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August 3, 2008 3:10:24 PM

Why do I see so many people with Intel Quad-cores when you can buy an AMD Dual-core that runs just as well for half the price?

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August 3, 2008 3:20:12 PM

Oh Man......I sense a flame thread. :pfff: 

My opinion is...they are happy with it.

I am happy with my Phenom Quad.....

I guess its "To Each his own"

:bounce: 

August 3, 2008 3:28:48 PM

Depends what you do. Quad is better for certain things such as video editing and is more futureproof. Intel make the fastest quads and the best oc quads too. This isn't a flame, I'm happy with my 4800+ :-)
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August 3, 2008 3:30:54 PM

ummm yeah ok
August 3, 2008 3:31:50 PM

Well I'm just curious. Is choosing Intel over AMD or Quad over Dual really make that big of a difference in quality or performance? Quads aren't really worth the money at this point in time IMO. so why do so many people have them? Not trying to offend anyone, just curious.
August 3, 2008 3:35:12 PM

Q6600 isn't overly expensive these days and overclocks really well. That's the main reason I have one. Well, I do a lot of video rendering too and it loves the extra cores :) 
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August 3, 2008 3:37:18 PM

quad core does performs better on multithread and vedio editing and stuff....

other than that....the more cores u have the more bragging rights u earn.

and y amd and not intel....
well intel gives more power specially when u overclock.
but sum ppl who don OC still get intel cpus which can be complimented by AMD cpus with less money.i dont really understand this concept
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August 3, 2008 3:39:35 PM

Quitoman said:
Well I'm just curious. Is choosing Intel over AMD or Quad over Dual really make that big of a difference in quality or performance? Quads aren't really worth the money at this point in time IMO. so why do so many people have them? Not trying to offend anyone, just curious.


q6600 at the current price is more than worth
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August 3, 2008 3:45:29 PM

When i do video editing, the quad core is MUCH faster.

It does not hurt to have extra power to help with other apps while I game either.
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August 3, 2008 3:46:26 PM

I got my quad because I run multiple apps and don't like stuttering when I'm playing a game, or pauses when I'm in a document, caused by background apps. I wanted something that would last for a good long time. I don't need "Xtreme" anything, but didn't want to feel the [expensive] upgrade itch from not buying what I really wanted in the first place.
I was tempted by AMD, because I either don't oc by default or only enough to get RAM to 1:1, but figured the option to oc if I needed to is better to have than not have. Even not oc'ed, my Q9450 outperforms AMD, so why not get it?
August 3, 2008 3:52:48 PM

Simple said. People like 4 better then 2.
August 3, 2008 3:53:08 PM

Peculiar situation perhaps....perhaps not

I purchased a factory system with the 6400 + Live, 2 Gb mem, onboard
graphics, sata system....added 2 250 Gb WD HD's full of sesitive data
(games and applications as well as data files, personal stuff...you know)
The O.S. was Vista Home Premium...

When I booted up the system causally churned away for 20 or so mins
and informed me that it had erased, reformated and locked 98% of
ALL my files on the 2 added sata drives.!!! Unbelievable !!!!
I pulled my 2 drives, returned the system and built my own system:
Quad 6600, 2 Gb ram, Nvidia 8800Gts 512, sata system, on an XP-Pro
O.S....hooked up my 2 250 Gb hard drives and found that ALL my files,
games and applications had indeed been erased or corupted by my
venture into the world of the insanity that is AMD, ATI, and Vista!!!
These files as listed above was a years long collection of the best
of the best in my opinion, as we all have, as well as loads of personal
photos, vacations, and family stuff....
Fortunately, I had DVD backups of all my files, so these rip-off products
did not cause me total loss, merely agonizing anxiety and the hassle of
dealing with what should have never happened.
ATI apologized, but said it was an AMD prob...AMD said it was a VISTA
security issue, and Microsoft said in effect: "So what." !!!!!
I personally would NOT use another AMD or ATI, or Vista product if you
paid me to....
For ME? It is Intel, Nvidia and XP all the way......

No flaming intended....if ATI, AMD, or Vista works for you...then great...
Glad you are satisfied....cause choice is what computing is about...
August 3, 2008 3:53:10 PM

Quitoman said:
Well I'm just curious. Is choosing Intel over AMD or Quad over Dual really make that big of a difference in quality or performance? Quads aren't really worth the money at this point in time IMO. so why do so many people have them? Not trying to offend anyone, just curious.


You say there not worth the money, but if you have been following the market, you would see that Both AMD and Intel offer mainstream Quads at reasonably affordable prices now. My Q6600 cost cost just over £130 and that's considering I manged to reach a nice 3Ghz overclock with Minimum effort. I'm sure I could do better than 3Ghz, but I'm happy and power consumption stays within a reasonable level.

AMD still offer some good value solutions that will perform tasks well. I'm still using an AMD X2 as a second machine, which still performs well in most tasks. I may have chosen AMD again if I could of Upgraded, but AMD abandoned Socket 939 in favor of AM2. I needed a new machine because my games were lagging on the AMD machine, so Intel offered the best performance for the money. Crysis and a few other games have seen huge improvements on my Quad, that's considering I'm still using the same graphics cards as my old machine.

I believe that Quads are worthwhile, especially at current prices.
August 3, 2008 3:54:19 PM

well I need a new CPU to match my 8800GTS 320. Do you guys recommend getting a 3.0Ghz AMD dual-core or a cheap Intel and overclocking it?
August 3, 2008 3:59:59 PM

Quitoman said:
well I need a new CPU to match my 8800GTS 320. Do you guys recommend getting a 3.0Ghz AMD dual-core or a cheap Intel and overclocking it?


You would be better off buying a cheap Intel and overclocking it, but it's worth buying an aftermarket cooler if you do.
August 3, 2008 4:06:49 PM

Quitoman said:
Quads aren't really worth the money at this point in time IMO. so why do so many people have them? Not trying to offend anyone, just curious.



Are you saying $ 190 for a Q 6600 quad that gives you 3.3 to 3.6 on air is not worth the money? I think you are crazy.
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August 3, 2008 4:07:04 PM

sorce7200 said:
Peculiar situation perhaps....perhaps not

I purchased a factory system with the 6400 + Live, 2 Gb mem, onboard
graphics, sata system....added 2 250 Gb WD HD's full of sesitive data
(games and applications as well as data files, personal stuff...you know)
The O.S. was Vista Home Premium...

When I booted up the system causally churned away for 20 or so mins
and informed me that it had erased, reformated and locked 98% of
ALL my files on the 2 added sata drives.!!! Unbelievable !!!!
I pulled my 2 drives, returned the system and built my own system:
Quad 6600, 2 Gb ram, Nvidia 8800Gts 512, sata system, on an XP-Pro
O.S....hooked up my 2 250 Gb hard drives and found that ALL my files,
games and applications had indeed been erased or corupted by my
venture into the world of the insanity that is AMD, ATI, and Vista!!!
These files as listed above was a years long collection of the best
of the best in my opinion, as we all have, as well as loads of personal
photos, vacations, and family stuff....
Fortunately, I had DVD backups of all my files, so these rip-off products
did not cause me total loss, merely agonizing anxiety and the hassle of
dealing with what should have never happened.
ATI apologized, but said it was an AMD prob...AMD said it was a VISTA
security issue, and Microsoft said in effect: "So what." !!!!!
I personally would NOT use another AMD or ATI, or Vista product if you
paid me to....
For ME? It is Intel, Nvidia and XP all the way......

No flaming intended....if ATI, AMD, or Vista works for you...then great...
Glad you are satisfied....cause choice is what computing is about...


Sounds to me like you got hit with NTFS security. I brought 4 drives over from XP to vista without issues. I had to retake ownership of my files. I would have to do this on XP as well. If you want this to NEVER happen again. Add "Everyone" with the permission of READ(there are 3 properties accosted with this) so you can at least access your files. its less secure, but since anyone can take ownership anyway, i do not see it as a problem. You still have to take ownership in the end anyway.

I have a set of 2 drives that have been from an AMD/ATI/XP system to an INTEL/ATI/XP system to a Intel/Nvidia/XP system, and last to a Intel/Nvidia/Vista not a single loss yet. Linux has even made a few appearances too.
August 3, 2008 4:16:33 PM

Well, It was likely not NTFS security, but he likely had encrypted folders.
Even more secure than NTFS because even as an admin, you can't take ownership and view the files.

Also, trying to transfer the drives to another system would have a similar effect to what he has described.
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August 3, 2008 4:18:20 PM

Encrypted is a part of NTFS :p 

so, you does one recover such files? for future reference?
August 3, 2008 4:19:44 PM

Yeah I made that mistake by encrypting my outlook pst file. My system crashed and the backup was useless because I was on a different installation. GRRRRRRRRRRR I dont like ntfs
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August 3, 2008 4:21:37 PM

note to self, no encryption.
August 3, 2008 4:27:55 PM

u need to pay a company to recover them.
: )
a friend of my happend the same.
we tried everything.
we're both freaks and it wasn't possible.

do not ever encrypt your files with a backup of the certificates.
do no ever encypt files if u don't know how and what.
August 3, 2008 4:33:15 PM

amd dual cores don't run close to an intel quad core's. Even my intel dual core is faster than all amd dual core's and some of their tri cores. A q6600 is only like $200 now so it is a great buy couple it with like a $150-$200 video card like a 8800gt,8800gts 512 or 4850 and you have a great gaming pc.
August 3, 2008 4:37:24 PM

I think the basic answer is that 4 heads are better than two or three. Right?
August 3, 2008 4:38:05 PM

i have a Q6600 for when i really need it. my computer is never pushed atm but its nice to know that when i really need it, i have 4 cores which are fast and ready for the tasks
August 3, 2008 4:50:21 PM

nukemaster said:
Encrypted is a part of NTFS :p 

so, you does one recover such files? for future reference?


No, Encryption is not really part of NTFS.
You can Encrypt Files/Folders on NTFS volumes, but that is just an add-on feature.

I can read and write to NTFS regardless of permissions assigned from either a DOS or LINUX bootdisk without providing any security credentials. I can also move the NTFS Partitions to a new system and take ownership and access regardless of previous permissions.
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August 3, 2008 5:10:25 PM

Quitoman said:
Well I'm just curious. Is choosing Intel over AMD or Quad over Dual really make that big of a difference in quality or performance? Quads aren't really worth the money at this point in time IMO. so why do so many people have them? Not trying to offend anyone, just curious.


I will say that being able to buy a quad core for $250 when 5 years ago my 3.2GHz P4 cost me $300 is not that bad. And considering I got mine OCed to 3GHz without even trying and not having to pay $500 for a 3GHz quad or even dual is nice.

But right now AMD does not have dual cores that compete on a clock per clock level. On a price level yes but the K8 arch is not as fast as Core 2 in most desktop apps probably because Core 2 has a higher IPC. Phenom has lowered that gap but the IPC difference betwwen Core 2 Quad and Phenom still gives Core 2 an advantage in most desktop apps.

Also there are no K10 dual cores yet (and none on the road maps from AMD either).

But as I said yes AMD can compete easily price wise in the dual core market since K8 has been around about 3-4 years giving it great yeilds and low manufacturing costs. But if you calculate bang/buck a Core 2 will usually do very well.

Other than that I love my C2Q. I don't care if a dual can OC to 4GHz. 3GHz is fine for the games I play and am very happy.
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August 3, 2008 5:12:11 PM

speedbird said:
You would be better off buying a cheap Intel and overclocking it, but it's worth buying an aftermarket cooler if you do.


The AMD is great if you have the mobo but as speedbird sais a cheap Intel like a Pentium DC or a lower end Core 2 will be better as if you compare on a clock per clock level the Core 2 will benefit you more.
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August 3, 2008 5:22:07 PM

Only reason to buy amd is if your on a really tight budget. core 2 beats phenom hand down, no contest. plus intel chipsets oc very well, are rock solid and have excellent software support.
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August 3, 2008 5:27:08 PM

Why does everyone have Intel Quad-Cores?

Your premise is defective. I do not own a quad core. But I recently purchased an e8400. Therefore the truth value is false. And that is that.
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August 3, 2008 5:44:45 PM

sorce7200 said:
I personally would NOT use another AMD or ATI, or Vista product if you
paid me to.....


Its sad to see how many people are quick to blame the system when it is really operator error. But it is unusual to see a person blame three major components at one time. With so few vendors, before long he won't have a CPU, video card, or operating system he trusts.
August 3, 2008 5:48:10 PM

rockyjohn said:
Its sad to see how many people are quick to blame the system when it is really operator error. But it is unusual to see a person blame three major components at one time. With so few vendors, before long he won't have a CPU, video card, or operating system he trusts.


Word, Playa.
August 3, 2008 6:05:14 PM

I like my Q6600.
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August 3, 2008 6:08:26 PM

^Doesn't it make you all tingly inside?
August 3, 2008 6:21:54 PM

rockyjohn, to address your offhanded dismissal of operator error, let me
state you are wrong. I have over 37 years in computing, engineering,
and electronics, yes I am an old Fa**!!
The 2 drives I mentioned were from an intel based 630 3.0 Ghz, 1.5 Gb,
sata system with XP-Pro and were un-encrypted and on the ntfs
file structure to begin with.
The only diff between the systems I used the drives on were as follows:
AMD, ATI, VISTA
as compared to
INTEL, NVIDIA, XP-PRO
the mobo was from the same manufacturer with the exception being
that one mobo was factory implemented using amd tech while the
home system build was based on Intel tech.
I do have other systems that I use to recover lost or corrupted data,
I am currently retiring from video editing from a studio (no name mentioned), but you have very likely enjoyed some of my effects in your
fav videos and movies, as well as some commercial implementations....
all using variants of the same software (legally purchased by me), but
deemed to be a 'security issue' as well as casually deletable by the
aforementioned hardware-O.S. setup from AMD/ATI/VISTA.
Should I have been a Gov. agency, or Credit card company, or a business
operator, this could have been a potentially destructive and crisis
centering situation....fortunately, I am a private person and so I don't
really count....right?
The files were not locked, they were erased, and on file retrieval were
shown to have been an unsuccessful attempt to index, then deleted by
Vista security, while other files were corrupted...possibly by hardware
error.
The drives were not at fault...I am currently enjoying these same drives on
the system I am currently using, with ressurected versions of the exact
same software that was destroyed...from dvd backup retrieval.

All I am saying is that I personally don't trust my data, files, games, or
applications to AMD, ATI, or VISTA anymore...

and, to end this....with no flame...to each his/her own opinion, right?

After all, this is a hardware forum with opinions, right? Not just an
enthusiast elitist board?
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August 3, 2008 6:47:09 PM

You sure are.

Can you please post more detailed specs.

amd tech does not tell anything. Motherboards have parts from many companies including nvidia, amd(ati), via, sis and maybe even others.

The drive interface can be AMD, SIS, Promise, ITE, Silicon Image, Jmicron, Nvidia and many others

There is NO way a cpu can wipe your drive. Vista is unlikely to do this either. I have swapped drives back and forth MANY times without this from os to os. Sounds like you had a defective board(more so the sata controller), no real way to blame this on AMD or Vista.

Its a good thing you had a back up in place.
August 3, 2008 6:50:31 PM

sorce7200 said:
rockyjohn, to address your offhanded dismissal of operator error, let me
state you are wrong. I have over 37 years in computing, engineering,
and electronics, yes I am an old Fa**!!
The 2 drives I mentioned were from an intel based 630 3.0 Ghz, 1.5 Gb,
sata system with XP-Pro and were un-encrypted and on the ntfs
file structure to begin with.
The only diff between the systems I used the drives on were as follows:
AMD, ATI, VISTA
as compared to
INTEL, NVIDIA, XP-PRO
the mobo was from the same manufacturer with the exception being
that one mobo was factory implemented using amd tech while the
home system build was based on Intel tech.
I do have other systems that I use to recover lost or corrupted data,
I am currently retiring from video editing from a studio (no name mentioned), but you have very likely enjoyed some of my effects in your
fav videos and movies, as well as some commercial implementations....
all using variants of the same software (legally purchased by me), but
deemed to be a 'security issue' as well as casually deletable by the
aforementioned hardware-O.S. setup from AMD/ATI/VISTA.
Should I have been a Gov. agency, or Credit card company, or a business
operator, this could have been a potentially destructive and crisis
centering situation....fortunately, I am a private person and so I don't
really count....right?
The files were not locked, they were erased, and on file retrieval were
shown to have been an unsuccessful attempt to index, then deleted by
Vista security, while other files were corrupted...possibly by hardware
error.
The drives were not at fault...I am currently enjoying these same drives on
the system I am currently using, with ressurected versions of the exact
same software that was destroyed...from dvd backup retrieval.

All I am saying is that I personally don't trust my data, files, games, or
applications to AMD, ATI, or VISTA anymore...

and, to end this....with no flame...to each his/her own opinion, right?

After all, this is a hardware forum with opinions, right? Not just an
enthusiast elitist board?

You have no reason to distrust AMD/ATI. They are NOT what caused your data corruption, it was the switch to vista. Hell the last one to blame for data corruption should be ATI, it doesn't make any sense that a gfx chip should cause all this trouble. You, my friend, make no sense. I have switched from AMD/ATI/XP to AMD/ATI/Vista to Intel/ATI/Vista, and had no problems in between. I had great experiences with all of these companies, so don't be hatin on AMD or ATI. Again neither of them could have caused your errors, in fact some nvidia chipsets are known to have this data corruption you speak of.
August 3, 2008 7:10:18 PM

vista is sound!
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August 3, 2008 7:19:47 PM

^My Visat experience has been great thus far. At least its not like Windows ME. That I can say with a clear mind was the worst OS MS ever made. Ever. Period.
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August 3, 2008 7:21:27 PM

hmmm. why intel quads and not amd? well personally i run two intel quads (qx9650 @3.6 & q9300 @3.0) and amd phenom 9850be (stock) and a amd 5000+ (stock) am2 dually.

all systemes run either 8800's sli (gtx in tri, gts g92 in dual) or tri-fire (3870x2 + 3870). all of those machines are very capable of excellant frame rates TODAY in almost every game.

So to answer your question...some of its bragging rights yes with a nice OC, some of it is future proofing (as lame as that duck usually is in the long term...especially with intel, no offense) but ultimately for most people its about cash.

now as lucky as i am to have my 4 pc lan their is no way i could afford 4 super high end rigs. now one uber high, two high end and one main stream cpu all paired with decent graphics...than its in my price range. i think i can speak for a lot of home builders when i say it comes down to bang for your buck and how far you need that buck to go with the appz your using.
August 3, 2008 7:21:46 PM

3 things:

1) Quad cores do run faster, for the right app, but even if you don't need the power now, you may need it in 2 years; for many people, it's better to spend a little more now and not have to worry about upgrading as soon.

2) Years of experience alone do not an expert make. Case in point, my Dad. Don't ask him to fix your stuff! Love the guy, but seriously ...

3) I hope nobody reads that post about the data loss and thinks that AMD or ATI or Intel or any of his hardware manufacturers are at fault. Even in the unlikely circumstance that a hardware issue was involved (which any expert will highly doubt), such a bug would be just as likely with an AMD cpu as with an Intel CPU. It's almost certainly a vista issue - the CPU and MB and GPU do not *do* anything on their own - the operating system does it all. And this time the OS told the components to f' his system up. You may as well blame the A-Data USB flash drive you may have had plugged in at some point in the last five years, or your kenmore toaster ... or better yet, blame A-Data itself and refuse to use their hardware! And while you're at it, you should bear in mind that someone who made the hardware that messed up your data probably used Viagra ... so blame those damn pharmaceutical companies, too! Damn erectile dysfunction drugs, tricking hardware engineers at ATI into inserting malicous hardware code that detects when you are using Vista incorrectly! Damn them all!
August 3, 2008 7:34:02 PM

MattC said:
3 things:

1) Quad cores do run faster, for the right app, but even if you don't need the power now, you may need it in 2 years; for many people, it's better to spend a little more now and not have to worry about upgrading as soon.

2) Years of experience alone do not an expert make. Case in point, my Dad. Don't ask him to fix your stuff! Love the guy, but seriously ...

3) I hope nobody reads that fools post about the data loss and thinks that AMD or ATI or Intel or any of his hardware manufacturers are at fault. Even in the unlikely circumstance that a hardware issue was involved (which any expert will highly doubt), such a bug would be just as likely with an AMD cpu as with an Intel CPU. It's almost certainly a vista issue - the CPU and MB and GPU do not *do* anything on their own - the operating system does it all. And this time the OS told the components to f' his system up. You may as well blame the A-Data USB flash drive you may have had plugged in at some point in the last five years, or your kenmore toaster ... or better yet, blame A-Data itself and refuse to use their hardware! And while you're at it, you should bear in mind that someone who made the hardware that messed up your data probably used Viagra ... so blame those damn pharmaceutical companies, too! Damn erectile dysfunction drugs, tricking hardware engineers at ATI into inserting malicous hardware code that detects when you are using Vista incorrectly! Damn them all!



Now there is a response....thank you Matt C.

I would have blamed my twice removed Aunt's former tenant's left index finger, which was stiring his martini, which accidentally bumped the olives........DAMN YOU MARTINI OLIVES!!!!!!!!!
August 3, 2008 7:36:07 PM

Quote:
because you are making a wide ranging assumption based on a personal experience, that is anecdotal evidence which is inductive in reason.



I agree!!
August 3, 2008 8:40:14 PM

MattC said:
3 things:

3) I hope nobody reads that post about the data loss and thinks that AMD or ATI or Intel or any of his hardware manufacturers are at fault. Even in the unlikely circumstance that a hardware issue was involved (which any expert will highly doubt), such a bug would be just as likely with an AMD cpu as with an Intel CPU. It's almost certainly a vista issue - the CPU and MB and GPU do not *do* anything on their own - the operating system does it all. And this time the OS told the components to f' his system up. You may as well blame the A-Data USB flash drive you may have had plugged in at some point in the last five years, or your kenmore toaster ... or better yet, blame A-Data itself and refuse to use their hardware! And while you're at it, you should bear in mind that someone who made the hardware that messed up your data probably used Viagra ... so blame those damn pharmaceutical companies, too! Damn erectile dysfunction drugs, tricking hardware engineers at ATI into inserting malicous hardware code that detects when you are using Vista incorrectly! Damn them all!



This is incorrect.

Both Intel and AMD have released CPUs over the years which, due to design flaws, have caused data significant corruption, which the 'experts' themselves have exposed.

The examples below are not to single out the Phenom or AMD. Intel has had as many if not more instances of their products causing data corruption, including the notorious PII division error. The Phenom is just the most recent case, and as such has the freshest copy.


https://www.x86-64.org/pipermail/discuss/2007-December/010259.html


Quote:
Erratum 298 will be described as follows: "The processor operation
to change the accessed or dirty bits of a page translation table
entry in the L2 from 0b to 1b may not be atomic. A small window of
time exists where other cached operations may cause the stale page
translation table entry to be installed in the L3 before the modified
copy is returned to the L2. In addition, if a probe for this cache
line occurs during this window of time, the processor may not set
the accessed or dirty bit and may corrupt data for an unrelated
cached operation.
The system may experience a machine check event
reporting an L3 protocol error has occurred. In this case, the MC4
status register (MSR 0000_0410) will be equal to B2000000_000B0C0F
or BA000000_000B0C0F. The MC4 address register (MSR 0000_0412) will
be equal to 26h."



http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=550&Itemid=27&limit=1&limitstart=2

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_phenom_9850_black_edition_review/


Quote:
We laid it out in our last Phenom story and I’ll reiterate here: though you’ll find plenty of editorial content online explaining what the TLB erratum is and how it’s triggered, there’s a good chance you’d never encounter it if you bought a Phenom that centered on AMD’s B2 stepping. With that said, the prospect of data corruption is real enough that most motherboard vendors have issued BIOS updates with a selectable workaround. The patch greatly increases memory latency and significantly impacts Phenom’s performance



http://techreport.com/articles.x/13741


Quote:
This week's developments have included the revelation that this bug affects all "Barcelona" quad-core Opterons, leading to a "stop ship" order on quad-core Opterons to most customers. The erratum also affects all speed grades of Phenom processors, which are still shipping to PC makers and resellers. AMD admitted the presence of the erratum prior to the Phenom's public introduction, but the firm's initial statements gave the impression that the erratum affected only virtualization, which is a server-class application and an uncommon use for a desktop CPU. In truth, the erratum can cause instability with desktop-style usage patterns, as well, and systems with Phenom 9500 and 9600 processors will have to be patched and suffer the accompanying performance penalty.

One thing we haven't known is exactly how that performance penalty would look—until today. We can now offer you some preliminary benchmarks that demonstrate the impact of the BIOS-based workaround for the problem.

Err-what-um?
I don't wish to re-hash too much of what we've already covered this week, but we should recap briefly the nature of the erratum. The problem involves the chip's translation lookaside buffer (TLB) and L3 cache. AMD has provided a technical description of the problem as part of its documentation for a unsupported patch for the Linux kernel that alleviates the problem with only a minor performance hit. The specific circumstances that can lead to the data corruption and system hang are most likely to occur during periods of high utilization of all four CPU cores. Technically, AMD refers to the problem as errata number 298, but the problem has become more widely known as the TLB erratum.



The next time refer to someone as a "fool", you should insure you have your facts straight.


IRT the post to which you refer, I might agree that it is most likely a software/Vista issue, based on the description, unless the hardware in question was a B2 Phenom.
August 3, 2008 8:46:17 PM

I think you have the meaning all wrong turpit.

Said fool was blaming specific companies and processors......which is exactly what was is hilarious. I know that processors can cause data loss and corruption, but its just one big crap shoot. Basing your hatred of a company solely on one bad experience....is....well....foolish.

Cheers,

-PM
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August 3, 2008 8:54:35 PM

gosh said:
Here is one applications that test memory. Normal operations that is used when programmers compile C++ code

download
http://www.gorep.se/speed_test/speed_test.htm

Phenom 9750

writing
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/46/speedwriterandomamd9750gb7.jpg

reading
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7748/speedreadrandomamd9750nz8.jpg


Um what is this for? If its to show how fast a Phenom is at memory access and such thats always been known. But you have to rmember that in desktop systems memory speed almost never decides the better performer. In servers it will most of the time though.

Turpit, your new sig is even more disturbing. Hilary is just not right. Just not right.

Oh and see people? This is why I love Turpit. Every line is filled with fact loving goodness topped with creamy linkness of awesomeness.
August 3, 2008 9:16:35 PM

particleman said:
I think you have the meaning all wrong turpit.

Said fool was blaming specific companies and processors......which is exactly what was is hilarious. I know that processors can cause data loss and corruption, but its just one big crap shoot. Basing your hatred of a company solely on one bad experience....is....well....foolish.

Cheers,

-PM


I concur that basing dislike of a company on one product or one instance is not wise, however, it brings to mid the old saying, 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'. Regardless, without knowing the specifics of hardware the poster used, it is impossible to rule out the possibility that the hardware itself caused the corruption, though as I stated, based on what information he did provide, it would appear as if Vista was the root of the problem.

Hertes a though: If Vista did cause the corruption, would that make it 'OK' to hate Microsoft?
August 3, 2008 10:08:21 PM

turpit said:
I concur that basing dislike of a company on one product or one instance is not wise, however, it brings to mid the old saying, 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'. Regardless, without knowing the specifics of hardware the poster used, it is impossible to rule out the possibility that the hardware itself caused the corruption, though as I stated, based on what information he did provide, it would appear as if Vista was the root of the problem.

Hertes a though: If Vista did cause the corruption, would that make it 'OK' to hate Microsoft?



I agree as well with you Turpit......I think the OP had a possible hardware issue, although Vista seems a likely culprit too.

I dont think it would be ok to hate microsoft......judging the company for one bad thing. XP is great......Vista is a WIP. Fool me twice shame on me....only works on certian things. Sometimes a second try doesnt really hurt anyone.

Cheers,

-PM
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August 3, 2008 10:11:06 PM

turpit said:

Hertes a though: If Vista did cause the corruption, would that make it 'OK' to hate Microsoft?


I thought it was ok to hate Microsoft on general principle - and even if Vista did NOT cause his corruption.

But the posters problem is not just that he was choosing to never again use one company based on anecdotal evidence, but that he was maligning three diferent companies that made three diverse components of his system - all based on the one anecdotal experience.
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