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June 14, 2008 1:23:39 PM

Hi!
Its time to put together a PC for gameing, and maby 3D creation. After hours and hours of research i find myself ready for judgement by the great minds of this forum, so please give me your thoughts.

Its always difficult to build a new PC, with new parts coming out every week, but this is especially a bad time to get a good rig (new CPU on the way and new graph cards too). Anyhow, this is the time i need a comp so i'l give it my best shot.

I have narrowed it down to: no quad, no SLI, no DDR3. Since 2 of em are "on the way up" and don't perform as good as they should (for the price). And i'm thinking of getting a new graph card in about a year.

So heres my setup:

MOBO:
GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Is the X48 really worth it or should i get the cheaper X38

CPU:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler:
XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Maby i would like something cheaper here.

Graph:
MSI NX8800GT 512M OC GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since i'l upgrade to a "not yet released" card in about a year or so I thought this would be the best one for a fair price

RAM:
2x G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here i'm really lost, so point me in the right direction plz. I'm going for 8GB of 800 since the 1066MHz+ is expensive and hard to get 8GB from.

Hard Disc 1:
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 1.5Gb/s Hard Drive : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This will be the place for Windows Vista 64-bit, the virus program and maby something else(?)

Hard Disc 2:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD753LJ 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is my "main" hard disc for all games, films, photos and most of the programs.

Case:
Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A lot of fans in there so I hope i don't need to buy extras.

Power Supply:
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Might be a little more then i need but il rather have some extra W.

Im allso getting this one: ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound. Never used that before but if it helps cooling CPU (and maby other stuffs?) its worth it.

So, that's my setup. Please comment if u see something wrong here, like the CPU fan is too big for the case or the RAM doesn't fit the motherboard etc etc.
Good to know might be that i'm planning to overclock the CPU, and maby the RAM and Graph card. Haven't done it before but i have to start sometime ;) 

Thanks a lot!

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June 14, 2008 1:46:55 PM

For grahphics card, consider a 8800gts, $159.99 after mir. It performs 10% better at stock, and 50% better when overclocked, for a price that's slightly cheaper after mir. 8800gts oc reliably to 750mhz, often to 800mhz. 8800gt oc reliably to 700mhz, often to 750mhz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

X48 and x38's performance are identical. No reason to get the more expensive x48. Also, there's p45, which delivers almost identical performance for half the price, starting at $99.99. It use pcie2.0, but does not support crossfire.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

For cpu, consider q6600 on the cheap, for the same price as that dual core:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or upgrade to the more powerful q9450, at a price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Quad is the way to go if you want your computer to last more than 2 years. It's about the time limit for high multithreading to become the norm for typical programs. Consider how much single core cpus sunk after dual optimization will give you an idea on how duals will fare later on.

If you do get e8400, consider faster than 800mhz ddr2 ram, or it'll bottleneck your e8400 oc to about 3.6ghz. 1600mhz fsb -> 9x400mhz -> 2x400mhz. Q6600 reachs 3.6ghz easily enough. There is no reason to get a dual if it cannot out overclock a quad.

Consider skipping the 10k rpm hdd. SSD is coming out, and dropping in price fast. Even the fastest 15k rpm disk drives are far slower than solid state drives. Get 750gb or even 1TB drives now for the mass storage that won't go obsolete in a long time, and make do with it until SSD becomes affordable. In any case, hdd don't improve in game fps, only slightly decrease load time, since the data is first loaded into ram before running.
June 14, 2008 1:57:28 PM

or alternatively go for the new P45 chipset it OC as well if not better then the X48 and its cheaper. other choice is fine.
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June 14, 2008 1:59:02 PM

get the VelociRaptor its the fastest HDD out on the market.and its cheaper then SSD now. SSD maybe an option at a reasonable but still high price.
June 14, 2008 2:00:35 PM

I agree about:

The X38 or the P45.

The 8800 GTS is a great option

You probably won't need a raptor (10k drive).

I have heard that many modules about DDR2 800 are just overclocked 800 memory, so you can just overclock it yourself.

The 8400 is great and can be overclocked easily.

Good luck with the build.
June 14, 2008 2:10:21 PM

iluvgillgill said:
get the VelociRaptor its the fastest HDD out on the market.and its cheaper then SSD now. SSD maybe an option at a reasonable but still high price.

The "VelociRaptor" cost $300, and is still far slower than SSD. SSD is still in the freefall stage of price drop, and may look attractive very soon. Besides, you can get a 1TB 7.2k rpm drive for under $200, which isn't that much slower than the small 10k rpm for $300. The 1TB drive will stay useful for much longer than a fast small hdd, becuase SSD cannot possibly overtake it in term of size anytime soon.
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