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July 9, 2008 9:55:28 AM

Hi everyone

My system is: E6850 3Ghz, 2Gb Ram 1066 DDR2, Asus P5KC, 320 GB western digital, 650W psu Zalman and XFX 8800 GTX.

The question is with all these arrivals (9800GX2, 9800GTX, GTX 280 and 260, 4850 and 4870) is it necessary to upgrade my graphic card? i will see big difference?
I play all the new games like Crysis, Grid, Company of heroes, Lost planet, Gears of War etc... in 1650x1080 res and in high options with at least with 30 fps!

I am waiting your opinion...

P.S sorry for my poor english

Thank you!

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July 9, 2008 10:17:18 AM

Well if you really want to the 4870 or GTX280 might offer a decent upgrade but with your current settings / performance level I would wait.
July 9, 2008 10:29:11 AM

Definitely wait. The 8800gtx is still an awesome card, and to me there isn't really a decent choice for a good upgrade.
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July 9, 2008 11:01:37 AM

hello i am planning for 8600 gts and i have a 400w smps psu with amd 6000+, asus mobo msn mx se my psu does not have a 6 pin connector, how can i install the card and also tell me whether 400w will be enough for 8600 gts, i have a 22 inch lcd(view sonic)
a c 207 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 11:15:10 AM

sms2luv, since you have a new question, please post a new thread to ask it.
July 9, 2008 11:19:07 AM

Aristhewargod13 said:
I play all the new games like Crysis, Grid, Company of heroes, Lost planet, Gears of War etc... in 1650x1080 res and in high options with at least with 30 fps!

Sounds to me like you've answered your own question :sol: 
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 11:22:53 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/252574-33-staying-880...

I have this config:

Core2Duo E6600@3.2
ASUS P5KE- WIFI
SEAGATE BARRACUDA 500GB 16MB
OCZ VINDICATOR CPU COOLER
OCZ 4GB REAPER DDR2 800 4-4-4-15
OCZ 8800GTX @612/1080(=8800ULTRA)
OCZ PROXSTREAM 1000WAT
THERMALTAKE ARMOR CASE
LG M228WA MONITOR with 1680x1050 resolution
XP 32 + SP3 RC1

I can play every game out there maxed out with no problems (including Crysis @ 1680x1050 with 0xAA and everything @ ultra quality_with
TRIPLE C hack_)and i am really happy with its performance.

Of course there are better cards out there,but my card is still plenty fast and i dont really want to upgrade.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 11:48:45 AM

Err... nice rig, good for you. Not like anyone asked though.

Now addressing the question, if you change your VGA now, you be paying hard money for a not-so-great boost in performance. Since your rig is well built, you can definitely wait a little longer. Maybe the next-gen CPUs might make you upgrade your system (not that you need it, it just might be tempting), and changing the VGA then will be at least less expensive.
July 9, 2008 12:06:43 PM

Sell your 8800 GTX for $150-200 for a quick buck, then pick up a 4870 would be my suggestion. I'm coming from 8800 GTX OC SLI and upgraded to 4870 X-fire and see +/-30% gain in performance. I'm really pleased with the increase and well worth the money imo.

8800 GTX IS still a very good card, but you could do better for not much more money. It all depends on your budget I guess...
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 12:08:42 PM

Why?i can max out everything out there and have no problems with it i will upgrade when i really dont get the peformance i need

Also i have XP SP3 RC1
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 12:15:43 PM

You know, harmattan has hit on something here.
Your 8800GTX is still a great card, that means it is worth money to someone. You could indeed get an easy $200 out of it. Seems like a pretty good plan to me, get rid of it instead of piling it in the closet with all the rest of your old outdated hardware you have ran it to the end of it's lifespan, and value to anyone. Hmmm. What a concept!
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 12:37:06 PM

lol in IRAN PC components are more expensive than US,also its extremely hard to sell a PC component in IRAN and u cant sell it with a good price :( 
July 9, 2008 12:38:58 PM

harmattan said:
Sell your 8800 GTX for $150-200 for a quick buck, then pick up a 4870 would be my suggestion. I'm coming from 8800 GTX OC SLI and upgraded to 4870 X-fire and see +/-30% gain in performance. I'm really pleased with the increase and well worth the money imo...


wha??

First off, I know 4870's are good cards but you won't get 30% improvement across the board as not all games scale equally especially when considering differences between Xfire and SLI.

Second your asking the dude to not only sell his ($600) 8800GTX for $150 and turn around and buy two more cheap 4870's and if he doesn't have a Xfire compatible board how is that going to help him?

Third your comparing an improvement in performance of two 4870's and suggesting he buy one 4870 to replace his 8800GTX..., dude thats waK!

Last, you sold your $1200 worth of video cards and spent another $500 - $600 for a questionable 30% improvement, so you say..., not a great deal if you ask me.

Have fun with your 4870's but don't steer this guy wrong man! Go brag somewhere else, personally I ain't impressed. :pfff: 
July 9, 2008 12:59:24 PM

Maziar said:
lol in IRAN PC components are more expensive than US,also its extremely hard to sell a PC component in IRAN and u cant sell it with a good price :( 

Why do you write Iran in all caps?

WRT the OP, I don't get it. You can run the latest games at high settings with at least 30FPS and you want to know if you should upgrade??
July 9, 2008 1:04:31 PM

I also have 8800GT and i will wait for 4870x2. gtx 280 or ati 4870 doesnt bring enough improvement for me to consider upgrade, but dual 4870 card should leave 8800gtx in dust.
Rest system is q6600 and 8GB ram and i am getting problems to run some games with 30+ fps on high details and resolution.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 1:25:01 PM

Wait a couple weeks, and buy a 4870x2 No CF board needed. After selling his 8800GTX, only 350 US, and he will see better gaimng in every game, and 2 times as much in some
July 9, 2008 1:45:04 PM

I am with jd

I would wait for the 4870x2

July 9, 2008 1:56:42 PM

warezme said:
wha??

First off, I know 4870's are good cards but you won't get 30% improvement across the board as not all games scale equally especially when considering differences between Xfire and SLI.

Second your asking the dude to not only sell his ($600) 8800GTX for $150 and turn around and buy two more cheap 4870's and if he doesn't have a Xfire compatible board how is that going to help him?

Third your comparing an improvement in performance of two 4870's and suggesting he buy one 4870 to replace his 8800GTX..., dude thats waK!

Last, you sold your $1200 worth of video cards and spent another $500 - $600 for a questionable 30% improvement, so you say..., not a great deal if you ask me.

Have fun with your 4870's but don't steer this guy wrong man! Go brag somewhere else, personally I ain't impressed. :pfff: 


- 30% avg. increase in FPS is what I'm seeing in AoC, Sins, and Assassin's Creed - and this is with the scaling issues of SLI/X-fire, so the increase would be more consistant with a single card comparison. Sure, in some games you'll get only 10% increase, but in others 40%. These are my observations, but here's a direct comparison of 4870 vs. 8800 GTX:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990/12

- Please show me where an 8800 GTX sells for $600. It doesn't, and hasn't since about 2 months after launch in Nov. '06. Currently, a new 8800 GTX can be had for under $350; used resale value is around $200.

- You math and understanding of technology obscelecense/market demand is questionable. In reality, I sold my $400's worth of used 8800 GTXs and spent the $200 difference for new 4870s. For the OP, the cost would be less than that to move to a single 4870 if he/she sold the 8800 GTX.

- Lastly, to clarify, I'm not asking OP to move to a dual card setup. Original question was whether he/she should move to from a single 8800 GTX to a newer single card (4870 would be my choice, and that is my suggestion.

I'm not bragging, them's the facts. But wait... you're right, that post made expressedly to impress you wasn't it? I'll try harder next time :sweat: 

a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 2:24:46 PM

Does typing Iran in capital form hurt any one ? :)  :D 
July 9, 2008 2:30:13 PM

harmattan said:
- Lastly, to clarify, I'm not asking OP to move to a dual card setup. Original question was whether he/she should move to from a single 8800 GTX to a newer single card (4870 would be my choice, and that is my suggestion.

So you're suggesting the OP sell the 8800GTX for <$200 (what they're going for on ebay) and buy a $300 HD4870? I guess that isn't such a bad idea, albeit a bit unnecessary IMO.
July 9, 2008 2:31:20 PM

Maziar said:
Does typing Iran in capital form hurt any one ? :)  :D 

Not at all, I was just wondering if there was some acronym that I was missing :p 
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 2:45:13 PM

Nope :)  :D 
July 9, 2008 2:46:38 PM

Hold out for the next gen (HD5850 or GTX360)

Your card is still awesome (and competitive). It has a few more kicks in it before it meets its end.
July 9, 2008 2:49:13 PM

To the OP. Why spend money if you are satisfied with the performance of your current set up? The question goes back to you. Are you satisfied with the performance you are getting in the games you play. If you went out and bought some hot new game and it didn't perform well for you, then you might want to consider a new card. If all is good but you want a higher score in a benchmark, then you have to weigh out whether seeing a bigger number after a benchmark (not a game) makes you feel good and what cost you are willing to pay for that. If it were me, I wouldn't change cards unless you have more money then common since or you are no longer satisfied with its performance.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 3:02:13 PM

The 8800GTX is still a fine mid range card. Itll do almost anything thats asked of it. But it wont provide peak performance is some games at certain resolutions. If the OP wants peak, he/she needs to move up
July 9, 2008 3:51:51 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
The 8800GTX is still a fine mid range card. Itll do almost anything thats asked of it. But it wont provide peak performance is some games at certain resolutions. If the OP wants peak, he/she needs to move up


Peak... hmmm... peak lasts for a few months at best and it usually costs 3 times as much as satisfactory and it is usually hard to decern the difference with the naked eye. If it runs what you play, stick with it.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 4:12:33 PM

Ummm, not really. I meant to get maxxed everything out of games, the 8800GTX wont do that in all games up to 19x12, leaving out the 30". If they sell their card for 150 dollars, for 350 more you can have double the performance. Thats not too bad. 350 for peak performance and every game maxxed out except Crysis isnt bad. 350 isnt 3x as satisfactory
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 4:50:53 PM

But u have to consider something too,there arent many who have 30" displays,mostly they have a 17" or 22" monitor which means the resolutions like 1280x1024 and 1680x1050
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 4:58:32 PM

No, what I meant was, the 8800GTX cant even max most games at 30" , so leave that resolution out, I was talking about all other resolutions
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 5:13:17 PM

All other resolutions?
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 5:22:21 PM

I was trying to make it a fair comparison, by leaving out the 30" resolution, since the GTX cant do much at that resolution. At 19x12 the GTX suffers in many games with all eyecandy on. You wouldnt have that with a high end card
July 9, 2008 5:48:27 PM

What game (other than Crysis) doesn't the 8800GTX provide "peak performance"? All the games I play, the 8800GTX chews through without batting an eyelash (if it had one to bat).

And calling it a "mid-range" card is a a slight mis-nomer (sp?) in my opinion. Better than most "mid-range" cards, but not quite a high-end one anymore.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 5:59:45 PM

There currently are at least 8 cards with better performance thasn the 8800GTX. No wheres near the top, at all. And that may be 9 cards. Heres just 2 examples of the GTX struggling with eye candy at 19x12 http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=16 http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14990/13 Now dont get me wrong. Its still a great card, but some newer games and for sure games to come are making the GTX incapable of max eye candy at good fps. Its showing its age. And soon itll be rated as low as the 10th or 11th best card out.
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 6:09:10 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly don't call 38+fps "struggling"...
a b U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 6:21:35 PM

Thats barely making it. Theres other games out thats worse also. 30 is minimum. Bare minimum. And it depends on the game as well. The next games coming out will be even more demanding, how close to minimum does a card have to get? Obviously, if youve spent the money for such a card, you either stay ahead of the games, or start calling it good enough.
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 9, 2008 6:40:41 PM

I dont do it,i dont buy anything for future, i will buy something when i dont get the performance from what i have, my 8800GTX is a beast and manages to run everything maxed out also a 8800GTX can play most games @ high (some with AA and others not) like COH,QUAKE WARS,LOST PLANET.......
If u buy something for future games then when future games come out then we will have new products which may be better.
Thats my opinion though,i respect other ideas
July 9, 2008 6:59:28 PM

^Hmm, I would think the 8800GTX would be able to handle modern games maxed out at normal resolutions even with AA. Personally if I can't play a game with AA I wait until I can, Crysis being a notable exception. Jaggies are my nemesis :p 
July 9, 2008 7:05:22 PM

jaydeejohn likes ATI. I think he wants to encourage folks to go out and buy new cards because the current ATI crop is kicking some booty. Back to the point I was making... Why would anyone spend money to play a game that they can already play with a negligable increase in performance/quality. If it plays what you play, then don't fix what isn't broke. Save your money. My goodness! Can you imagin how broke we all be if we all bought a new video card every time there was a new series? Usually I can get ~ 2 years out of a card. Sometimes less. Then I buy something new. The best card that I could buy today would be a mid-range at best card a year from now. The 8800 did have a longer then usual life because ATI showed no competition for a longer then usual period.
July 9, 2008 10:06:15 PM

ok my friends thank you all.
I will keep my beast until christmas when Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 come at stores.
8800 GTX is still a high-end card
July 10, 2008 1:25:16 AM

Aristhewargod13 said:
ok my friends thank you all.
I will keep my beast until christmas when Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 come at stores.
8800 GTX is still a high-end card

Heh, I don't think either of those games will give you much reason to upgrade. From the screenshots I've seen they don't look too GPU intensive.
a c 169 U Graphics card
July 10, 2008 5:59:12 AM

Yeah, a 8800GTX can max out those games with no problems IMO
a b U Graphics card
July 10, 2008 6:26:07 AM

Im sorry if I came off in a certain fashion. Its just this. Seeing the release of the GTX, and the domination it had in games at the time, and the cost of the card, it has changed alot since then. Also, I was just thinking that someone whod spent that much money for bleeding edge performance would want to stay there. Todays cards, all better than the GTX, are cheap price/performance wise. With these things in mind I made my comments. It does sound weird saying the GTX is a mid range card, but Ill just remind you, when this card came out, go to the 10th rated card behind it at the time. Wouldnt you consider that card mid range? Like Ive said, its a fine card, and can handle most games maxxed out, but not all. Thats great, but I was coming from the perpective of bleeding edge, sorry if I was misunderstood. And, like I said, at todays pricing, and more cuts to come, its a great time to upgrade, and finally theres options to get a much better gaming performance over the GTX. And no one knows how demanding the newer games will be, as they havnt been released yet, and havnt had the newer HW for very long to test with.
July 10, 2008 11:26:52 AM

^Just because there are 10 cards that are faster than the 8800GTX does not make it a mid-range card. The Porsche 911 GT2 isn't one of the top ten fastest cars in the world, does that make it mid-range?

An overclocked 8800GTX is still a better choice than any of the G92 based solutions (possibly excluding the GX2) for super high resolutions.
July 10, 2008 11:35:30 AM

I agree with homerdog...
But i am afraid to overclock my XFX 8800GTX.
However i am satisfied with my current fps at 1650x1080 in full options...
July 10, 2008 12:27:48 PM

If the delta between the top end cards and 8800 GTX is 30-40%, then yes, imo the 8800 GTX is mid-range (albeit upper mid-range). It's funny how the general mindset takes a while to adjust to the idea of the last generations "top-end" cards to be considered "mid-range". We saw the same transition when the 8800s were released: I remember people still refering to their 1950 XTs and 7950s as "high-end" for a while. I have a feeling some will stick to considering their 8800/9800s "high-end" for a couple more weeks, then the majority will shift the gradient once 4870 X2 is released and the new cards have had some time to mature.

There is an absolute here that has already been mentioned: if your current card plays all games well at the resolution and settings you enjoy, there may not be a point to upgrading. However, since the OP asked "will i see a difference" from upgrading, this is the question that should be treated.

Taxonomy notwithstanding, I still think $100 is very reasonable for the nice jump in performance from 8800 GTX to a 4870 or GTX 260.
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