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My first build: A decent gaming-multitask machine, need advice

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June 10, 2008 8:56:36 PM

Since my other thread is kinda messy I'm going to clear things up:
This are the possible parts I am considering to take, feel free to add or remove some of them and give me some advice!! :p 

info:
I'm going to use the computer mainly for gaming, also for downloading music and games, surfing on the web etc...

The price range is around 1500-2000$:
I live in Europe so this amount is just euros transferred to dollars,
But in Europe everything is a bit more expensive so keep an eye on that please :p  (1000-1500 *1.6euro=1600-2400$)

Is there any way to purchase pieces in America and let them come to Europe?? I would gain a lot of profit since the euro is pretty strong atm... (any site, other way,...?)

CPU
I've decided to go quad because I want to keep this system for like 2-3 years so it's pretty future proof
Anyone not agreed with quad?
These are my choices:
Q6600, Q6700, Q9300, Q9450

MOBO
ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-X48-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... GIGABYTE GA-EX38-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X38 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

VIDEO CARD
I will be waiting till the new series are out...
MSI RX3870-T2D512E OC Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SAPPHIRE 100221SR Radeon HD 3870 X2 1GB (512MB x 2) 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory

HDD
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
What is Raid 0 etc?

CASE
some good choices: RC 690, P180, P182, Antec 900

PSU
Antec TPQ-850 850W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, CE, C-tick, CCC, CB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC, CCC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake W0158RU 650W VGA Power Supply 100~230VAC (Range:90VAC~264VAC) UL, CUL, TUV, FCC, BSMI and CE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad (Red) 750W EPS12V Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, CE, CB, RoHS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Extra COOLING
CPU COOLER:
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MONITOR
No idea about this one, 22" or 24"? If 24 I should go SLi/Crossfire right?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

OS
I don't know, I'm still more for XP, because vista has some crap things,
Or is vista ok?
64 or 32 bit?

MISC
mouse and keyboard

DVD/CD burner
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Please give comment, add or critique parts

Thank you!

June 10, 2008 10:18:38 PM

CPU
q6600 is a great choice for price and speed

Mobo
I'd say gigabyte but that's just based on my own opinion :) 

Vid Card
Good idea waiting on the release for price drop, but for that much I might consider actually buying the 4870 or 4870x2 when they're out

RAM
I have the G.Skill 800 and it works great, I have no complaints, so I'd go for the less expensive

HDD
I wouldn't recommend going RAID 0 as your only means of storage, RAID 0 basically means you're running two or more drives as a single drive, where data written is "split" amongst all drives in the array, allowing for faster writing and also reading times. The problem with that is, if one drive in the RAID 0 array fails, you lose all your data. That's why most people who have RAID 0 do so for their operating system and program files on faster HDD's, like the WD raptors or velociraptors, and run a reliable backup drive for important stuff. For reliability, I'd go with Western Digital, but again that's my own personal preference (although many would agree). Try a WD 6400AAKS for storage and important files:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And if you really want to raid 0, you can either pickup 2 cheap WD150 Raptors:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (wouldnt really recommend this at this point though)

Or even better, pickup one of these babies and use just 1 for now without RAID, and when you get the money (or if you have it now) get 2 and put them in RAID 0:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case
Mostly comes down to what you like the best, as long as it has decent cooling and fits your motherboard

PSU
I'd swear by Thermaltake's power supplies

Monitor
I'd personally recommend not getting a monitor with a TN panel. Some people don't mind them, but most people are annoyed with the colors/general appearance of TN panels vs. S-PVAs. You can check the model of monitor you're looking at and find out what kind of panel it has here:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm

If you're going to spend the money on a 24", make it a nice 24". It amazes me when people have great systems but get cheap when it comes to monitors, when this is the single component you're going to have to stare at every moment you're using your computer. Dell makes some great monitors, especially the 2408WFP. I use two of the 2407WFP's and work and my coworker just got in the 2408's, and both look outstanding in color and contrast with almost no ghosting to speak of.

OS
Go for Vista 64 bit and get 8 gigs of ram. With a new gaming rig you'll want to be able to take advantage of DirectX 10, which is vista exclusive, and if you're going vista, you may as well go 64bit since more programs are being built with support for it.

Mouse & Keyboard
Logitech G series gaming mice are great, reliable, and inexpensive. I use the G3 at home, and I still have an MX500 at work that works perfectly after years and years of use. No reason to go with anything but logitech.

DVD burner looks fine.

June 10, 2008 10:54:27 PM

Looks good from what Oh Snap has said. I'd definately stick with the Q6600 only because of the good price/performance that you get. Hopefully you are getting the G0 stepping. One thing I would say is that make sure you also throw in for a sound card for gaming, like the monitor, don't get cheap to the sound either, and that goes for good speakers too!
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June 10, 2008 11:12:18 PM

^ don't start with sound cards... not everyone agrees that they are necassary or even help for their cost.

For the case... I like the Antec 900 (I have one myself), but really its about user preference. Also remember the Antec 900 does not have dust filters (it stops some of the airflow), so if your a long-time sufferer of CBF and dont wish to clean out your comp once every 3 or so months, then get something with a dust filter.
June 11, 2008 5:39:33 AM

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CPU
q6600 is a great choice for price and speed

Does it overclocks well? Why not a Q9450?, to high priced?
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RAM
I have the G.Skill 800 and it works great, I have no complaints, so I'd go for the less expensive

K, I don't know anything about so I probably won't even notice difference between a 130 and a 80$ RAM?
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HDD
I wouldn't recommend going RAID 0 as your only means of storage, RAID 0 basically means you're running two or more drives as a single drive, where data written is "split" amongst all drives in the array, allowing for faster writing and also reading times. The problem with that is, if one drive in the RAID 0 array fails, you lose all your data. That's why most people who have RAID 0 do so for their operating system and program files on faster HDD's, like the WD raptors or velociraptors, and run a reliable backup drive for important stuff. For reliability, I'd go with Western Digital, but again that's my own personal preference (although many would agree). Try a WD 6400AAKS for storage and important files:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Lol, no need to put 2 HDD's together, making it more difficult for myself and I'm not going to need extremely fast and special HDD's, normal is ok :p 
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Case

some preferences? Are the ones that I mentioned ok? and wich one of them most? :p 
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PSU
I'd swear by Thermaltake's power supplies

K, I can still see
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Monitor
I'd personally recommend not getting a monitor with a TN panel. Some people don't mind them, but most people are annoyed with the colors/general appearance of TN panels vs. S-PVAs. You can check the model of monitor you're looking at and find out what kind of panel it has here:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm


What is TN? :p 
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If you're going to spend the money on a 24", make it a nice 24". It amazes me when people have great systems but get cheap when it comes to monitors, when this is the single component you're going to have to stare at every moment you're using your computer. Dell makes some great monitors, especially the 2408WFP. I use two of the 2407WFP's and work and my coworker just got in the 2408's, and both look outstanding in color and contrast with almost no ghosting to speak of.

I'm not going for 2 screens or 32 inch screens or so,
Just a decent one, but should I get 22 or 24 inch? do I have to spend a lot more in video cards when taking 24 inch?

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OS
Go for Vista 64 bit and get 8 gigs of ram. With a new gaming rig you'll want to be able to take advantage of DirectX 10, which is vista exclusive, and if you're going vista, you may as well go 64bit since more programs are being built with support for it.

Going to take 64 for sure,
But still I hear that vista suks on some things...
Like it blocks cheat engines etc (use it quite a lot) and some other things don't work as well...
Or is that adjustable?

Mouse & Keyboard
Logitech G series gaming mice are great, reliable, and inexpensive. I use the G3 at home, and I still have an MX500 at work that works perfectly after years and years of use. No reason to go with anything but logitech.

K, I'll look at them, at the family computer we have logitech and we had quite a lot of problems with the wireless keyboard and mouse, now we're only able to use the wireless mouse with a wired keyboard,
But that's an old version, wireless is ok?
June 11, 2008 5:40:15 AM

smalltime0 said:
^ don't start with sound cards... not everyone agrees that they are necassary or even help for their cost.

For the case... I like the Antec 900 (I have one myself), but really its about user preference. Also remember the Antec 900 does not have dust filters (it stops some of the airflow), so if your a long-time sufferer of CBF and dont wish to clean out your comp once every 3 or so months, then get something with a dust filter.


I will clean it when needed :p 
June 11, 2008 10:04:12 AM

anymore suggestions?
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