I know this has been stated by many people throughout different threads but I just wanted to clarify that the HD4850 contrary to popular belief is actually a pretty cool card. If you were lucky enough to buy the ASUS version you get Asus SmartDoctor with it and if u merely put the fan on 60% (slight buzz) you get temps idleing mid to high 40s and under full load low 60s. I have my card in overdive at 700MHZ and memory at 1110MHZ and at full usage it goes up to the high 60s. This is MUCH cooler than my old 8800GT. For those of you that dont have Asus, just be patient your card will be cooled down soon(when they fix the fan options). The card works great and I dont like hearing that people aren't buying because it supposedly runs superhot. So if ur looking to buy the 4850 and don't want to wait, Grab the Asus for now, its good stuff.