Hello folks,
Despite the less than stellar initial reviews for the GTX 280, I've taken the plunge to get two of the eVGA GTX 280 FTW cards (which will be here on Monday), and am planning to build a SLI based rig around them. (Based on the stats, I'm crossing my fingers that when the drivers are tuned, these things will see a huge performance increase.)
I'm a somewhat old school PC builder, but haven't been building new systems every year like I used to, so I'm not as up to speed on all the latest gear as I'd like. Nowdays I only upgrade my system every few years, so I'm willing to spend a bit more to get a great system now which will still be decent in 2010... I just want to make sure I'm doing this right. I did build a new X38/E8400/9800GTX based system for my wife last week (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11887247), so at least I'm not completely rusty.
I've been doing some research, but have some questions on what my best options are. I know there is no silver bullet on PC building, but I'd like some validation on what I'm doing, and any suggestions for proven alternate gear would be welcomed.
I know the GTX 280's run hot, so water cooling is something I have considered, but not sure I want to go down that route since I'm not really all that familiar with it, and I'm worried it will leak and destroy my system. If I do go down that road, I'd love to do some reasonable overclocking though.
Assuming I stick with air cooling, am leaning towards the following config (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11884807), all of which is available through New Egg...
Thermaltake SwordM VD5000BNA Full Tower Case (Air)
I really like the look of the SwordM, though it is expensive, it seems like it should have good airflow and plenty of room for 2 long video cards and a tall CPU cooler. I figure a mid-tower case is probably too cramped for two GTX 280's to get decent airflow. I also liked the Silverstone SST-TJ07, CoolerMaster Cosmos S, and Antec Twelve Hundred. If I go with air I need to make sure I have great airflow, since ambient temperatures where my PC is can sometimes be upwards of 75-80F with A/C running.
PC Power & Cooling T12W 1200W PSU
PCP&C has always done well for me in the past, though they are not cheap. Based on reviews the GTX 280 is power hungry, and most of the SLI certified PSUs are 1200W (the T12W is certified for GTX 280 in 2-way and 3-way SLI.) I can probably get away with 1000W, but having extra is better than not enough. I also liked the Silverstone, Corsair, and Tagan PSU's in that watt range.
eVGA nForce 790i Ultra SLI Motherboard
I think the 790i is pretty much what I need to make sure I have full 1600FSB and PCIe 2.x support with nVidia SLI. However I see a ton of folks with 780i and 750i FTW boards who have pretty nice rigs, so maybe its not such a big deal? It's been recommended I might wait for the 790i Ultra FTW (though there is no ETA on that), or look at the ASUS Striker II Extreme (or 790i Ultra Black Pearl if I go water) too. I'm not too worried about brands if the boards are working well... I've heard a lot of people having problems with the nForce 700 series motherboards, so that makes me a bit nervous, but I need them for SLI so I'm pretty much stuck there.
Intel QX9770 3.2GHz Quad Core CPU
The GX9770 is very expensive, but it should be able to OC to 3.6 easily, maybe 4.0 with air if I get the right cooler, and 4.5+ if I go water. And if I don't OC at all, 3.2GHz still isn't bad. I considered the E8400 like I did for my wife's gaming pc, but I feel quad core is more useful long term, especially since I do more than just gaming and multicore-aware games are just starting to arrive.
OCZ Vendetta 2 120mm CPU Cooler
I was originally looking at the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 (w/ACK-I7751) but the OCZ Vendetta 2 supposedly fits better on the eVGA 790i. I also looked at several others that were rated better coolers than the OCZ, but I wasn't sure how well they'd fit. I like the Sunbeam Core-Contact Freezer, Thermalright Ultra 120 & Extreme, CPNS9700 LED, and Tuniq Tower 120 too, though all seem pretty loud too.
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) XMS DHX-IN DDR3 1600 SDRAM (7-7-7-20)
The Corsair DDR3 XMS RAM reviewed well (and is great for overclocking.) Of course, I'd be happy to save money and get DDR2 800 CAS4 RAM (and OC to 1066+) but it doesn't appear to work in the 790i, so I'd have to drop to the 780i or something else for that. Crucial is also looking really strong in the 790i, so I may end up going with that instead, but I haven't heard much good about OCZ or G.SKILL DDR3 on the 790i.
eVGA GTX 280 FTW Edition Video Card (x2)
These are already on their way. Bought them early since I knew they were going to sell out fast. I probably should have waited on the 4870 to release, but I'm more nVidia focused.
WD VelociRaptor 300GB 10K RPM SATA HDD
I may get two of these for RAID 0, but for now I'm probably going to stick with 1. Especially since the nForce 790i raid controller isn't that great, so I'd end up paying for a 3Ware card.
Pioneer Blu-Ray DVD-ROM & DVD+/-R Burner SATA
I may get the LG Blu-Ray burner instead, since they are great media for backup purposes, but I also want to be able to watch Blu-Ray DVD's.
Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit
No brainer.
Arctic Cooling MX-2 TIM
Doing better than Arctic Silver 5, which I'd normally use.
For the most part I'm pretty confident that the system above will work, assuming my 790i doesn't lock up, and I can get all my OC setttings working right, but I may be making poor choices, or spending too much on parts I don't need.
If water cooling is the better choice, I'd love to know what I should be looking at picking up. I know Thermaltake makes pre-installed bare bones cases with watercooling (like on the SwordM) but I've heard its better to buy the parts separately, since the kits are lowest common denominator. If I get water I'll probably get the eVGA GTX 280 waterblocks too.
FYI, I'm driving a Dell 3008FPW 30" monitor, so I really want SLI for the fill rate so I can run 2560x1600 native with high settings in games like Crysis and AoC and still get decent FPS.
Anyway that's about everything. Thanks in advance for any advice or assistance you can provide!
-D
Despite the less than stellar initial reviews for the GTX 280, I've taken the plunge to get two of the eVGA GTX 280 FTW cards (which will be here on Monday), and am planning to build a SLI based rig around them. (Based on the stats, I'm crossing my fingers that when the drivers are tuned, these things will see a huge performance increase.)
I'm a somewhat old school PC builder, but haven't been building new systems every year like I used to, so I'm not as up to speed on all the latest gear as I'd like. Nowdays I only upgrade my system every few years, so I'm willing to spend a bit more to get a great system now which will still be decent in 2010... I just want to make sure I'm doing this right. I did build a new X38/E8400/9800GTX based system for my wife last week (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11887247), so at least I'm not completely rusty.
I've been doing some research, but have some questions on what my best options are. I know there is no silver bullet on PC building, but I'd like some validation on what I'm doing, and any suggestions for proven alternate gear would be welcomed.
I know the GTX 280's run hot, so water cooling is something I have considered, but not sure I want to go down that route since I'm not really all that familiar with it, and I'm worried it will leak and destroy my system. If I do go down that road, I'd love to do some reasonable overclocking though.
Assuming I stick with air cooling, am leaning towards the following config (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=11884807), all of which is available through New Egg...
Thermaltake SwordM VD5000BNA Full Tower Case (Air)
I really like the look of the SwordM, though it is expensive, it seems like it should have good airflow and plenty of room for 2 long video cards and a tall CPU cooler. I figure a mid-tower case is probably too cramped for two GTX 280's to get decent airflow. I also liked the Silverstone SST-TJ07, CoolerMaster Cosmos S, and Antec Twelve Hundred. If I go with air I need to make sure I have great airflow, since ambient temperatures where my PC is can sometimes be upwards of 75-80F with A/C running.
PC Power & Cooling T12W 1200W PSU
PCP&C has always done well for me in the past, though they are not cheap. Based on reviews the GTX 280 is power hungry, and most of the SLI certified PSUs are 1200W (the T12W is certified for GTX 280 in 2-way and 3-way SLI.) I can probably get away with 1000W, but having extra is better than not enough. I also liked the Silverstone, Corsair, and Tagan PSU's in that watt range.
eVGA nForce 790i Ultra SLI Motherboard
I think the 790i is pretty much what I need to make sure I have full 1600FSB and PCIe 2.x support with nVidia SLI. However I see a ton of folks with 780i and 750i FTW boards who have pretty nice rigs, so maybe its not such a big deal? It's been recommended I might wait for the 790i Ultra FTW (though there is no ETA on that), or look at the ASUS Striker II Extreme (or 790i Ultra Black Pearl if I go water) too. I'm not too worried about brands if the boards are working well... I've heard a lot of people having problems with the nForce 700 series motherboards, so that makes me a bit nervous, but I need them for SLI so I'm pretty much stuck there.
Intel QX9770 3.2GHz Quad Core CPU
The GX9770 is very expensive, but it should be able to OC to 3.6 easily, maybe 4.0 with air if I get the right cooler, and 4.5+ if I go water. And if I don't OC at all, 3.2GHz still isn't bad. I considered the E8400 like I did for my wife's gaming pc, but I feel quad core is more useful long term, especially since I do more than just gaming and multicore-aware games are just starting to arrive.
OCZ Vendetta 2 120mm CPU Cooler
I was originally looking at the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 (w/ACK-I7751) but the OCZ Vendetta 2 supposedly fits better on the eVGA 790i. I also looked at several others that were rated better coolers than the OCZ, but I wasn't sure how well they'd fit. I like the Sunbeam Core-Contact Freezer, Thermalright Ultra 120 & Extreme, CPNS9700 LED, and Tuniq Tower 120 too, though all seem pretty loud too.
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) XMS DHX-IN DDR3 1600 SDRAM (7-7-7-20)
The Corsair DDR3 XMS RAM reviewed well (and is great for overclocking.) Of course, I'd be happy to save money and get DDR2 800 CAS4 RAM (and OC to 1066+) but it doesn't appear to work in the 790i, so I'd have to drop to the 780i or something else for that. Crucial is also looking really strong in the 790i, so I may end up going with that instead, but I haven't heard much good about OCZ or G.SKILL DDR3 on the 790i.
eVGA GTX 280 FTW Edition Video Card (x2)
These are already on their way. Bought them early since I knew they were going to sell out fast. I probably should have waited on the 4870 to release, but I'm more nVidia focused.
WD VelociRaptor 300GB 10K RPM SATA HDD
I may get two of these for RAID 0, but for now I'm probably going to stick with 1. Especially since the nForce 790i raid controller isn't that great, so I'd end up paying for a 3Ware card.
Pioneer Blu-Ray DVD-ROM & DVD+/-R Burner SATA
I may get the LG Blu-Ray burner instead, since they are great media for backup purposes, but I also want to be able to watch Blu-Ray DVD's.
Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit
No brainer.
Arctic Cooling MX-2 TIM
Doing better than Arctic Silver 5, which I'd normally use.
For the most part I'm pretty confident that the system above will work, assuming my 790i doesn't lock up, and I can get all my OC setttings working right, but I may be making poor choices, or spending too much on parts I don't need.
If water cooling is the better choice, I'd love to know what I should be looking at picking up. I know Thermaltake makes pre-installed bare bones cases with watercooling (like on the SwordM) but I've heard its better to buy the parts separately, since the kits are lowest common denominator. If I get water I'll probably get the eVGA GTX 280 waterblocks too.
FYI, I'm driving a Dell 3008FPW 30" monitor, so I really want SLI for the fill rate so I can run 2560x1600 native with high settings in games like Crysis and AoC and still get decent FPS.
Anyway that's about everything. Thanks in advance for any advice or assistance you can provide!
-D