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ATI: "Super RV770" to kick some more green asses?

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July 1, 2008 1:16:02 PM

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AMD GPG (ex-ATI) is binning the parts to a lowest denominator required for good yields and a level of performance that reaches or sometimes overtakes Nvidia’s GTXhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore-Tex 260. But this time around, the company developed an AIB/OEM-only product codenamed "Super RV770", which will be much more powerful.

The "Super RV770" will arrive with pre-installed water-cooling and features unlocked BIOS, which enables the GPU to be pushed all the way to 950 MHz, while the memory can be pushed to 4.8 GT/s (1.2 GHz QDR). According to our sources, you may be able to push the GPU even beyond 1 GHz, if you use TEC elements, and keep the temperature of GPU low.


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ATI-AMD-RV770,5796.htm...

lol.
July 1, 2008 1:26:19 PM

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lol?


It was like an "omg-wtf-those-guys-are-going-nuts-this-is-a-vga-frenzy" like lol.
July 1, 2008 1:26:22 PM

Potential for 1 GHz Core Clock... O.O
July 1, 2008 1:28:51 PM

..................MY EGG JUST HATCHED........ YAYAYAY!
July 1, 2008 1:59:27 PM

I will love to see the benchmarks for this.

The only thing I am a little worried about it, they are water cooled cards. I guess they just run too hot for air. But, at the end of the day, these are the cards I am waiting for.... now to wait for the OC 1GB versions.
July 1, 2008 2:02:48 PM

That truly is insane. I remember not long ago how all the Executives and stuff were quitting LOL, i guess they jumped ship WAY too soon HAHAHA. My only thought about this new "Super RV770" is i doubt it will be available in Australia and no doubt with HD4870's already being LOWEST price of $320, this thing will cost and ARM & a LEG, easy $500+.

On a side note, does any1 thing Regular HD4870's could clock that high 1+GHz core and 4.8GHz mem with say the unlocked BIOS?
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 2:13:50 PM

You may get lucky, get that good silicon, be able to crank it up that high. Everyones waiting for this bios to come out. I think 850+ is more realistic, but thats still very nice, should be close to the G280 with that oc
July 1, 2008 2:19:18 PM

Just imagine what kind of power the 4870x2 could put out with these kinds of clocks and assuming you can keep it from melting down :rofl: 
July 1, 2008 2:20:19 PM

I was just on GPUREVIEW.com to compare the 4870's "Super Clocks", it didn't work properly but Operations/calculations get pretty close to that of the GTX280, and with the HD card already close on its heels i think it could overtake it.

So do u think these new RV770's will be speed binned? I myself am PAINFULLY awaiting the 1gb models, i really hope they don't have slower memory....
July 1, 2008 2:35:52 PM

Whatever, just throw a custom water cooling unit on it yourself. I bet you could OC the living s*** out of it if they ever get a new driver out :pfff:  . I WANT MY NEW DRIVERS!! :cry: 
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 2:38:59 PM

I just loved that it was called the SUPAH RV770. :D 

Maybe were finally past the whole Extreme this and Mega that, but I doubt it, perhaps it's just a blast from the past.

I've wondered since launch, if they could've gotten the temps down would ATi have been able to do separate clock domains with the shaders faster would it have been better able to compete (on performance not price) with the gTX 280 or would it be the RBE that held it back? Based on the design I would think if they did implement asynchronous clocks that the SPUs and TUs would've clocked together as a 'shader clock' the seem a little too joined to allow for different domains between the two.
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 2:40:49 PM

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remember, these are not going to be available to buy one their own, OEM only.


Yeah but how long do you think that will last?
I have a feeling if they are successful they'll make the jump to general retail pretty quickly.
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 3:04:41 PM


Well apparently people hav ebeen flooding their forum since this came out and...


Originally Posted by Diamond Multimedia
Due to popular demand we are making these cards available in ecommerce in the next few days.


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Mactronix
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 3:36:58 PM

And remember, limited supply of chips and such, simply means higher prices, and you know there's at least 5% of the overall HD4K market that'll pay a hefty premium, especially if these get even close to the GTX280 now.
July 1, 2008 5:06:39 PM

500$+ anyone? :S DAMMIT!
July 1, 2008 7:35:53 PM

So is it just me seeing this in a totally different light? ATI has locked the stock 4870 bios to block overclocking so that they could release a super 4870 and sell them for higher prices just like Intel unlocks the multipliers and sells them as extreme-ly expensive CPUs? Someone slap me and tell me ATI just didn't do that.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 7:51:13 PM

*slaps spinach*

ATI just didn't do that

even if they did I still did what you asked
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 7:58:52 PM

I still don't understand why this "has" to have water cooling unless speeds of 950MHz aren't stable at 60-70C. Current air-coolers can keep temps this low. I mean, look at the 2900XT and 3870X2. They both consume more power (especially when OC'ed) and I don't see either of them catching on fire (though they were excellent space heaters).

About time they upped the clocks, though. Even my ATI 3200 IGP can clock to 900+ MHz :lol: 
July 1, 2008 8:02:49 PM

dattimr said:
500$+ anyone? :S DAMMIT!


But it would easily beat 280gtx at these clocks. What does 280gtx cost? :kaola: 

I hope they stick to 1gig vram for these particular models.
a b U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 8:47:38 PM

@ Ape, wish I could remember where I read it, but supposedly, next launch may see shader clock variances. The bios is floating around somewhere. Someone got it and torched their card (ouch) with it. And, they better offer lifetime warranties if they charge 500.
July 1, 2008 8:59:01 PM

SpinachEater said:
ATI has locked the stock 4870 bios to block overclocking so that they could release a super 4870 and sell them for higher prices just like Intel unlocks the multipliers and sells them as extreme-ly expensive CPUs?


The graphic card manufatures deside the GPU clocks, not ATI. ATI give recommendations. And yes, those cards that we see now would melt down with those speeds!

What is good, is that if some manufacturers would starts using better heapipe coolers in their 4870's we could see much better speed allso with the air-cooling!
What this allso mean is that, if you buy normal 4870 now, and put really good aftermarket cooler on it, you should get big boost if you can hack the GPU bios! Maybe not so good as those above, because they most propably are hand picked GPU's, but definitely there is room for improvement with better cooling.
(And keep on eye on those temperatures, you can destroy this card easily when those "improved" bioses are available...)
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 1, 2008 9:15:27 PM


Seems fair enough to me, Given that the stock card will be relatively cheap and up to anything a non enthusiast wants to throw at it. I don't see why they cant make an enthusiasts card and charge for it accordingly. I know that reads like, "It s ok the enthusiasts can afford it". But that's not what I'm saying.
A lot of this is speculated as the cards are not out yet and there is no price for them yet. Unless anyone knows for sure ?
It seems to me that the yields are really good with these chips and ATI are maximising there revenue stream. Assuming they got such good yields that the bin and reuse policy was no longer viable they get left with two options as i see it.
1 Sell all the chips to a set standard and price and to hell with it
2 Create your own artificial binning point IE locking the cards in the bios. And then selling the higher rated chips as a limited edition.
Yes its not very customer friendly, but then again its a business like any other and the main goal is to make money for the share holders. I don't see it as underhanded. If that was the case they wouldn't have been so open about the whole thing.
The 4850 is about $200 on the EGG and a 4870 is $309 then i cant see the special edition costing more than $350-$400.
What price would this card be if it was an Nvidia card ? $600-$700 ?
Please any light anyone can shed on this would be helpfull as i said im just speculating really
Mactronix :) 
July 1, 2008 10:18:34 PM

Check this link out - http://www.dvhardware.net/article28270.html

Talk about talking smack.
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We didn’t just want a fast card out in the market, we wanted the fastest card that could kick the living daylights and bust some performance records, say Mario Gastelum, Director of Product Development & Engineering. “we wanted a card that kicked the competitions teeth into the curb”, and that’s exactly what our engineers accomplished”.


Also read the last line

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A watercooled version with a Danger Den waterblock will also be available.


Does that mean that there will be two watercooled versions or a watercooled version and a aircooled version?
July 2, 2008 2:51:52 AM

CSA_Myth said:
Check this link out - http://www.dvhardware.net/article28270.html

Talk about talking smack.
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We didn’t just want a fast card out in the market, we wanted the fastest card that could kick the living daylights and bust some performance records, say Mario Gastelum, Director of Product Development & Engineering. “we wanted a card that kicked the competitions teeth into the curb”, and that’s exactly what our engineers accomplished”.


Also read the last line

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A watercooled version with a Danger Den waterblock will also be available.


Does that mean that there will be two watercooled versions or a watercooled version and a aircooled version?


LOL, now that's the kind of attitude I want to see, give me 110% and nothing less!

:lol: 

I'm sure they will have a water cooling version and an air-cooled model.

Unless it is like the hd3870x2 ultiamte or w/e Sapphire called it, where it had its own reservoir/pump and what not, I would hope they don't only do a w/c cooling version.

As to not everybody wants to W/C it anyways...

I'd rather they hook it up up to some nitrogen/phase cooling, but you know that's just me... :whistle: 

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See doggy,
Dance doggy,
Dance doggy dance!!!! :pt1cable: 
July 2, 2008 1:07:20 PM

Frozen, Yea I would have to agree with you about Diamond's attitude 110%.
Coming soon MMA for AIB/OEM members, lol

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I'd rather they hook it up up to some nitrogen/phase cooling, but you know that's just me... :whistle: 
Sounds frosty :heink: 

BTW as mentioned earlier they are going retail, and as this link http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9753
suggests they should start showing up next week. At what price will we start seeing them? Well I am hoping that Mactronix is correct with the $50-$80 premium that would make it mighty tempting to me.
July 2, 2008 7:42:20 PM

CSA_Myth said:
At what price will we start seeing them? Well I am hoping that Mactronix is correct with the $50-$80 premium that would make it mighty tempting to me.


That seems to be really low premium for hand piked special cooled versions... $150-$180 more would sound more like it, but ATI has had some real bargain prising during the last couple of years, so who knows...

4870 is $299 now? $299+150 would be $450, so the same price as 260 are... not so bad price at all for special version!
$350 would be a bargain! Why anyone would buy normal version with this kind of difference? (Well you need the water cooling ofcource, but still...)
a b U Graphics card
July 2, 2008 7:47:59 PM

So, anyone else thing the Green Team is screwed ?
a b U Graphics card
July 2, 2008 7:56:09 PM

Screwed? Not really, though I think they're finally in a position where they are no longer the clear leader for almost every application (a good thing IMO). I think we'll be seeing more price cuts from both sides before too long :) 
July 2, 2008 8:13:24 PM

nvidia to cut the price of the 280/260 the 280 will drop $90 and the 260 will drop $30 but i still don't think they will sell its just not enough
July 2, 2008 8:20:16 PM

btw that's tomorrow, the price drop that is
July 2, 2008 8:44:02 PM

With the rumors of the poor yield of the GTX 2*0 series and the great yields of the 48xx series. It would make logical sense AMD can do a more aggressive price cut on GPU's and still come out ahead of Nvidia's monster monolithic chips. $60 on a $650 card isn't going to persuade me to go out and spend money foolishly on an overpriced card, BUT I'm sure it will for someone. I want see see some benchies...and not the wooden ones!
July 2, 2008 8:58:05 PM

benches for what, the only benches that are missing are the r700 one's
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