New home system - Questions

Hi all!

I am about to buy a new system but I haven't kept up with all the new PC components. I've been reading articles for a couple of days but I still have some unanswered questions.

At this point I'm looking to buy a system with the following components:

- Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
- Graphic card: ASUS EN9600GT/HTDI DDR3 512MB
- RAM: DDR2 2x2GB Corsair 1066
- Motherboard: ASUS P5K Premium WIFI/AP

I haven't yet looked at the other components, but I already have plenty of doubts about these components.

1) To start with, most graphic cards nowadays support PCI-e 2.0, but apparently only expensive motherboards support it. What'd the reason behind this? Does it make sense to buy a PCI-e 2.0 graphic card if the motherboard does not support it? I guess the performance will drop significantly. Would it be a better idea to spend more money on the motherboard and less on the graphic card (e.g. ASUS P5E3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP and ATI Radeon HD3850).

2) It looks like all PCI-e 2.0 motherboards support SLI / Crossfire. Do you recommend SLI / Crossfire? Is it worth it considering that you need a more expensive motherboard and more powerful voltage source? Wouldn't it be better to buy a single better graphic card? Is it a good way of upgrading a system once it starts to go old?

3) Is it worth buying a PCI-e 2.0 motherboard to use it with DDR2? At this point, considering price differences it looks like DDR2 is the obvious choice unless you're not under a tight budget...


Can someone throw some light? All feedback is welcome!

Thanks!
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  1. PCI-E 1.1 has not been saturated yet.
    SLI/Crossfire makes sense for a gamer with a 30" monitor.
    A better graphics card outperforms two cards in most cases.
    Spend the money on the graphics card rather than the motherboard.
    With SLI/Crossfire you need a beefy power supply(~1000W). In some applications you will see up to 50% improvement, in some nothing with SLI/Crossfire.
    DDR3 is still too expensive to recommend.
  2. I'm going to take a wild guess here and assume you want to play games, don't know or want to overclock, you have a 1680x1050, and your PC budget is around $1000.
    Please correct me if I got it wrong.

    Q6600 is a good idea.
    DDR2 is a better idea than DDR3.
    PCI-E 1.1 is just fine for 9600GT or 8800GTS 512MB, it won't lower their performance at all.

    I suggest you study this combination on Newegg's site and decide if it's in your budget and good enough for you.

    Q6600, GA-EP35-DS3R, XFX 8800GTS 512MB, WD6400AAKS, OCZ Reaper 2x2GB DDR2-800, SH-S203B, 650TX.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005&Tpk=650tx
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227267
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150267

    I picked XFX for the video card because it has the same price as the other leading brands (eVGA, BFG) at newegg right now but it includes a game.
  3. Care to wait for the GPU range?
  4. Quote:

    Q6600, GA-EP35-DS3R, XFX 8800GTS 512MB, WD6400AAKS, OCZ Reaper 2x2GB DDR2-800, SH-S203B, 650TX.

    +1
  5. Thanks for the feedback!

    After some research, and with your help, this is what I'm looking to buy:
    * Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600,
    * Scythe Mine SCMN-1000 rev. B
    * GigaByte GA-EP35-DS3R,
    * OCZ DIMM kit 4 GB DDR2-800,
    * Western Digital WD5000AAKS,
    * Samsung SyncMaster 2232BW,
    * Club 3D 8800GTS 512MB GDDR3, G92 (Any thoughts on Club 3D?)
    * Asus DRW-2014S1,
    * Lian Li PC-61,
    * Corsair CMPSU-650TX,
    * Logitech Easy Call Desktop

    What do you think of this system? Any suggestions?


    Thanks!
  6. I wouldn't buy the WD5000AAKS. I have 3 of those myself, they're not bad, but the newer models with perpendicular recording (WD6400AAKS, WD7500AAKS) are much faster.

    No idea about Club 3D, sorry.
  7. Club 3D will work out fine. But, have take a good look on other brands prices?
    Say..eVGA, ASUS, MSI, XFX, Gigabyte, BFG, Powercolour? I don't have any special preferences in choosing VGA-Cards. As long as the brands are still on my shopping list, I just look for the best deal.
    Best deal means good price or good package for example: bundeld with games, etc.
  8. The only ones I've found for under 200 euros in Spain are:

    Club 3D 8800GTS 512MB GDDR3 GTS882D - 161 euros
    Leadtek GF8800GTS - 165 euros
    Asus EN8800GTS/HTDP - 186 euros

    Would it be a good idea to buy a SLI motherboard and buy another 8800GTS in a year from now? Are 650W enough for SLI?
  9. 650W are enough for 8800GT SLI. No, it wouldn't be a good idea. You are better off with an X38 motherboard and two HD 4850 cards, for about the same price.
  10. +1 for aevm.
  11. Hi all!

    I am finally going to be able to buy the system. I hope I can get it a bit cheaper than when I started the post.

    I'm having trouble finding the NVIDIA 8800 GTS card, being the cheapest one I find the MSI NX8800GTS-T2D E-Zilent for 229 euros, which looks like a bit too much.

    I am considering switching to the 8800 GT or 4850:
    Asus EAH4850/HTDI (512MB) - 159 euros
    Asus EN8800GT/G/HTDP (512MB) - 144 euros
    Asus EN8800GT/HTDP/1G (512MB) - 197 euros

    Which one would you get for the prices above? Is the 8800 GTS worth it?


    Thanks! (again) ;-)
  12. LOL, the HD 4850 (159 euros) is faster than the 8800GTS (229 euros). At these prices it's easy to decide, get the HD 4850. Just make sure your motherboard is labeled Crossfire and not SLI.

    E.g. HD 4850 gets 60 fps in CoD4 at 1600x1200, while the 9800GTX gets 48.8. The 8800GTS is just a little bit slower than the 9800GTX, so you can use those benchmarks to compare. Just read 8800GTS instead of 9800GTX everywhere.
    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-radeon-hd4800-games_4.html#sect1

    The 8800GT gets 34.2 fps. Rather sad, compared to the HD 4850 which gets 60 fps and costs only 15 euros more. :)
  13. Hi all!

    First, I'd like to thank everyone who helped me build a computer I've enjoyed for the last 3-4 years.

    I'm bringing back this thread because I need to upgrade my graphics card. When playing games (WOW and SWTOR), when things get too crowded, I notice a subtle noise change in a fan (graphics card?) and the computer crashes a second later. I think it's either the graphics card or PSU.

    Anyway, since the graphics card is old, I want to upgraded to play the lastest games with better performance (and hopefully solve the crashing issue).

    My H/W is currently the following:
    * Asus EAH4850/HTDI (512MB)
    * Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600,
    * GigaByte GA-EP35-DS3R,
    * 3 x OCZ DIMM kit 2 GB DDR2-800,
    * Western Digital WD5000AAKS,
    * Corsair CMPSU-650TX,
    * Samsung SyncMaster 2232BW,

    After reading Tomshardware article "Best Graphics Cards For The Money: October 2011", I'm considering buying this card:
    GIGABYTE HD6770 (Lite-Retail, HDMI, DVI, DisplayPort) - 89.90€

    Do you think this is a good buy? enough with 650W power supply? Any other ideas?

    Thanks in advance!
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