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How will a 4850 hang with 24" running 1920x1200?

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July 2, 2008 8:00:54 PM

I will be using this system mainly for gaming and want to know if the 4850 will be sufficient running a 24" monitor on 1920x1200 resolution. Just wondering if I need to go bigger like 4870? The only thing is on the Egg the 4850 got the better reviews. Here is my system setup......Thanks!

ThermalTake Armour Plus Full Tower
GIGABYTE GA-X48-DS4
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
G.SKILL 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066
XIGMATEK 650W PSU
ZEROtherm Nirvana 120mm CPU cooler
ZALMAN VF1000 VGA Cooler
OCZ Freeze Extreme Thermal Compound
SAPPHIRE HD 4850 ( Subject to change if needed)
Acer 24" Monitor
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit

That about does it. So Let me know if I need to do anything differant with above. My worry is that the 24" monitor will drag the 4850 down to its knees...not sure?

DeepSea
July 2, 2008 8:04:46 PM

The 4850 trashes the 9800GTX (and even the 9800GTX+) in almost every test, and for the most part, it can max out any game right now. You will most likely be able to max out every game with that res without too much trouble, that is, if 4xAA is acceptable for you. Though from what I saw, the 4850 had a little trouble with Crysis (der), and Mass Effect.
July 2, 2008 8:19:35 PM

Look at TOm's review of the 4850. They did it at 1920x1200. i persoanlly do not think it has enough power to run games on high. Alot of those games the hishest it could reach with 4xAA is an average of 47FPS which is not that good wish the showed the minumum because that is waht makes the biggest difference. In some games it only averaged in the upper 20's.
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July 2, 2008 8:21:58 PM

Since you have an X48, just get two of them. Check slickdeals.net and fatwaller.com daily for deals. The 4850 was $150 with a promo code last week. Just make sure your PSU is up to it.

While a single 4850 would do okay (@ 1900x1200) in older and/or less demanding games (like source engine games), COD4, Crysis, and all the new games will not be playable at HIGH/VERY HIGH settings with a single 4850 @ 1900x1200 w/AA on.
July 2, 2008 8:39:30 PM

Well, I guess it depends on your FPS tolerance. I personally, cannot notice the difference between 45 FPS and 60 FPS, and I have 20/20 vision. Anything that is over 35 FPS is completely acceptable to me.

It also depends on your AA tolerance. For me 2xAA is fine if it gets me decent FPS, and 4xAA is fantastic. I never feel the need to go up to 8x. Others demand more, others don't even care.

hsarc, how is 1920x1200 MAXED with 4xAA with a $150-$175 card not good? That's ridiculous.
July 2, 2008 8:40:30 PM

Where did you get a 24'' screen with 1900x1200 resolution?
July 2, 2008 8:52:18 PM

Got it on the Egg and has free shipping at the moment here it is http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...
Hmm so maybe I should just go ahead and get 2 4850's. From what I have read I heard they dont scale well in crossfire. Maybe that will change with new drivers. What I was thinking was the 4850 will suffice till the X2 comes out or the 1GB versions come out, then I could at that later on down the line. Makes me wonder if my 650W PSU will be able to handle that?

Thanks,

DeepSea
July 2, 2008 8:57:37 PM

Don't most, if not all 24" monitors come with 1900x1200 native res?
July 2, 2008 8:59:59 PM

Anything with quality should. My co-worker's new 22" is 1900x1200. (IBM)
July 2, 2008 9:03:05 PM

Because it is an average of 40 FPS which means it will dip below 30 causing lag. also on alot of games it could not reach 30 fps at that resolution. That is not enough for me. I want a minimum of 30 fps.
July 2, 2008 9:10:26 PM

one-shot said:
Don't most, if not all 24" monitors come with 1900x1200 native res?


No it's 1920x1200...I think that's what the other dude was commenting on.
a b U Graphics card
July 2, 2008 9:34:56 PM

It will certainly be adequate in most things, though I would go with a 4870 over a pair of 4850's. The added memory bandwidth will be helpful at the high resolution.
July 2, 2008 9:49:59 PM

I'm using a 4850 while waiting for my 2 GTX260's to arrive (I will probably put the 4800 in another build). It is performing quite admirably on a 27 inch monitor with 1920x1200 res. If I weren't locked in with Nvidia/EVGA with the Step Up process I would most certainly get the 4870x2, but the 4850 is still very impressive and adequate for your res.
July 2, 2008 10:36:48 PM

I'm currently playing AoC and my buddy came over last weekend with his system. I have a 8800 GTX and with the settings the same on both systems he was about 5-10 FPS slower everywhere. We spent the better part of an afternoon trying to make sense of it. We couldn't explain it and just went on playing. We both run 1920x1200. The system are the identicle aside from the GPU, cases and my liquid cooling. Both Q6600@3.6 8Gb ram, Vista 64.

Now I'm not suggesting this is the norm it's probably just AoC but thought I would share the info.
July 2, 2008 10:37:38 PM

With that gangsta computer you are putting together I would most definitely get the 4870 and since ram is pretty cheap right now I would also get 8gb of ram since you are going to use Vista 64!
July 2, 2008 10:41:03 PM

For 1920 x 1200 and some new ati drivers the 4850's in crossfire will be an amazing bang for the buck.
It'll beat the 9800gx2 anyhow anywhere...and also the gtx 260.. and will give the gtx 280 a run for its money (possibly beating it at 1920x1200).

However ati needs to release new drivers to achieve this as crysis / crossfire performance in general is hindered with the catalyst 8.6.

However this is the only 256 bit memory bus / 512mb card that can render crysis on very high @ 1920 x 1200 (dx9 very high fix) at playable frame rates.
1680 x 1050 is the sweet spot... but 1920 x 1200 can still be done.. (once crossfire gets it right... 1920 x 1200 performance will be excellent)

for 1920 x 1200 the 4850's 256 bit bus is just about enough... i think above this the 4870 / gtx 260 / 280 ... will have the edge of course

July 2, 2008 10:43:25 PM

bydesign said:
I'm currently playing AoC and my buddy came over last weekend with his system. I have a 8800 GTX and with the settings the same on both systems he was about 5-10 FPS slower everywhere. We spent the better part of an afternoon trying to make sense of it. We couldn't explain it and just went on playing. We both run 1920x1200. The system are the identicle aside from the GPU, cases and my liquid cooling. Both Q6600@3.6 8Gb ram, Vista 64.

Now I'm not suggesting this is the norm it's probably just AoC but thought I would share the info.



Does his machine run also at 3.6ghz?... i know you said the systems are identical... but jus makin sure as you said you are watercooled and he is not.
July 3, 2008 12:37:11 AM

Yes they both are OC to 3.6Ghz. Also I don't know if you mistyped or what but the 4850 is no match for the 9800gx2 at 24" res. It is a much better buy though.

We would have swapped cards but there is too much work involved in removing my GPU which is also liquid cooled. The GPU was running at stock speed too.
a c 355 U Graphics card
July 3, 2008 1:05:58 AM

lightfoot__ said:
Anything with quality should. My co-worker's new 22" is 1900x1200. (IBM)



Actually, it's the Lenovo ThinkVision L220x with a resolution of 1920 x 1200.

IBM sold off it's PC and laptop division years ago.
July 3, 2008 2:05:43 AM

bydesign said:
Yes they both are OC to 3.6Ghz. Also I don't know if you mistyped or what but the 4850 is no match for the 9800gx2 at 24" res. It is a much better buy though.

We would have swapped cards but there is too much work involved in removing my GPU which is also liquid cooled. The GPU was running at stock speed too.



I said 4850's in crossfire
July 3, 2008 9:34:32 AM

Or GTX260 SLI best combi card money can buy
a b U Graphics card
July 3, 2008 10:26:52 AM

How can a 260GTX sli combo be the best buy? Pair 2 4870 and you got a can of whoop a$$ heading your way.
July 3, 2008 11:27:47 AM

4850 should be good at that resolution. Personally, I can easily see the difference between 30 and 60FPS in Call of Duty 2. But in Crysis I can't tell FPS differences at all. I can go low as 25FPS and it'll be smooth and fluid. Mind you, I play Call of Duty 2 online which may be the reason I can't tolerate anything under 60FPS. 50FPS is okay when sniping though.
July 3, 2008 11:29:08 AM

Why not get a 4870 with a X38/X48 motherboard and look at adding another 4870 down the road. I read that once new drivers come out, you can run a 4850 with a 4870, or a 3850 with a 4870 X2 for example.
July 3, 2008 11:59:20 AM

bydesign said:
I'm currently playing AoC and my buddy came over last weekend with his system. I have a 8800 GTX and with the settings the same on both systems he was about 5-10 FPS slower everywhere. We spent the better part of an afternoon trying to make sense of it. We couldn't explain it and just went on playing. We both run 1920x1200. The system are the identicle aside from the GPU, cases and my liquid cooling. Both Q6600@3.6 8Gb ram, Vista 64.

Now I'm not suggesting this is the norm it's probably just AoC but thought I would share the info.


Age of Conan is notoriously bad with ATI cards. The cards often run at only 10-30% GPU load under that game. There are thousands of posts in the AoC tech forums about the ATI performance issues, which have been pretty much ignored.

A lot of people believe it's due to another one of Nvidia's back-room TWIMTBP deals, as it was running great in late beta on ATI cards... before the Nvidia logo appeared. I wouldn't be surprised. The performance difference between ATI and Nvidia in that game is just immense to be coincidence.

That said, I got a 4870, and I'm kind of kicking myself now. It's a great card, but 4850 has better price-to-performance and new higher end options will be coming out soon.
July 3, 2008 3:35:05 PM

So I am kinda leaning towards a 4870 at the moment, knowing that will be the better option with native 1920x1200 reoslution. My questions is do you all know if either the 4870 or 4850 will be able to crossfire with the new X2 or 1 GB versions? That will make a differance in my decision. Which ever one I go with my plan will not be to crossfire them right off the bat, but wait till the next X2 card comes out and go that route. Tell me what you think!

Thanks,

DeepSea
July 3, 2008 4:27:07 PM

I was under the impression that with crossfire, the usable memory of the combined cards will utilize the amount of the smaller card.

Otherwise, Crossfire seems to support connecting a wide range of different ATI cards. You should be able to at least crossfire a 4xxx series with a 3xxx series. I doubt it will be different with two 4xxx series models.
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