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ZOGIS ZO86GT-E GeForce 8600 GT 512MB a decent card?

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July 7, 2008 8:35:17 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814136019

that is the link to it. i currently am on a AMD/ATI setup. athlon 64 3200 with an ATI AGPx1600xt (oced even further than stock to GPU clock: 634.50 MEMclock : 679.50

i am being given this combo.
pentium d 920
p4m890t-m2 motherboard from ECS
Nvidia 7600 gs PCIe


so im looking for a good decent card to replace that 7600gs

im already buying a cooler master rc-690 case and a new PSU to go with it.

so my funds for the GPU isnt great.

I dont plan on playing Crysis. so i dont need some uber Radical setup.

I do plan to play Diablo 3 when it comes out. so i would want to play it in max detail.

and the price for that 8600GT seems really low. i figure i can OC it some also if needed.
July 7, 2008 9:08:10 PM

I don't think the 8600gt is going to be a good choice to play Diablo 3 in max detail.

The first thing I would suggest would be to get a different case that is cheaper (sub $75) because that one is much more than what you would need for the setup you have.

A new PSU rated for 500 watts would be plenty of power for anything you would need it for. That would set you back $50.

As for which graphics card to get, if you're trying to stay on a budget go with an 8800gt for as little as $120 with mail in rebates. If you have a bit more to spend I'd suggest an HD 4850 which Newegg.com has pretty good deals on right now, considering its brand new tech.
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July 7, 2008 9:22:37 PM

sorry man but I do not trust that graphic card at all
July 7, 2008 9:52:53 PM

ah k. well with my current setup on 3dmark06

1024/768
AA x6
Texture filtering Optimal

overall score of 2238
sm2.0 913
HDR/SM3.0 934
CPU 762


so im hoping to jump up from that a good bit with the new setup.
July 7, 2008 11:08:13 PM

I would not recommend buying an 8600GT... just about any other new card will suit your needs better. The 512MB on the 8600GT is useless since the card is really too slow to leverage that much memory well so don't think that you need to have a 512MB card just to get better performance than that 8600GT you found.

-mcg
July 7, 2008 11:40:19 PM

Do not get that card. While in reality that GPU could potentially be strong enough to use 512MB of RAM in most cases, the fact that it's slow DDR2 on a 128-bit memory interface means that the memory ITSELF would be too slow to be useful in that quantity. It'd be well worth the extra little bit of cash (though with a mail-in rebate) for a GDDR3 version, like this one.

Since Diablo III is not a twitchy FPS, you won't need an absurd resolution and a constant 60fps to play. So really, I don't think a high-end card will be necessary at all to play the game. the GDDR3 8600GT should be fine, as I see it.
July 7, 2008 11:50:15 PM

ah k. well im pretty sure the MB im getting only has 1 PCIe x16 slot. and to run SLI or CF you need 2 PCIe x16 slots right?

if so. i dont want to kick myself in the balls now. ill play D3. but i mean ill play FC2 when it comes out the new wow exp when it comes out which its supposed to get a huge Graphics update aswell. so i now i gotta choose wisely on a card that by itself you know will run decent.

what about the ati HD3850? its cheaper than the 8800gs and seems to run better. but i dont see many people talking about the 3000 series cards from ATI.

also im not afraid to OC a card to squeeze out alittle more performance.

if someone know of a card that in this range of 120ish dollars and below that mabe Overclocks really well?
a b U Graphics card
July 8, 2008 12:14:36 AM

The reason no one brags on the 3000 series is because when they came out, Nvidia's 8000 series of cards just blew them away, for about the same or very little more money. They were just simple outclassed and overpriced a little. They are not bad cards at all, and now that the price has came down, they fit much better into the price/performance value of things.
But you know what.....the new 4850 for $200 is a screaming scalding kick in pants deal you know....and you could always carry it to a new build later....just a thought and making sure you see that option.
A 3850 or a 8800GS, I think I would prefer the 3850.
If you went to an 8800GT though, I would get that over a 3850, no question.
Look at the 9600GT's as well, pretty good cards for the money!
There is however no doubt that an 8600 is a bare minimal gaming card. It may do for what you do now, but many of the popular newer games is going bring it to it's knees in a hurry.
July 8, 2008 12:28:39 AM

yea i see what you mean. question on that particliar 8600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
600mhz core and 2016mhz memory clock?



is the stock core 540 and memory clock 1400
Like the card below?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If so is it safe to say i could take a 512mb version and OC that to the 600/2016 specs?


i also see what you mean jit about the 3000 series. it was beating most of the 8800's even Oced in the SM scores but in the actual Game FPS the 3850 drops to the bottom vs the GTX,GTS and the GTS oc
July 8, 2008 12:38:40 AM

Just don't get the 8600.... regardless of how you overclock it, it will do drastically worse than the 8800GS (9600GSO), the 8800GT, the HD 3850, the HD3870, the 9600GT and any newer cards with higher prices.
a b U Graphics card
July 8, 2008 12:49:36 AM

Ah, but atekido82.....just have look at this....if $120 is in your budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
64 stream processors to the 8600's 32. Check out the clock speeds at stock....and these cards I think (someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think I am) will overclock pretty well too. For $120, either this card or a 3850 is a really good price/performance deal. Be sure to check out Tom's best graphic cards for the price on the front page of the site for July.
I still say that you will not really be happy with an 8600 if you ever in the near future decide to play a newer more demanding game. I would go for the $120 budget you have set and get a 9600, or a 3850. That is my final 2 cents worth, what ever you get, good luck and happy gaming.
July 8, 2008 1:02:09 AM

yea i have ruled out the 8600. ive probly spent 5-6 hours today trying to figure out what i want lol


July 8, 2008 1:06:16 AM

dont get that one. add $30 and get a nice radeon HD3850. the 3850 is light years ahead of the 8600GT in terms of performance. the 8600GT's performance is almost identical to that of the 7600GT.
July 8, 2008 1:08:17 AM

nvidiot fanboys - misery loves company - why drag this guy down with you - take a lesson from clint eastwood - guess what you can get in on "for a few dollars more".

The oclox reports are just beginning - you really should have known - and yes you can take an ati 4850 into your next build.

AND there's a lot of fanboys that will buy up any nvidiot dinosaur parts you are stuck with - 128bit o.m.g.

Price too high? = wait a month.
a b U Graphics card
July 8, 2008 1:31:37 AM

ZootyGray said:
nvidiot fanboys - misery loves company - why drag this guy down with you - take a lesson from clint eastwood - guess what you can get in on "for a few dollars more".

The oclox reports are just beginning - you really should have known - and yes you can take an ati 4850 into your next build.

AND there's a lot of fanboys that will buy up any nvidiot dinosaur parts you are stuck with - 128bit o.m.g.

Price too high? = wait a month.


Just where did this come from? I don't see anyone in this thread pushing Nvidia only. Almost every single post has been a fair and decent mix of recommending both teams. What gives ZootyGray? Someone pee in your Post Toasties this morning?
July 8, 2008 1:32:22 AM

just realized i cant verify if the ECS p4m890t-m2 supports PCIe 2.0 anyone know? went to the ECS website and it only shows it having PCIexpress x16
but i dont see 2.0

so this looks like my options now nvidia wise which the GS is 2.0 and the 3850 form ati is a 2.0 card aswell

8800GTX,
8800GTS 640MB, 512mb ,320mb


a b U Graphics card
July 8, 2008 1:42:12 AM

All PCIe 2.0 cards are backwards compatible, if you even need it. No worries there. They will work on your board quite nicely.
July 8, 2008 1:47:19 AM

ok cool im glad heh

and Zooty please just stay out of my topic. k.. thanks
July 8, 2008 1:48:45 AM

atekido82 said:
If so is it safe to say i could take a 512mb version and OC that to the 600/2016 specs?

Not a chance in heck. Not a chance at all. RAM is notoriously hard to overclock. You'd be lucky to hit 1500MHz with the RAM. Normally DDR2 is surprising whenever it can pass 1000MHz. Normally 1000-2000MHz or so is the realm of GDDR3.
July 8, 2008 2:13:41 AM

yea im not going with an 8600. the 3850 and the 8800 basically have double the performance. the 9600 series looks good also i think it will be between them
a b U Graphics card
July 8, 2008 3:11:09 AM

668 core and 1650 memory is stock speeds I believe.
July 8, 2008 3:20:03 AM

Thanks. i just myself was able to find it.

someone posted they have theirs oced to 810 core and 1000mhz memory running a CF with a 3870. with no stability issues.

trying to see how reliable that is. because $109 for the Sapphire HD 3850 would be a good deal if its true.
668 Core
1650
512mb
320 streaming processors
256 GDDR3

that alone seems like its a stout card.
July 8, 2008 4:59:59 AM

atekido82 said:
Thanks. i just myself was able to find it.

someone posted they have theirs oced to 810 core and 1000mhz memory running a CF with a 3870. with no stability issues.

trying to see how reliable that is. because $109 for the Sapphire HD 3850 would be a good deal if its true.

Key words to keep in mind when dealing with overclocking: Your mileage may vary. Be ESPECIALLY wary in concerns with the video RAM speed. In most cases, if you push it more than just a little, you'll start getting image artifacts.

While I could perhaps awknowledge the possibility of a 21.3% increase in core speed, Managing roughly the same increase out of the video memory is something I'd remain HIGHLY skeptical over.

I would advise strongly against buying a card based upon your hopes of OC'ing it by a rather large margin.
July 8, 2008 5:46:04 AM

well i found a good Deal on a 8800 GT so im going after it. now im just curious if my lil Dynex 400 watt will keep up. im betting it doesn't have the 12 amperage needed.
July 8, 2008 5:55:13 AM

atekido82 said:
well i found a good Deal on a 8800 GT so im going after it. now im just curious if my lil Dynex 400 watt will keep up. im betting it doesn't have the 12 amperage needed.

You mean the amperage on the +12v rail? I'd recommend going ahead and checking it. You can do this by opening up your case, and looking at each side of your power supply; one of those sides should have a label on it that has a chart, detailing the power layout.
July 8, 2008 6:40:14 AM

yea. ill have to check it. i am pretty sure its sub 15a for the +12 rail

July 9, 2008 12:44:54 AM

atekido82 said:
yea. ill have to check it. i am pretty sure its sub 15a for the +12 rail

Then that's almost certainly not enough; that's 180 watts of power for your CPU and video card combined. That's not enough for pretty much any video card that has an add-on PCI-express power plug, because that means they need more than 75 watts for themselves.
July 9, 2008 1:43:10 AM

yea trying to get a deal on a 650 watt from Ultra. lifesaver series.

+3.3V@24A; +5V@32A; +12V@38A; -12V@0.6A; +5VSB@2A

should do the trick :) 

all with having 78% effeciency
July 10, 2008 11:06:30 AM

my system is iball cabinet with 400w psu, asus msn mx se, amd 6000+, 3 gb ddr2 ram, 22inch lcd, 320 hdd, pls suggest me a graphic card i am intersted in 8600 pls let me kn0wshould i go for ddr2 or ddr3, i am confused should i go for nvidia and amd, as far as my budget goes i can get a 8600 512mb, pls reply soon, i am not able to create a new thread, whether my psu will support a 8600 card, i am interested in playing crysis in a high resolution
July 12, 2008 10:45:35 PM

atekido82 said:
yea trying to get a deal on a 650 watt from Ultra. lifesaver series.

+3.3V@24A; +5V@32A; +12V@38A; -12V@0.6A; +5VSB@2A

should do the trick :) 

all with having 78% effeciency


Look for a quality 450W unit or so instead, like the Corsair 450VX - great PSU. I have its big brother the 550VX, and it supplies more power than I need already. Higher wattage isn't the name of the game - it's all about the quality and having enough amperage at the voltages you need! Also, the VX series is all 80+ certified, which means that it stays above 80% efficiency at a wide range of loads. You should look for an 80+ PSU if you can, they will run cooler, quieter and will draw less at the wall than others.
August 1, 2008 9:42:45 PM

sms2luv said:
my system is iball cabinet with 400w psu, asus msn mx se, amd 6000+, 3 gb ddr2 ram, 22inch lcd, 320 hdd, pls suggest me a graphic card i am intersted in 8600 pls let me kn0wshould i go for ddr2 or ddr3, i am confused should i go for nvidia and amd, as far as my budget goes i can get a 8600 512mb, pls reply soon, i am not able to create a new thread, whether my psu will support a 8600 card, i am interested in playing crysis in a high resolution


Man this guy is funny!!! lol
August 3, 2008 10:02:29 PM

Good card!! I was a little consurned at first but after I unlocked the card and saw plenty of open and available pipes and vertex's. So I proceeded to to do my unlocking and testing to the point where I have much more card than I bought.
I used Revatuner and a nvidia ver 175 driver. I am able to turn Flight Simulater X all the way up without sidebanding problems or artifacting! This is very cool!!
August 4, 2008 2:31:08 PM

sms2luv said:
my system is iball cabinet with 400w psu, asus msn mx se, amd 6000+, 3 gb ddr2 ram, 22inch lcd, 320 hdd, pls suggest me a graphic card i am intersted in 8600 pls let me kn0wshould i go for ddr2 or ddr3, i am confused should i go for nvidia and amd, as far as my budget goes i can get a 8600 512mb, pls reply soon, i am not able to create a new thread, whether my psu will support a 8600 card, i am interested in playing crysis in a high resolution

First off, Crysis in high-resolution with a weaker card? Not gonna happen. Simply... No. Medium-high is possible to be smoothly playable with a higher-end card, like a 9800GTX. With a card like that, I'd shoot for a lower resolution (no more than 1024x768, likely 800x600) and perhaps medium settings.

As for the 8600GT, take the GDDR3 version, hands-down. It's a good deal more powerful. And yes, that does mean, IIRC, having only 256MB of video RAM. But the DDR2 is too slow to be useful, so in other words the extra memory winds up wasted.
a b U Graphics card
August 7, 2008 12:23:28 AM

pois3 said:
Good card!! I was a little consurned at first but after I unlocked the card and saw plenty of open and available pipes and vertex's. So I proceeded to to do my unlocking and testing to the point where I have much more card than I bought.
I used Revatuner and a nvidia ver 175 driver. I am able to turn Flight Simulater X all the way up without sidebanding problems or artifacting! This is very cool!!


Okayyyy.......Flight Simulator X. The game is not that graphic intensive and much more CPU bound. Will benefit most from a decent mid range card fast multi-core processor.
August 29, 2008 8:37:20 PM

Dont know where you get you info but FSX is one of the largest most labor intensive graphic bound Games out there. Maybe you ought to take another look. Far Cry, Crisis and the others have never been a proublem for my builds. I eat them for breakfast. FSX has been the only game out there that I have had to make altercations. Im speaking from Experence and personal bench marks. Not from what some one else has posted and then read.
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