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Radeon HD 3850 AGP WARNING!

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July 10, 2008 6:29:28 AM

Just a FYI for people out there, this card can be a royal pain in the neck to deal with. I know its been featured for at least 2 months in the best vid card for the money articles.

Short story, ATI doesn't support them, the official drivers don't work at all on them, and Omega hasn't updated his drivers since this card came out, so it doesn't even detect it as a valid choice when trying to install them. So basically you have to use the manufacturer's drivers, and they churn them out non-functional. I bought a Sapphire version of this card that they produced in February, and they didn't actually have working drivers for it until June.

So just a word of caution, be VERY careful if you try to get one of these.

(This warning only applies to the AGP version of the card)
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 10, 2008 8:07:05 AM


I havnt got one so will take your word for it, however i feel i must ask if you are aware of the hotfix drivers for these cards. They seem to have been needed for AGP versions since the 2000 cards.
Mactronix :) 
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July 10, 2008 1:34:39 PM

Hmm... Someone else had also mentioned to me, previously, a driver issue regarding the HD 3850 for AGP as well. So I think that there is definite merit to your statement. Though admitedly, I don't have personal experience with AGP cards newer than the X800XT I have, so I can't quite say for certain what the proper way of going around these things are.
July 10, 2008 2:54:32 PM

I have a 3850 AGP, on my ol socket 478 mobo. Yes my CPU is a huge bottleneck.

However I must state that i have had minimal driver problems. For both my Vista and XP partitions.

I used the official drivers with the AGP hotfix. All my games run great at improved settigns (from my 6600gt). As long as my CPU can provide enough speed to run the games at over 30fps (mostly older games), my 3850 AGP allows me to crank to well above my previously playable settings.

Also, my 3850 combined with MPC-HC, allows complete 100% DXVA acceleration of 1080p MKV files (as long as they are L4.1). My CPU at 100% could not even come close to decoding these movies at watchable levels. Now my 3850 does all the work and my ancient P4 2.53ghz sits at below 10%.

Once again i state, I have incredible fortune with ATI's drivers for the 3850 AGP. Try the catalyst 8.5 with hotfix.
July 22, 2008 6:16:30 AM

and I have a 100% fix and solution for that.
ATI had work on a hotfix 8.6 Driver for all 3000 series model AGP video cards.
This one is 100% workable and is 100% the best driver with no problems for 3 months already
There is the link to the driver you need for all 3000 series AGP cards

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=8...

what you need to do is scroll down to click on the 8.6 Hotfix driver in green link and it will the driver download is
right under solution. bring you to the download driver ATI 8.6 Driver
This driver was release June of 2008.
July 23, 2008 3:46:09 AM

I just purchased my HIS Radeon HD 3850 AGP card, my question is after installing the drivers from disc and Catalyst I than download the hotfix correct ?

Also run drive cleaner when ever changing cards. for the new guys :heink: 

Speaking of Newbie.. I'm new myself :hello:  ... Nice website.. Lots & Lots of great info... I like ! :sol: 
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 23, 2008 8:49:29 AM


To armani2468,

Welcome to the forum, In an ideal world you would have downloaded the hotfix drivers before uninstalling the present Graphics card just in case you get a really bad problem. Personally i always do what i can before the fact. Then uninstall the old card, Driver cleaner etc as you know. The hotfix drivers are for a specific DX related problem and i guess they may not be needed but most people seem to get the problem. AMD state that it isnt an officially supported driver and should only be used if the DX problem is experianced. So you are correct that you shouldrun the normal drivers CCC first and you then only use the hotfix ones if needed.

Note: This driver is provided as is and is not supported by AMD. It has not completed full AMD testing, and is only recommended for users experiencing the particular issue described above.

Mactronix
July 24, 2008 12:22:06 AM

armani2468 said:
I just purchased my HIS Radeon HD 3850 AGP card, my question is after installing the drivers from disc and Catalyst I than download the hotfix correct ?

Also run drive cleaner when ever changing cards. for the new guys :heink: 

Speaking of Newbie.. I'm new myself :hello:  ... Nice website.. Lots & Lots of great info... I like ! :sol: 


You don't even have to install the driver from the disc, you can just download the hotfox from the site and it will work better.
This is what I learn and know, if you install the driver from the disc, the system will always do a backup it your PC is set up in that way.
Meaning if you always have issues with other hardware and you need to go back to the last known working config, (specially) with AGP, the system will hardware will act if the old driver is there. It's always best to uninstalled the driver first, then reboot and install the new driver, and to a restore backup on the day you install the driver congfig. So if anything goes wrong you know when to set back the date when you install the driver. I say this because other hardware can damage or cause issues to other hardware. Specially when it's software and drivers.

July 24, 2008 12:35:54 AM

mactronix said:
To armani2468,

Welcome to the forum, In an ideal world you would have downloaded the hotfix drivers before uninstalling the present Graphics card just in case you get a really bad problem. Personally i always do what i can before the fact. Then uninstall the old card, Driver cleaner etc as you know. The hotfix drivers are for a specific DX related problem and i guess they may not be needed but most people seem to get the problem. AMD state that it isnt an officially supported driver and should only be used if the DX problem is experianced. So you are correct that you shouldrun the normal drivers CCC first and you then only use the hotfix ones if needed.

Note: This driver is provided as is and is not supported by AMD. It has not completed full AMD testing, and is only recommended for users experiencing the particular issue described above.

Mactronix



But the hotfix driver for the AGP 8.6 is everything, not just the driver but a new version of the CCC and DX for AGP.
This is why I download it when I started to add software and hardware to the system. The first time I'd installed the 8.4 drivers because
before I install it in my other system the P4 3.2HT and it made the system lock up each time I start up my computer. It even didn't wan to load in safe mode as well, when it try to it stop at windows\driver\system\AGP440. and nothing else.
Lucky me I had install another harddrive on that system and store all her work and my work on that harddrive.
What happen was the motherboard got lock up because of those drivers they send with the 3850 card.
Even when you do an update from HIS website and they have the 8.5 driver, there were alot of issues with it.

Now
So far On the P4 system that my fiance is using the driver 8.6 bundle hotfix , it hasn't act up not once.
I play with her on NFSPS I am on my quad core extreme and she is on my P4 3.2HT system.
Not to worry everything on that system as update date parts, like controller panel, new heatsink, Five 120mm fans more than 2100rpms, two 80mm fans at 2700rpm, 650 powersupply by Xigmatek, some consair XMS series led memory up to 4GB.
Computer is in great shape now and card work better with the hotfix drivers bundle.

Just want to tell you my story if you don't mind
Thanks
a b U Graphics card
July 24, 2008 2:37:32 AM

Usually I'd recommend installing the software off the disc for components not included in the online packages, like DVD software or even just MPEG decoding support.

However as I don't have experience with this card, I would defer to K646's experiences with the driver.

It goes against the norm for me of getting the system working and then updating, but if the build is significantly different and there are significant issues then, it might just save headaches overall and would make sense to skip the install disc.
July 24, 2008 4:43:03 AM

Wow, you guys Rock! :bounce:  This is great feedback. I've also read that the drivers on the CD can and will lock up your rig to the point of no return as the other member stated he was able to go to his back up QB (HD) I plan on imaging my Rig before I install the hotfix. Using Acronis back up Image. :ange:  for clarification purpose the hotfix will INCLUDE everything that I need for the card .. correct????
July 24, 2008 7:36:06 AM

armani2468 said:
Wow, you guys Rock! :bounce:  This is great feedback. I've also read that the drivers on the CD can and will lock up your rig to the point of no return as the other member stated he was able to go to his back up QB (HD) I plan on imaging my Rig before I install the hotfix. Using Acronis back up Image. :ange:  for clarification purpose the hotfix will INCLUDE everything that I need for the card .. correct????


You can but that is up to you my friend.
Yes it's true about those drivers 8.4 and 8.5 will lock up your system agp slot and force it to not boot up the system correctly.

Installing the hotfix driver on my other system for this 3850 HD video card has show alot of excellent performance for an agp slot
I am happy with it and just want to share the love.

Good luck
July 24, 2008 7:43:50 AM

armani2468 said:
Wow, you guys Rock! :bounce:  This is great feedback. I've also read that the drivers on the CD can and will lock up your rig to the point of no return as the other member stated he was able to go to his back up QB (HD) I plan on imaging my Rig before I install the hotfix. Using Acronis back up Image. :ange:  for clarification purpose the hotfix will INCLUDE everything that I need for the card .. correct????


If you have only one HD, you can split the HD into 2 drives as well, if anything goes wrong you can save your work and other data onto
that split HD. That is another option for you as well that is if you want to do the split hard settings.
I used to do it before and save my butt when computer crash, So even if you have to reformat the C drive again the other split drive will not be reformatted. The first HD Drive will always be C: and the second will be either D: so you know what spilt HD to reformat when your PC crash like that. Always have the software and data work you have other any files to the D; HD split drive
Just another option for you. Oh how to do that is another topic.
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 24, 2008 9:03:08 AM



@ Keiki646,

I do appreciate what you are saying and what The Great Grape Ape posted pretty much covers my own feelings on the matter.

Thats what these forums are about,sharing experiance and knowledge. Anyway thanks for the heads up on the AGP and Hotfix driver position.

Mactronix
July 24, 2008 12:04:41 PM

mactronix said:
@ Keiki646,

I do appreciate what you are saying and what The Great Grape Ape posted pretty much covers my own feelings on the matter.

Thats what these forums are about,sharing experiance and knowledge. Anyway thanks for the heads up on the AGP and Hotfix driver position.

Mactronix


Happy to hear you appreciate my input
Makes me smile
July 24, 2008 8:18:31 PM

armani2468 said:
Wow, you guys Rock! :bounce:  This is great feedback. I've also read that the drivers on the CD can and will lock up your rig to the point of no return as the other member stated he was able to go to his back up QB (HD) I plan on imaging my Rig before I install the hotfix. Using Acronis back up Image. :ange:  for clarification purpose the hotfix will INCLUDE everything that I need for the card .. correct????



Oh yea, Do you ever think they will come out with a new AGP slot type like AGPX.2.0 or something like that. Where they are going to be not just x16 pipeline but 20 to 24 pipeline slots, if PCI in the future can no longer catch up with the technology for video card. Each day video cards will evlove and new motherboard and slots will have to be made.
July 25, 2008 4:17:02 AM

:ouch:  Now that would be interesting....... My card will be here by tomorrow I'll update you on my thoughts/feedback

Once again thanks for your input :o 
a c 130 U Graphics card
July 25, 2008 1:54:51 PM

Keiki646 said:
Oh yea, Do you ever think they will come out with a new AGP slot type like AGPX.2.0 or something like that. Where they are going to be not just x16 pipeline but 20 to 24 pipeline slots, if PCI in the future can no longer catch up with the technology for video card. Each day video cards will evlove and new motherboard and slots will have to be made.


Doubt it very much PCIE 2 is only just becoming the more prevelant slot on Motherboards and with PCIE 3 roughed out for late 2009 early 2010, I cant see the need to muddy the waters with a differant specification.

As far as PCI E (Im guessing thats what you mean when you say PCI) Not keeping up goes, there is no worry there.

Mactronix
July 26, 2008 4:11:31 AM

So get this.. I received my HD3850 today.. (very excited) and I followed directions to the T how ever I was not able to get my grubby hands on the 8.6 Hot fix only 8.7 so I reset and slapped in Halo just for the hell of it (wanted to see if I could really see a difference in performance ect) twice I received a VPU recover no longer responding to graphics driver commands.... I'm pretty positive it's this new 8.7 hotfix I clicked on the link but 8.7 hotfix is all I can find. anyone know what could be causing this..

Also if someone would be kind enough to fire me a copy of 8.6 hotfix that would be great :sol:  or a link because I can't find it anywhere !!!! :fou:  :fou:  :fou:  :fou:  :fou: 
July 26, 2008 4:24:13 AM

Found it :bounce:  but now I have uninstall reinstall and run driver cleaner .. just to make sure.. I'll you know if that fixed the issue.. which it should (fingers crossed)
September 10, 2008 8:50:13 AM

Hello there, I also own one of that (HD 3850 AGP) and i had a little diffrent
problem,
hope you guys can help me out...
MY SPEC.
MB ASUS A7N8X-X (n-Force chipset)
RAM:2Gb Take MS CL3
CPU: Amd Athlon 3000+ (barton core - current speed 2.2Mhz)
PSU: 550W
Graphic Card: Ati Sapphire HD 3850 AGP Series (512 DDR3)
OS: XP Pro SP2
Before i have HiS Ati Radeon 9600XT 256MB AGP (this one rock too)

ATI HD 3850 is the Best card for AGP and i an very pleased to have it,
results are outstanding!

Only I have a problem with stability:
I run crysis sandbox Editor on High detail
The Graphic is very cool, but when i work with editor for least 1 minute, system crush, (restarted by itself)
Ok, i try out other games on full Detail (CSS, Dark MEssiah, and some new one that requires Pixel Shader 3 or higher)
Result in games was good (no frezzez like on 9600XT)

my guess is that, my system cannot hold games on high detail levels

What can i do here?
I try test my CPU with Burn in 2008 (passed) with temperatures:
CPU Diode 71c
Processor 61c

In games the CPU temeratures are below:
Cpu diode: 70c
Processor: 50c
and system crash

Even i try it with difrent PSU 550W/850W
same result: system crash

I really need some advises, Sorry for my bad englis (i am from Slovenia)
Best regards....
September 10, 2008 4:22:08 PM

Try using the task manager and ending the process, Ati2evxx.exe.
Then try your usual things that make your system crash.

If it doesnt crash, that part of the driver set, is causing your problems.

If you've determined that ati2evxx.exe is your problem. Go into your services console, and disable the ATI event system service, or ATI Hotkey Poller.. then reboot.

If you still get the crashes without ati2evxx.exe running, then it isnt your problem, and ignore my advice.
September 10, 2008 7:18:59 PM

Hi again

I am disable Ati2evxx.exe - twice
It was the same problem (crash again)

Is this PSU good for thah Graphic Card



I am little wory about 360W on +12 V Rail
(i has only one 12V rail)
:(  I must have Hard Drive and DVD unit on the same cabe that powers the Graphic Card.
Maybe is this causing problem (PSU doesn't have more cables)

Is it possible this G.C. won't work on my Motherboard?
(I deeply hope it's gonna work somehow)

Thanks again from Slovenia

a c 376 U Graphics card
September 11, 2008 6:14:56 AM

Unless it's defective in some way the PSU definitely isn't your problem.
September 11, 2008 5:24:25 PM

What else can i do ?

I've been try a lot of thing....
September 11, 2008 5:36:03 PM

Who own this card?
Got another questin for thease people who has ATI AGP 3850
I've noticed when i am turn computer on, Graphic Card shut down vent for short time, then trun back on vent and monitor on.
I this normal?

I've also noticed LED Fan on CPU is flicking (bearly visible flikering)
it is possible MY Motherboard dont get enough power?
anyway my MOBO is not suported for +12V CPU PowerConetor.

And What PSU do you use? (Owners of AGP ATI HD 3850)

is this true or false, for exsamlpe if i got PSU With two +12 V Rails each of one has 18A on 12V (both together has 32A) or still 18A ???

thanks
September 12, 2008 6:01:37 PM

Depends on the PSU, but yeah, you should be able to add the rails to get your total 12V current.

Maybe this has nothing to do with your Graphics Card. Try running Prime95 torture test for 30 min. This will test your CPU and RAM.
If you can run 30min with no errors, then you're ok.

http://www.eocfiles.com/bdc86eb1ed2989c30dcd1902e84939a...
September 12, 2008 6:37:24 PM

How well does the version 8.8 of catalyst work with this 3850 AGP card? Is it still 8.6 which works best?

I myself have had thoughts about getting this graphic card, but I have chosen to upgrade my whole equipment and go over to pci-express in the future.
September 13, 2008 10:49:06 AM

Well, thanks for the link to prime95 Hixbot

However, i run Prime 95 for 5 hours without single error.
Also I test the GC with: Rthdribl
DX9 Real-Time High-Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting
Version 1.2 (work fine to me)

In my opinion My GC, CPU, RAM is OK, the MOBO is ok too i guess

my problem is still to play games on hi detail with full Rendering (8/12xAA 16AFF an so on)
When i set some new SM3.0 or higher games to full graphic detail i can play it for a few minutes (no lagging),
Then system restart.

Well what next to do:
Should i make new clean install of OS and drivers? (CCC Catalyt 8.8 work's fine to me, or should i try diffrend?)
Should i change stock GPU Fan with aftermarked one and maybe CPU Cooler and fan?
Maybe i need to do something in bios - With voltage of CPU, Ram or AGP slot?

Thanks for more advice in future....
i hope someone got good solutin...
September 15, 2008 10:20:52 AM

I find the problem...
My asus A7N8X-X is simply dead :( 
i try to turn on my computer and my GC won't started up the monitor..
I try with difernt MOBO and it work perfectly,
now i don't get reset issues but error with D3d
so i must get proper driver ?
My new MOBOB is older (real bottleneck)
currently i run GC on ASUS A7V266-C
I also replace the CPU from Asus-A7N8X-X to my new MOBO
so i get some more more preformance...

now i had a serius GC Driver problem Or GC is faulty
What should i do now ?
December 14, 2008 12:05:40 PM

Hi guys,

i just got the saphire HD 3850 it seem that the fan run stop and run stop, what is that mean? the psu is not good enough to run this AGP or the graphics card is faulty?

any answer could be help.

thanks in advance.


SAM
December 14, 2008 12:38:13 PM

You need to provide more information. How strong is your power supply and what's the brand of it?

My guess right now is that your powersupply is too weak to run it, but it could also be that you haven't plugged in the power cable on the graphic card.
December 15, 2008 8:52:16 AM

Thank you very much for your reply much appreciated Khelben1975.

the stupid thing i did was i plugged the power cable only one end and not both :(  now everything is working fine.

thanks again
February 15, 2009 5:43:17 PM

:lol: 

You burn my big fat bottom up you Poor Excuse for a Son of a Hamster!

All you need is the Hotfix! Even the unwashed but intelligent masses in this forum got it right! Look at all the posts my illustrious popinjay!

I write to tell all that the Radeon HD 3850 is a WONDERFUL graphics card, especially if you own am old motherboard that does NOT have PCI express slots on it but only the aging agp slot technology!!! This is what I faced. I had an old AMD Venice 3200+ processor and upgraded to a AMD Opteron 185 2.6 gig dual processor---Man my rig flys now!!!

The HD 3850 is a great card, you just have to mess with the hotfix drivers and be satisfied with that! Don't let that stop you from buying the best card available for an AGP only motherboard!!!

Rock on!

Doolittle :hello: 
May 13, 2009 4:47:34 PM

I recently purchased the Sapphire version of the 3850 to keep an older rig running for a while longer. I installed the 9.4 drivers and I found that the Catalyst Control Center disabled my AGP bus completely and I was running on a strictly PCI bus. Also, the texture memory for OpenGL apps was not working at all and OpenGL apps had choppy play back and low frame rates. I uninstalled the driver and then used the windows "update driver" function from inside the hardware manager window and installed just the driver for the card using the .inf file in the driver directory that was created when I ran the installation program (C:\ATI\9.4\driver as I recall). Once the driver was installed properly I ran the nvidia nforce install program to ensure that the GART drivers for my motherboard (ASUS A7N8X) were properly installed and presto. Everything works perfectly. AGP bus is enabled at 8X, texture mapping for OpenGL apps works all is well.

I figure if I want the functionality of the Catalyst Control Center I can get it using PowerStrip.
a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2009 6:00:01 PM

TY for this update. ^ we still have people trying to update their older AGP motherboards and driver support is really lacking for them.
May 17, 2009 12:21:02 AM

Ok sorry to wake up the grave yard yet again, I was just curious if this problem has been fixed, since I'm just about ready to buy one of these two cards:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...
http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct...

And I'd like some advice/suggestions or warnings, like if my Pentium 4 3.0ghz is going to bottleneck them, or if I can OC my P4 a bit to un-bottleneck them. I've got an ASUS p4s800 so I can't lock the pci/agp frequency in BIOS (if there is a frequency to lock at all...), and my fsb is already at the 800mhz max rated (and the HS is already very hot, no HS on SB :pt1cable:  ) for my mobo, so please keep those in mind if you guys want me to OC :) 

Sorry I was too lazy to read all the posts above here lol :na:  Hopefully, a forum patrol scout (Randomizer) won't come along and close this thread ^.^ but if you really wanna close it, go ahead lol can't stop you :p 
a b U Graphics card
May 17, 2009 4:37:25 PM

dirtmountain said:
TY for this update. ^ we still have people trying to update their older AGP motherboards and driver support is really lacking for them.


Just to help, from another thread, Mungers found a way to get it to work for him. Surprisingly enough PowerColor told him to change his aperture size, and that helped make things stable for him. I'm not sure why a larger addressable aperture would help, but it may have something to do with how the Rialto chip handles the AGP data chunks.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum2.php?config=tom...

This might help some people. Turning off fastwrites has worked in the past, but if they changed how the driver works, now Aperture side might be the new 'bottleneck'.
June 2, 2009 8:12:52 AM

I've got one of these cards running in an old P4, and it works great. Annihilates any other AGP card, took me from 1002 in 3DMark03 to over 25000.

Either download the Catalyst Hotfix drivers (which AMD fully do support and update regularly) and CCC/WDM/Avivo separately, or just get the official Catalyst drivers and add a line to the INF file identical to the normal 3850s, but change the Device ID from 9505 (PCIe 3850) to 9515 (AGP 3850). Like this:

"ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9515

Note that you can't overclock this card with software tools (like CCC or ATItool), due to the Bridging Chip visible on the rear of the card (which changes PCI-e signals into AGP signals), however you can still do hardware changes like the famous pencil volt mod.

You want at least a 450W power supply to run one of these things too.
June 11, 2009 9:22:30 PM

I have similar results as to Super Jamie's. This is an incredible card and provided something close to an exponential gain in my PC's gaming performance. I can't OC it because of the CPU bottleneck, but wow what a difference it makes. Definitely get this card if you don't want to do a full PCI-e 2.0 upgrade yet.
October 23, 2009 4:45:12 AM

I have had excellent results with an aging P4 system and the HD3850 and was wondering if I would benefit from the HD 4650. (512 mb DDR3 vs 1 gb DDR2). I have had absolutely no driver issues and am running the ATI 9.10 drivers presently. (Its been a labor of love to maintain and is not my primary gaming rig)

P4C800 Deluxe
3.4 Northwood P4 @3.57
4 gb Kingston ram
Vista 32bit Home Premium
a b U Graphics card
October 23, 2009 5:25:04 AM

Old thread, really old.
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