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4850 vs. 9800gtx vs. 8800gt vs. 9600gt

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July 12, 2008 7:46:57 PM

I'm sure these sorts of questions are asked a lot, but I thought I would ask anyways. My last part for my budget gaming build (E4600) is the video card. At my local fry's, there are 4 different models that are in my price range, which is $100-200. Which would be the best to pick up? Here they are:

BFG 9800gtx

4850

8800gt (BFG, xfx, eVGA).

9600gt

Thanks for any info!
July 12, 2008 7:56:07 PM

Their performance vary depending on rendering engine, resolution, and aa/af level. Benchmarks here.

Look through the different games, pick out the ones you play, the resolution you play at, and compare the charts.

Overall, 9800gtx=4850. 8800gt is 15% slower. and 9600gt 45% slower.

Currently, the best bang for the buck at that price range is g92 8800gts, which performs the same as 9800gtx/4850, but cost only $120 ar.
http://fxvideocards.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-8800-GTS-G92-512M...
July 12, 2008 8:02:35 PM

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July 12, 2008 8:18:14 PM

Just to add, I'll be using a 22" LCD.

Also, there's currently a deal at fry's where I can get the 9800gtx for $200 with a $50 rebate, where the 4850 is just $200.

I'd go for the 8800gts 512mb, but I'd like to just buy from fry's and they don't have that price. It's more expensive...
July 12, 2008 8:21:21 PM

s_nova4 said:
Just to add, I'll be using a 22" LCD.

Also, there's currently a deal at fry's where I can get the 9800gtx for $200 with a $50 rebate, where the 4850 is just $200.

I'd go for the 8800gts 512mb, but I'd like to just buy from fry's and they don't have that price. It's more expensive...

Then the 9800gtx is the better deal, being $50 cheaper and perform about the same.

Consider buying from other sources. A smart consumer is only loyal to good prices.
July 12, 2008 8:26:49 PM

dagger said:
Consider buying from other sources. A smart consumer is only loyal to good prices.


Oh, I know. It's just that right now I'd rather drive 10 minutes to Fry's, which is the only computer store locally with good prices, than wait for shipping. I've built two computers entirely from online sources; the first was from newegg parts and the second was mainly from Ebay. This time I just want to drive and buy. :D 

July 12, 2008 8:29:30 PM

I would go with the 9800GTX for $150. It sounds like a great deal, and it is right at fry's so you can just pop the card in and play other than waiting for it to come in the mail. I would say... GO GET IT!
July 12, 2008 8:29:44 PM

s_nova4 said:
Just to add, I'll be using a 22" LCD.

Also, there's currently a deal at fry's where I can get the 9800gtx for $200 with a $50 rebate, where the 4850 is just $200.

I'd go for the 8800gts 512mb, but I'd like to just buy from fry's and they don't have that price. It's more expensive...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD4850 $159.99 after MIR
July 12, 2008 8:37:16 PM

terror112 said:
I would go with the 9800GTX for $150. It sounds like a great deal, and it is right at fry's so you can just pop the card in and play other than waiting for it to come in the mail. I would say... GO GET IT!


That's what I was thinking...but I am at work...ack...



Good deal, but I am trying to buy locally...
July 12, 2008 8:53:34 PM

And it is funny how you can get the 9800GTX today for $150, when it cost $350 about 2 weeks ago.

EDIT: we have to be happy about the ways things are going so far in the computer industry for the consumer. We used to have to pay $400 for an entry-level dual core 3800 X2. now we pay almost nothing. Same with ram. DDR2 used to cost $200 for 2 sticks of the stuff. Now it costs us $30. As well as video cards, without competition from ATI we would still be paying $400 for an 8800GTS G80.
a b U Graphics card
July 12, 2008 9:01:16 PM

I'd say 4850. However, the 9800GTX for $150 is a good deal. So your price/performance rating would be better with the 9800GTX in that case.

If you're set on buying locally, I'd just go get the 9800GTX and be done with it. For $150 it's a pretty good card.
a b U Graphics card
July 12, 2008 9:05:51 PM

terror112 said:
And it is funny how you can get the 9800GTX today for $150, when it cost $350 about 2 weeks ago.

EDIT: we have to be happy about the ways things are going so far in the computer industry for the consumer. We used to have to pay $400 for an entry-level dual core 3800 X2. now we pay almost nothing. Same with ram. DDR2 used to cost $200 for 2 sticks of the stuff. Now it costs us $30. As well as video cards, without competition from ATI we would still be paying $400 for an 8800GTS G80.


Isn't that the truth! Just a year ago pricing did not seem to be as aggressive as it is now. It's great when you can buy a 'good' video card for under $200. Rather than a 'decent' video card for under $200.

It's also nice to see that s_nova4 can buy a 9800GTX for $150 after MIR from a retail store. Usually retail stores are nearly double the price as GPU's online.
July 12, 2008 9:07:27 PM

terror112 said:
And it is funny how you can get the 9800GTX today for $150, when it cost $350 about 2 weeks ago.


I knew price drops were fast, but 2 weeks? Geez... Good for me, though. :) 

July 12, 2008 9:10:59 PM

jerreece said:
It's also nice to see that s_nova4 can buy a 9800GTX for $150 after MIR from a retail store. Usually retail stores are nearly double the price as GPU's online.


Have you ever been to Fry's? Overall, their prices are usually high compared to online, but when you find their deals, they are a steal. I got a E4600 and motherboard for $100, when the E4600 is $115 alone on newegg.com. And, many new console games are $5-7 cheaper on release week than all other local stores. But, like I said, you have to look for the deals or it's not such a great deal

July 12, 2008 9:27:49 PM

s_nova4 said:
That's what I was thinking...but I am at work...ack...



Good deal, but I am trying to buy locally...


Also on that same card if you use code VGA71115 during checkout it's another $15 off, that's $145 w/ free shipping. You are much better off looking around rather than just buying from one place.
July 12, 2008 9:50:45 PM

ausch30 said:
Also on that same card if you use code VGA71115 during checkout it's another $15 off, that's $145 w/ free shipping. You are much better off looking around rather than just buying from one place.


You obviously haven't been reading my posts. I have bought online tons and tons of times. It's what I usually do. But, this time I am buying locally, and I'm not losing that much money because of it. I think I will come out about even because I have found some better deals than online, but I have also lost a few bucks on a couple items.
July 12, 2008 11:48:37 PM

4850 is the best card.
July 14, 2008 3:36:56 AM

its still funny how a 8800gtx ultra is still like 500$ :non: 
July 14, 2008 4:34:34 AM

terror112 said:
And it is funny how you can get the 9800GTX today for $150, when it cost $350 about 2 weeks ago.

EDIT: we have to be happy about the ways things are going so far in the computer industry for the consumer. We used to have to pay $400 for an entry-level dual core 3800 X2. now we pay almost nothing. Same with ram. DDR2 used to cost $200 for 2 sticks of the stuff. Now it costs us $30. As well as video cards, without competition from ATI we would still be paying $400 for an 8800GTS G80.


Actually that was more like 2 months ago. But you are right in point. Last year I ordered a DDR2-533 1GB stick for $80. A month ago I ordered 2x2GB XMS2 DDR2-800 sticks for $70! It's crazy.

90% of the time, the HD 4850 will outperform the 9800GTX, and that's just with baby drivers. However, it has a tendency to get really hot, and is a bit less energy efficient. If you can get the 9800GTX for more then $20 cheaper, then I would get it, but the HD 4850 is better in raw performance.
July 20, 2008 3:14:28 PM

Hey folks, I'll put my two cents in.
I have an 8800gt 1gb version and it is riddled with problems, all of which through rigorous study I have discovered are widespread throughout the 8800gt world, including lockups with sound loops and unstable factory overclocks. I have underclocked my card to Nvidia recommended stats and still have problems. Therefore, I am quite ready to take my distributor up on my 30-day money back guarantee and look into another card.
It is my understanding that the 4850 is a neck-and-neck runner to the 8800gt and I think that may be my next venture.
I have a modest system consisting of :

Processor: E8400 (no OC) 3.0ghz
GPU: Zotac 8800gt
OS: Windows xp
RAM: OCZ Reaper 1066
Audio: Soundblaster Audigy2
Mobo: Biostar TP43
(pretty budget system)

I get a 3dmark06 score of 11880 so the 8800gt performs plenty good. I just wish it didn't suffer the hang-ups that it does; it's very unfortunate.
So, anyway, I believe I will be switching to the 4850, unless any of you have a better recommendation.

Peace

Hemphill

"Any step ahead is a step in the right direction!"
July 20, 2008 4:04:18 PM

The 4850 is faster than the 8800GT, it is pretty much the same in performance as the 9800GTX+
July 20, 2008 4:13:43 PM

You pretty much listed the cards in order of descending power; the 9800GTX is above the 8800GT, and that above the 9600GT. The 4850 will trump the 9800GTX by a small but consistent amount, though it might widen when AA is enabled; unlike with the HD 2000 and 3000 cards, ATi seems to now hold an edge over nVidia when AA is used, or at least, the performance hit is nowhere near as bad.
s_nova4 said:
I knew price drops were fast, but 2 weeks? Geez... Good for me, though. :) 

The last month or two saw nVidia make the quickest and most drastic price drops in the history of graphics cards, and possibly one of the most drastic and quick drops in the history of computer hardware. (European PS2s an iPhones come to mind as also potential competitors)

hemphill said:
It is my understanding that the 4850 is a neck-and-neck runner to the 8800gt and I think that may be my next venture.

Just to note here, the 4850 readily beats the 8800GT across the board; it is *NOT* comparable, as it currently beats every nVidia card save for three: the GTX 260, GTX 280, and 9800GX2. And yes, it is notably more expensive than the 8800GT today, as a result. (or more of, nVidia was forced to slash prices badly to compete)

Just be aware that the card appears to run rather hot, (it has a single-slot cooler for a card that burns 110w, when normally they start putting 2-slot coolers on once they hit 100w) and there are apparently SOME scattered problems with people dealing with the early drivers for them; unlike the past couple years' cards, AMD did an overhaul of parts of the architecture when they made RV770; it's not just an RV670 with 150% more processing units slapped in.
July 20, 2008 4:22:17 PM

nottheking said:


And yes, it is notably more expensive than the 8800GT today, as a result. (or more of, nVidia was forced to slash prices badly to compete)



On Newegg the the cheapest 8800GT is $130 after rebate while the 4850 often can be found ~$145 after rebate so I wouldn't call that notably more expensive. You are correct in that it does run hot but the 8800GT did when it was new as well and after a while they released BIOS updates to correct the fan scaling which helped the problem which might also happen with the 4850.
July 20, 2008 7:03:50 PM

I am assuming that by the date of these posts that he already bought the 9800GTX?

I have two 9800GTX in SLI and they are great.

I also have a 4850 that I am having some driver issues with or something. Not great. So I say go for the 9800 if you haven't decided yet.

And all you people who are queer for the 4850, read all the tests. The 4850 does not blow away the 9800GTX. They are close, with the 9800GTX winning some matchups.
July 20, 2008 7:07:21 PM

4850

It is already faster than the 9800GTX and the drivers haven't even been optimized yet.

Besides, you should be rewarding ATI for their competition. If nvidia fight back in 6 months time with a better chip, then I would recommend them.
July 20, 2008 7:11:55 PM

I am glad ATI is competing. I bought one, ok. Now I am unhappy that it does not work right.

Now can ATI learn to make drivers that work? How hard can that be? The guy from Omega does it and he is actually better then the company that designs the board????

Oh ya, and talking about chips, the NVIDIA chip blows away the ATI. It takes two ATI 4870's to beat a GTX 280. Of course they are cheaper as well, but its the price not the chip that is hurting Nvidia.
Come on.

July 20, 2008 7:26:15 PM

AncientSword said:
Oh ya, and talking about chips, the NVIDIA chip blows away the ATI. It takes two ATI 4870's to beat a GTX 280. Of course they are cheaper as well, but its the price not the chip that is hurting Nvidia.

"Blows away" would be a misleading statement when the GTX 280 holds a much smaller edge over it than it holds over another card using the exact same GPU as the GTX 280 has, that being the GTX 260. The performance is very much a part of the equation, as it seriously complicates the issue for nVidia; competing on price-performance alone is all and good, but keep in mind that the graphics card market has a bunch of price segments. By rivaling the power of the GTX 280, the 4870 reaches close enough that it is taken into the same considerations, and hence, the GTX 280 winds up having to deal with price-performance scaling, which is a fatal weakness; As I've come to understand, thanks to a 576mm² die with abysmal yields, a whopping 16 chips of RAM, and a very large PCB and HSF necessary to support it all, the GTX 280 cannot be priced low enough to actually compete on a price/performance ratio to the 4870.

However, were the 4870 considerably weaker than the GTX 280, then it wouldn't matter; after all, the mid-range cards invariably slaughter the high end when it comes to what bang you get for your buck; the $100-200US segment always HAS made much more sense than the $500-700US segment in that respect.

However, when a card delivers performance in the class with that previously $500US+ segment, AND comes in at $300US or less, it not only wins on the price-performance battle, it makes that victory RELEVANT. Which is why the 4870 is considerably more worrying to nVidia than the 3870 was; the earlier card was a match for their 9600GT mid-range card, and couldn't really compete with their 8800GT or GTS, let alone their higher cards; to get top-shelf performance, you still had to go nVidia, and hence you still had to pay wads of cash. But now, it's "why by nVidia's best card for $450US+ when you can get the 4870 for $300US?" You never heard anyone saying the same thing about the 3870.
July 21, 2008 2:15:29 PM

Nah, I haven't yet decided. I have been messing around a little with my 8800gt still. I have isolated a good many of the hang-ups to my audio configuration. Except for the times when my card would freeze and appear as a shattered mirror then reboot, most freezes were accompanied by distorted or looped audio. I uninstalled my SB and every driver involved and went with the onboard Audio. After that, I was able to flash the gpu bios back to the OC settings and haven't had another episode...but I'm still testing; it can't be that simple.
If this problem turns out to be an Nvidia problem, I'm a little hesitant to go with the 9800gtx. Although, I am blown away by the performance (while they're working) of the Nvidia cards over ATI, I do appreciate low-maintenence stuff. Bear in mind, however, that I did upgrade from an ancient x850xt pe! So I really cant comment on any recent ATI releases, save my kid's x1950 which I must say, for what it is, is a great little card.

I appreciate everyone's input and will take it all into consideration

Hemphill

"Any step ahead is a step in the right direction!"
a b U Graphics card
July 21, 2008 2:50:44 PM

If you like using AA, the ATI cards are better , as seen and said here, from hardly a ATI site "AMD’s 4800 series and NVIDIA’s GT 200 series maintain a very competitive antialiasing image quality. However AA framerate performance is a bit different story. In real world gaming scenarios, with enthusiast-level 4870 X2 and GTX 280 cards, both in single GPU and SLI/CrossFireX configurations, AMD’s high-end antialiasing techniques are more likely to be useable than NVIDIA’s. We can finally say that all of these super-quality AA settings that have been little more than marketing fluff in the past have finally become attainable with the right hardware." http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUzMiw3... Also, Id like to point out that the GTX is older, and wont benefit from better drivers as opposed to the new ATI cards, which will only widen the gap betwwen these cards

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a b U Graphics card
May 20, 2009 3:05:27 PM

lol 4850 isnt anywhere near 9800 gtx what are u talking about.
May 22, 2009 1:42:15 AM

Quote:
lol 4850 isnt anywhere near 9800 gtx what are u talking about.


First of all this thread is 10 months old

Second, look here http://www.techspot.com/review/103-asus-radeon-4850/, and to quote myself "The 4850 is faster than the 8800GT, it is pretty much the same in performance as the 9800GTX+"

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