 8800GT SLI 46.1
Thats like...... almost a whopping 20% better result and savings of over $300 when using 2 cards?

HD 4870CF does pull ahead at 1920x1200 resolution though - if you're lucky enough to have that big a monitor.

Those guys with an 8800GT/8800GTS/9800GTX and SLI motherboard should be feeling pretty good about now if they have 22" or smaller monitors.



Yeah, but Crysis has always run well (comparatively speaking) on Nvidia cards and poorly on Ati cards. Look at the #'s for Crossfire in others games.
Call of Duty 4 1920x1200
4870=82fps
Crossfire 4870=156fps

Oblivion 1920X1200
4870=41fps
Crossfire 4870=71fps

Bioshock 2560x1600
4870=70fps
Crossfire 4870=119fps

I think Crysis isn't a very fair measurement for Ati cards.

Reply to crysis900

Crysis hasn't run poorly on AMD cards since AMD added a crossfire profile to their drivers.

Just because Nvidia had an SLI profile out for the game right away because they worked with the developers doesn't mean that ATI didn't get their chance.

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ronka wrote :

Why it isnt fair? its the best game to stress a gpu in test. ATI 4800 just cant take a heavy loaded game like Crysis.. and we're talking about crysis here and not the future games that would beat Crysis in stressing a gpu.

Not a bright sign for ATI to me. if they cant handle Crysis, they cant handle future games.

so if u want future-proof card 9800GX2 and GTX280 are your choices




nah, stay away from the 9800GX2 - its kinda a doomed card really - I don't think a 9800GX2 has ever been worth what it costs because 9800GTX SLI outperforms it for the same price and 9800GX2 Quad SLI is a microstutter fest.

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ovaltineplease wrote :

I'm buying SLI gtx260 because I use a nice SLI motherboard that I have no interest in throwing into the trash simply based on the merit that "ATI made a good card"

 

If I have to buy an x48 motherboard to dual gpu the AMD cards, it is absolutely not cheaper and in all likelihood quite a bit more expensive. The minimum requirements for CF 4870 is dual pcie2.0 lanes running parallel 16x (same with the nvidia cards for SLI) - otherwise they bottleneck as has been shown in tweaktown's reviews.

 

The single hd4870 beats it at stock clocks, but dollars to donuts say that gtx260 overclocked will beat 4870 overclocked because the 4870 is running near its ceiling while the gtx260 has tons of headroom over its current clocks, and it scales with clock increases.

 

The 4870? Well who knows because they run too hot to overclock with the current drivers.

 

There is nothing significantly wrong with AMDs cards at all but there is more to consider than just single card solutions in cases like this - as a current Nvidia SLI owner I have to look at my current platform before making a decision to switch motherboards and in this case, its just a sidegrade for a lot of extra effort if I did.

 

In reality would be better to save $200 by CF'ing the HD4870's and then use the saved $200 to buy a X38 or even a P45 board! :O

 

Remember people that these are baby drivers. So young that the fans don't even work properly.


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I think people put a bit too much value into Crysis benchmarks. I mean, seriously, I'm getting sick of it now. It's always 'Crysis' this and 'Crysis' that. Not everyone plays the damn game and from what I hear it wasn't even a blockbuster FPS, more like a decent one.

The only thing Crysis has going for it is that it's really, really pretty. However, at this point in the stage of technology, game graphics are going to become so good and so close to one another that really it won't be easy to tell which game looks better than the other. On top of that there's talk that Crysis engine is poorly optimized and that's half the reason it whips graphics cards to shreds.

I think it's time we stopped judging a graphics card solely by a single game that has a reputation for making your computer its bitch. Just because a game is hard to run doesn't mean it's good or pretty (in this case though, Crysis is very pretty). I'll be you anything that Valve, 2K, Epic Games and other great FPS makers have the technology to make games just as pretty as Crysis, but that run better on a wider range of machines and have better gameplay.

And really, after a certain point, you'll have to pull out a microscope just to see the subtle differences in graphic fidelity between two games. Once we reach that point I think it's time we stop bitching about what card can run the most beautiful game and what can't.

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ronka wrote :

Why it isnt fair? its the best game to stress a gpu in test. ATI 4800 just cant take a heavy loaded game like Crysis.. and we're talking about crysis here and not the future games that would beat Crysis in stressing a gpu.

Not a bright sign for ATI to me. if they cant handle Crysis, they cant handle future games.

so if u want future-proof card 9800GX2 and GTX280 are your choices



It's not fair because Ati cards (4850, 4870) kill in every game BUT Crysis. Same with Crossfire performance. The benchmark you're using just happens to be Nvidia's strongest point and Ati's weakest. Crysis was designed to run on Nvidia cards.

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