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What will happen if games support DirectX 10.1

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June 28, 2008 5:25:35 PM


Take a sample from technreport's review:

*DirectX 10.1 optimized version

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990/12


What will happen?
I believe besides ATI has the advantage I think we have better quality games and nicely priced video card. Look single 4870 can kill a GTX280 which is twice as pricey.

But I do believe all games will support on this in the future since this is the future. In the end its the user becomes the winner. I hope game makers support this call.

Good Quality, Best Price, Best Performance = what people really wants
June 28, 2008 5:36:42 PM

I doubt we'll see more than 2 games that support dX 10.1 in the near future, Nvidia said that it's worthless and won't support it so game developers don't have a reason to release games with 10.1.

Also I believe that Assassin's creed had 10.1 but Nvidia performance was really bad so they removed it!
June 28, 2008 5:47:11 PM

If future games support DirectX10.1 then nVidia will be in deep shti. :D 
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June 28, 2008 6:00:09 PM

Maybe they'll release it as an option, like they do with DX10 now.

I can't believe I'm going to have to install Vista now that my 4870 is on the way, just to use DX10...
June 28, 2008 6:08:56 PM

gamecrazychris said:
I doubt we'll see more than 2 games that support dX 10.1 in the near future, Nvidia said that it's worthless and won't support it so game developers don't have a reason to release games with 10.1.

Also I believe that Assassin's creed had 10.1 but Nvidia performance was really bad so they removed it!
Nvidia currently does not have any card that supports Direct X10.1.
June 28, 2008 6:12:11 PM

The problem is dx10.1 don't actually add eye candy, just optimization that was originally part of dx10 which ati cards benefit from. Game developers don't really care about about half the market getting better fps. To get the reputation that their game runs better on some computers is bad news for them. There's nothing to gain, only lose.
a b U Graphics card
June 28, 2008 6:16:55 PM

copasetic said:
Maybe they'll release it as an option, like they do with DX10 now.

I can't believe I'm going to have to install Vista now that my 4870 is on the way, just to use DX10...


I hear that.
I have been holding firm on my no Vista stance till now.
With a pair 4850's on the way I decided it was time to give true DX10 a try.
If only someone could have patched it over to Xp :( 
June 28, 2008 6:20:29 PM

outlw6669 said:

If only someone could have patched it over to Xp :( 


Ask Micro$oft.
June 28, 2008 6:26:54 PM

dagger said:
The problem is dx10.1 don't actually add eye candy, just optimization that was originally part of dx10 which ati cards benefit from. Game developers don't really care about about half the market getting better fps. To get the reputation that their game runs better on some computers is bad news for them. There's nothing to gain, only lose.


I respectfully disagree. If game developers see more people buying ATI cards, they will make games that use the DX10.1 standard. As for the reputation that their games work with one card company or the other better, that's been a known factor for years, as some games are tuned for ATI and others for Nvidia. The game developers mainly design their software for the biggest audience, and if the biggest audience buys Nvidia cards, then they build games for those cards. But if the card demographics change towards ATI, so will the developers.

As Heyyou27 points out, since Nvidia has made an issue of not supporting DX10.1, if there is a swing toward using that standard, Nvidia will find itself with a whole lot of cards that it can't sell, or at least will have a hard time selling.
a c 109 U Graphics card
June 28, 2008 6:27:49 PM

Nvidia has the $$$ to keep DX 10.1 away for good.
a b U Graphics card
June 28, 2008 6:28:20 PM

dagger said:
The problem is dx10.1 don't actually add eye candy, just optimization that was originally part of dx10 which ati cards benefit from. Game developers don't really care about about half the market getting better fps. To get the reputation that their game runs better on some computers is bad news for them. There's nothing to gain, only lose.


Not sure I agree completely with your logic.
I am sure the developers would love to have as many people as possible be capable of playing their game with all the eye candy turned up. Off hand I could think of 2 reasons why they might not be pushing DX10.1.
First off, I would bet that it is harder to code a game to switch between the two DX versions. Probably not a big issue to work around but, with the small amount of 10.1 hardware on the market I could see this coming up during production.
Second would be the whole "The way it's meant to be played" thing. With only 2 real choices in GPU's you really don't want to piss either of them off. The GPU makers, especially nVidia, dump tons of resources into the gaming sectior to make sure their hardware will run the game as best as it can. If a company decides to code all it's games in DX10.1 what do you think nVidia's reaction to that company will be?
June 28, 2008 11:30:22 PM

Eventhough they dont support DirectX 10.1, maybe the next DirectX 11 has all its predecessor's package like 10.1

Yes, it is right to say they base its capability to where most users used for now.
a b U Graphics card
June 29, 2008 12:01:06 AM

LOL this is tooo funny. Hoping team A can actually slow progress for team A's sake LOL. How stupid is that? And, when team C shows up and tells lil team A to either go along or die, team A will have to do it. Now, either nVidia can get their crap together to advance tech , or they can play games and wait for Intel. Up to them. I see ATI moving on to at least make it uncomfortable when Intel dioes get here, and not all cozy like nVidia does as it does it its way, which is just sad
June 29, 2008 3:16:38 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
LOL this is tooo funny. Hoping team A can actually slow progress for team A's sake LOL. How stupid is that? And, when team C shows up and tells lil team A to either go along or die, team A will have to do it. Now, either nVidia can get their crap together to advance tech , or they can play games and wait for Intel. Up to them. I see ATI moving on to at least make it uncomfortable when Intel dioes get here, and not all cozy like nVidia does as it does it its way, which is just sad



Thats what happens when you have the backing of the second largest CPU manufacturer, you don't want to give intel a break :D 

On the other hand I hope AMD doesn't abuse ATI's current position as diplomats for Intel. :whistle: 
a b U Graphics card
June 29, 2008 8:29:43 AM

gamecrazychris said:

Also I believe that Assassin's creed had 10.1 but Nvidia performance was really bad so they removed it!


Which makes no sense, because that's simply making both companies have bad performance because one doesn't get a boost.

If every developer acted like that we'd be back in DX7 and using just single core 32 bit CPUs .
a b U Graphics card
June 29, 2008 8:59:37 AM

dagger said:

Game developers don't really care about about half the market getting better fps. To get the reputation that their game runs better on some computers is bad news for them. There's nothing to gain, only lose.


Unless it start gaining traction from another source. If others start to implement 10.1 then those that don't look like they are aren't up to the task, and that's far more detrimental than the idea that their title runs better on some computers (don't they all run better on one or the other?).

The biggest barrier right now is that it's not only nV but also the biggest CPU company (intel) 's IGP products that are DX10 only, however with the terrible DX10 performance of the GMAs, I'm not sure how much that matters overall, it's just their dev influence that is important.
June 29, 2008 9:58:53 AM

but nv would not allow them to support DirectX 10.1 with $$$$$

a b U Graphics card
June 29, 2008 10:13:11 AM

nV has no say in it if they are outbid.
June 29, 2008 1:18:00 PM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
nV has no say in it if they are outbid.

Who's going to outbid them? AMD's broke. :p 
June 29, 2008 4:45:19 PM

nukemaster said:
Nvidia has the $$$ to keep DX 10.1 away for good.



and i would like to point out that nvidia holding dx10 up is bad for us all plus intel and ati has got a partnership together so developers will be going there if there is cash and or help in it for them
or do you think nvidia has more pull than intel
June 29, 2008 4:48:49 PM

rangers said:
and i would like to point out that nvidia holding dx10 up is bad for us all plus intel and ati has got a partnership together so developers will be going there if there is cash and or help in it for them
or do you think nvidia has more pull than intel

Wait, Intel and AMD got a partnership together? :p 
a b U Graphics card
June 30, 2008 1:39:54 AM

dagger said:
Who's going to outbid them? AMD's broke. :p 


AMD's far from Broke, and the one thing they're slowly learning is that their ATi franchise brings in the money, and if they want to improve that side of the equation, that's where they need to be sure to bolster their position.

You don't strangle and eat the goose that lays the golden egss in your company, you find it more places to make you money and improve the areas it does make you money.

AMD's finally realizing that with their strategy to court Blizzard and others to make sure that they combat nV's negative influence.
The big diffeence, is that now nV has two major adversaries on 3 fronts, and they've got to split their money between the Graphics and Physics fronts, while also trying to convince people they aren't obsolete because they have no CPU.

This game is far from over for all participants, but AMD definitely took a long time to figure out how to play.
June 30, 2008 2:04:20 AM

I can see Nvidia secretly paying off companies while crying those alligator tears. Slowing down progression doesn't benefit anyone, cept for...well.....Nvidia......again, not a fanboy, I have an Nvidia card.
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