OK, we all know the G280 is overpriced. Soon, maybe in a weeks time , we will see the R700, or the 4870x2 previews. Its certain this card will demolish the G280. According to good rumor, this card will be a consistent 15% faster than the 4870 in CF. Itll sell at reportedly 500USD. Thats the current price of the G280, so naturally it will have to come down in price. Thinking this thru, theres also a 4870 GDDR3 version and or a 4850x2 version coming as well. If these solutions use the side port like the 4870x2, there should be huge performance gains usually not seen in CF. So, my point is, being that these cards may come out soon, besides the 4870x2, of course theyll be cheaper, especially a 4850x2 for maybe a little under 400USD, and still be able to kill the G280, wheres that leave the pricing for this card?
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nVidia plan to come up with a high end monster(like 8800 ultra was for its time) in 2 months time according to nordic. On a side note, if 4870X2 will cost just 500$, whats the use of owning a crossfire mobo.....seeing that mobo costs more, as well crossfire isnt as good as X2
Theyre getting shoved down already, this will really hurt. Im sure G280s would sell well at 350USD, but can nVidia make any money on them? And whats that do to the G260? 275? This may get ugly
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well, nvidia will have to drop prices and introduce a product to beat the 4870, hopefully it will be a better product and doesn't cost as much as the gtx 280 initially.
nVidia plan to come up with a high end monster(like 8800 ultra was for its time) in 2 months time according to nordic. On a side note, if 4870X2 will cost just 500$, whats the use of owning a crossfire mobo.....seeing that mobo costs more, as well crossfire isnt as good as X2
Link please? They need a monster at this point, and cheap one too
However, it all depends on the performance of the 4870x2. As we have seen before, many of ATI's cards get overhyped. I know that the 4850/70 performed above and beyond what was expected, but the 4870x2 may not.
I would agree that there is a very good chance it will blow the GTX 280 out of the water like there's no tommorrow, however as we know, ATI is using a new system to connect the cores which may or may not actually increase scaling and lessen stuttering.
So, as i said, i think that all Nvidia can do right now is pray that the 4870x2 is a flop.
Also, don't forget Nvidia is working on the 55nm shrink of the GT200 core, the GT200b. That will reduce costs and increase performance. If they can get it out fast, they could easily be on par with ATI, at least vs the 4850/70.
I would guess that if they got out the 55nm, they would just cut their losses with the GTX 280/260 and drop the product.
Edit: I'd like to see a link to the "monster" that nvidia will be putting out aswell.
Message edited by Dopekitten on 07-08-2008 at 09:28:01 PM
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i don't know how much of these product changes people can take. if you look on the forums you will see alot of confusion regarding all these different products being released all the time with dodgy names people seem to be getting fed up of it.
From what Ive read, people testing the x2s show a 15% increase, as drivers are being developed. Looks like the real deal for the X2. Theres been too many hints from AMD itself, especially when they said about the PCI-2 going way back.
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SS, thats true, and its almost exclusively nVidia, as they drug out the G80 series forever, and made a die shrink and called some G80 and some G92, and they had like 10 units in small increments. This is straight forward. You have 2 cards, and possibly, most likely 2 X2 cards from ATI, or essentially just 4 cards at mid to highend. 4 vs at least 10 is an easy do
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Every artist is a cannibal,every poet is a thief,they all kill their inspiration then sing about their grief
nVidia plan to come up with a high end monster(like 8800 ultra was for its time) in 2 months time according to nordic. On a side note, if 4870X2 will cost just 500$, whats the use of owning a crossfire mobo.....seeing that mobo costs more, as well crossfire isnt as good as X2
Dude, I bet they would price it at $800 (and I bet that "many" would even buy it). Regarding the CrossFire mobo issue, well, most enthusiasts own an Intel based mobo with a P35/X38 or above anyway, so, it's no big deal. Most mobos come with CrossFire support nowadays, so, it's not as if there were a "premium" for it (except in X38/X48 cases, although X38 is quite cheap nowadays).
Nvidia is having some problems with the "can-of-whoop-ass". Well, they can release this "monster" card that rumors are talking about, but don't forget that GTX 280 was already supposed to be this card - leaving ATI with no chance whatsoever in the market - and it failed miserably to deliver. Besides, it's not like they can come up with a different arch every 2 months: they can just improve GT200 under 55nm and that's it. GTX 280X2 would probably be financial suicide, even if they managed to release it without burning your case or using a dedicated PSU. It would also prove to be another shot in the foot when their next arch shows up, just like 9800GX2. They'll probably just screw themselves again.
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