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Which video card should I buy?

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  • Geforce GTX 260 FTW edition
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  • AMD Radeon 4870 HD
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July 15, 2008 1:27:09 AM

I looked into both of these cards and they are very similar to me, the FTW edition of the 260 model of the GTX 200 series looks amazing. It is as good or almost as good as it's big brother, and I play on low res so the 896mb of memory is really good no need for a gb. the ati card is attractive and all, but idk about ATI.

What do you guys think??

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July 15, 2008 1:32:02 AM

They perform about the same and cost around the same. If you have a sli motherboard, get gtx260, if cf board, get 4870.
July 15, 2008 1:33:14 AM

I have a NON-SLI motherboard, EVGA Nforce 650i Ultra NON-SLI
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July 15, 2008 1:39:33 AM

mf2385 said:
I have a NON-SLI motherboard, EVGA Nforce 650i Ultra NON-SLI

Then either one is fine. Since performance is basically the same, buy whatever you can get for cheaper.
July 15, 2008 1:41:01 AM

will either of them work and be compatible with my EVGA Nforce 650i Ultra NON-sli motherboard and 650Watt PSU?
July 15, 2008 1:42:10 AM

mf2385 said:
will either of them work and be compatible with my EVGA Nforce 650i Ultra NON-sli motherboard and 650Watt PSU?

Yes, either will work fine.
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July 15, 2008 1:43:08 AM

in my opinion i would get the ati 4870 i believe it oc better and it supports havoc which nvidia doesnt. (o ya ati can use nvidia physics)
July 15, 2008 1:47:39 AM

invisik said:
in my opinion i would get the ati 4870 i believe it oc better and it supports havoc which nvidia doesnt. (o ya ati can use nvidia physics)

For OC, that is a big no. It's the other way around. 4870/4850 runs hot, and ocs badly (7%).
http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870...
Still, performance is good regardless.
July 15, 2008 1:53:09 AM

Yeah so idk the FTW edition of the GTX 260 or the HD4870 idk heh
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July 15, 2008 2:02:22 AM

Again, probably whichever is cheaper. I'd lean towards the 4870. The fan is quieter, and I'm not sure an overclocked 260 would be able to catch the 4870 in all games.
July 15, 2008 2:13:37 AM

4745454b said:
Again, probably whichever is cheaper. I'd lean towards the 4870. The fan is quieter, and I'm not sure an overclocked 260 would be able to catch the 4870 in all games.



That's not true. Overall, a stock gtx260 is about the same as stock 4870. Faster in some games, slower in others. Overall, 4870 is 1.5% faster, not really significant. See benchmark.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870...

If the gtx260 is oced, it should pull ahead. I wouldn't think the difference would be worth $50 though.

As for 4870 being quieter, it's only because fan speed is set low by the driver. Those things run hot, you should really bump up the fan speed manually.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870...
July 15, 2008 2:17:47 AM

well the gtx260 is not just oc its not even SUPER OC not even the SUPER SUPER OC its the FOR THE WIN EDITION, the best Overclocked 260 available out today factory manufactured.
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July 15, 2008 12:29:44 PM

Even your link shows its not 1.5 faster. Unless you are a dedicated Lost Planet fan, its a bit more like 5% faster. I don't know how much overclocking a GTX260 will add to it, I'm sure 5-10%. (you should also consider how much you can overclock the 4870. It might not (currently) be much, but its still more.)

Those things run hot, because the fan is to low. You just said it was low because of the driver, thats why its hot. Until we get a way to adjust the fan speed (and overclock it better) we have no real idea how loud it is, or how well it will overclock. Hopefully TrayTools will get updated at some point to better handle the 4870 bios and we can tweak it.

Again, I don't care what the manufacturer calls it. I don't care if its the magic golden finger super sample gainward power FTW edition card, its mostly just marketing. Just get whichever one is cheaper, the difference overall won't be much. (unless you love playing lost planet, then get the GTX260...)
July 15, 2008 10:29:26 PM

For fan speed in 4870 responsible for high temperature, no, it's not just the low fan speed. Although of course, it didn't help.
http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/24/first-review-hd-4870...
See the second gpuz screenshot, at 70% fan load, it is still ran at 97C, on a dual slot cooler too. The gpu itself runs hot. If you're hopeing that new driver will drop the temperature drastically, you'll be disappointed.
July 16, 2008 12:13:02 AM

I just don't know right now GTX 260 or maybe 280 at this point, but the price keeps going down, might as well wait for the ati 4870x2 and see if the GTX 280 will go down by then
July 16, 2008 12:21:52 AM

mf2385 said:
I have a NON-SLI motherboard, EVGA Nforce 650i Ultra NON-SLI



If you like games like GRID, Oblivion, The Witcher, Mass Effect, Call of Duty 4 - then go with the AMD 4870

If you like games like Crysis and Age of Conan - then go with the gtx260

Realistically, the real-world performance is near identical with either card. Even in Crysis they are very comparable - its only in Age of Conan that the gtx260 tends to outrun the 4870 a bit.

Gtx260 is a great overclocker, but don't pay for a "FTW" edition card - just get the stock card and overclock it if you want that extra performance; but generally its not worth the extra expense in my opinion.

Put this in perspective: for the price of a gtx260 FTW edition, you could get a AMD 4870 and an aftermarket GPU cooler which will 1: bring the temps down considerably and 2: allow you to overclock the 4870 at least a bit because you will eliminate the temperature issue.

Anyways, i'd lean towards the 4870 if you don't have CF or SLI as a current option, in my opinion.
July 16, 2008 12:26:43 AM

I never installed a custom gpu cooler for a video card before, idk, I mean I like playing MMORPGs and stuff looking forward to Warhammer and Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3, I might just stick it out for the GTX 280, and be good for awhile not sure.
July 16, 2008 12:56:02 AM

If you are going up to a gtx280, then wait for the 4870x2.

I don't have anything against Nvidia cards, I own gtx260s in SLI; but the 4870x2 is going to be the best single gpu solution you can get likely until at least next spring. Because you don't have crossfire or SLI capability, i'd recommend the 4870x2 over the gtx280 if you are willing to wait a bit longer.
July 16, 2008 1:02:01 AM

ovaltineplease said:
If you are going up to a gtx280, then wait for the 4870x2.

I don't have anything against Nvidia cards, I own gtx260s in SLI; but the 4870x2 is going to be the best single gpu solution you can get likely until at least next spring. Because you don't have crossfire or SLI capability, i'd recommend the 4870x2 over the gtx280 if you are willing to wait a bit longer.

Just to clearify, 4870x2 is not single gpu. The rumors that 4870x2 scales as single gpu has since died, now that benchmarks came out. Its performance is basically the same as 4870 cf.
July 16, 2008 1:04:25 AM

yeah and that is reallly good and better then GTX280
July 16, 2008 1:06:38 AM

but idk can my EVGA Nforce 650i Ultra Motherboard and 650 Watt PSU be compatible with the GTX 280 and/or the ati 4870x2?
July 16, 2008 1:08:02 AM

mf2385 said:
yeah and that is reallly good and better then GTX280



Yes, 4870 cf/4870x2 perform better than a single gtx280. In fact, sli two g92 8800gts (one costing $120 after rebates) perform better than a single gtx280. The gtx280 is good, but not nearly as good as it's hyped up to be.
July 16, 2008 1:17:52 AM

yeah true, so I guess I'll wait for the radeon 4870x2, the only question is does my mobo/psu support it?
July 16, 2008 1:20:01 AM

mf2385 said:
yeah true, so I guess I'll wait for the radeon 4870x2, the only question is does my mobo/psu support it?

Motherboard, as long as it has a pciex16 slot, will work. Not sure about psu. 650w is pushing it. If it's a good quality one with good 12v rail ratings, it could work, otherwise it may not.
July 16, 2008 1:23:16 AM

so you think I should upgrade to like a 800watt psu or something to be safe?
July 16, 2008 1:25:05 AM

But idk I have a budget of around 600 I want to spend max 700 on upgrades, I want to upgrade to 4gb from my 2gb right now of ddr2 pc6400. I want to upgrade to Vista 64-bit Home Premium too and it will utilize the ram. And also a video card to be able to play any game really well at lower Resolutions, I only have like a 19' 17.5 viewable LCD monitor I don't use High resolutions. so what do you guys think?
July 16, 2008 1:33:51 AM

800w should do fine. Also, feel free to try it out on the 650w one. It might just work and save you some money. No harm in trying.

As for that monitor, it's too small to take advantage of 4870x2. Although obviously you can always get a bigger one later, and there's no harm in having the card meanwhile.

For ram, you should definately get more than 2gb. Page from hdd will lag down your machine badly.
July 16, 2008 2:05:29 AM

So what do you think I don't use High resolutions and I don't need a huge monitor, I'm good with this one for now, atleast for awhile, so whats the verdict? I will have 4gb of pc6400 ram and vista 64-bit home premium. What card should I look at then?
July 16, 2008 2:18:45 AM

mf2385 said:
So what do you think I don't use High resolutions and I don't need a huge monitor, I'm good with this one for now, atleast for awhile, so whats the verdict? I will have 4gb of pc6400 ram and vista 64-bit home premium. What card should I look at then?

Skip the 4870x2 then. It's far overpowering for the rest of your outdated hardware.

Just get either gtx260 or 4870. Gtx260 is cheaper and overclock better, so it's the better deal. 4870 is fine too if it makes you happy. They're so close in value it doesn't matter. If you really want to go cheap, there's always the old g92 8800gts, costing around $120-150 ar. It performs 20% worse though.

The best thing is probably try to save money for a new rig, instead of throwing money at a dying machine on a shaky fundation (630i).
July 16, 2008 2:25:00 AM

lol the rest of my outdated hardware. what are you talking about, I don't use big LCD screens I don't have outdated hardware, it's not old not even a year dude, how is a duo core 2 3.0 ghz, 2gb pc6400 ram outdated? Its a 650i nforce ultra non-SLI I don't need sli dude, thats why I didn't buy one with SLI, I did it for a purpose. Outdated? no I choose not to have SLI I don't need all of that just one good card is good for my needs, and a non-humongous monitor I am going to have 4 gigs of ram ddr2 which is pretty good for a gamer, non crazy 3d apping or anything. Gaming and Homework and projects basically. I don't need a quad core 9550 right now the cpu I have now and 4 gigs of ram is more then enough for a gamer, I just want a good upgrade to my crapped out video card and upgrade to my OS to 64-bit and 4 gigs of ram, you call my system outdated my brother is running a Pentium D 2.6 ghz with 1gb of ram and a geforce 7600GS 256mb.

So what do you think since I have low res and non big screen needs, I want a good solid card for now and the future(maybe last for a year or 2)?
July 16, 2008 2:25:42 AM

and with regards to the PSU, usually the recommended is like 450 or 500 watts, so 650 should be fine.
July 16, 2008 2:34:41 AM

These are my options right now:

1)
-Upgrade to 3gb ddr2 pc6400
-Stick with my Windows XP professional for now (3gb will work good)
-upgrade to a very fast single slot pci-e video card probably GTX 280


2)
-upgrade to 4gb ddr2 pc6400
-upgrade to vista home premium 64-bit
-upgrade to a pretty good video card, not the gtx 280 or 4870x2
(maybe the 4870 or gtx260)


now that I think of It I don't really need the Vista upgrade if I don't have 4gb of ram and 3gb of system memory is really good right now, I don't use any really amazing apps or anything and for gaming use I think it is good atleast for awhule when I make a motherboard/cpu upgrade in the future.

I think choice one is easier for now, I could even upgrade the PSU if need be but for a single PCI-E card like the GTX280 I don't think I will need more then a 650watt PSU.
July 16, 2008 2:35:24 AM

mf2385 said:
and with regards to the PSU, usually the recommended is like 450 or 500 watts, so 650 should be fine.



For a single 4870 or gtx269, it's definately enough.

As for "outdate," it is in comparasion to the 4870x2. Those things are relative. Putting a 500hp engine on a minivan and whatnot... :p 

3gb is an atypical setup. It can be quirky and cause problems. 1gb of ddr2 800mhz is about $20 those days. Just get the 4gb even if you don't upgrade OS.
July 16, 2008 2:36:35 AM

Basically it will be a gaming PC for such games like Warhammer and Starcraft 2, diablo 3, you get the idea, and HW on the side at school.
July 16, 2008 2:37:46 AM

yeah So what do you think option one is good for awhile then? duo core 2 3.0ghz (I will OC to 3.4 I think, maybe 3.0 is good for now tho) 3gb pc6400, and gtx 280? I think thats a good gaming pc for now and awhile? Don't you think?
July 16, 2008 2:43:05 AM

mf2385 said:
yeah So what do you think option one is good for awhile then? duo core 2 3.0ghz (I will OC to 3.4 I think, maybe 3.0 is good for now tho) 3gb pc6400, and gtx 280? I think thats a good gaming pc for now and awhile? Don't you think?

I can't recommend the gtx280 if bang for the buck matters. It's just too overpriced. You can get a 750i sli motherboard for $120 ar, plus two g92 8800gts for $120 ar each. It would significantly outperform a single gtx280, for much less, plus you get the better motherboard that can oc your existing cpu higher. Not that you should go this way, but it would achieve much better results than just one overpriced gtx280.
July 16, 2008 2:54:11 AM

how about this, for my budget purposes, I upgrade to windows vista 64-bit premium, 4 gigs pc6400 (utilized ram), and the GTX 260 Superclocked version, what do you think of that to go with my Duo Core 2 3.0ghz processor
July 16, 2008 3:01:02 AM

mf2385 said:
how about this, for my budget purposes, I upgrade to windows vista 64-bit premium, 4 gigs pc6400 (utilized ram), and the GTX 260 Superclocked version, what do you think of that to go with my Duo Core 2 3.0ghz processor

The superclocked version, for $360, is not a good buy. But go for it if it makes you happy. :p 

The cpu shouldn't bottleneck. Still has some life in it.
July 16, 2008 3:02:50 AM

yeah it does and nothing immaculate is coming out that a duo core 2 3.0 can't handle anytime soon, and the SC version is only 310 bucks dude, as much as the 4870 but better then it now SC. and it's NVIDIA and EVGA 2 good brands.
July 16, 2008 3:04:56 AM

actually the 260 GTX SC edition is 279.99 with mail-in rebate, so yeah
July 16, 2008 3:05:25 AM

mf2385 said:
yeah it does and nothing immaculate is coming out that a duo core 2 3.0 can't handle anytime soon, and the SC version is only 310 bucks dude, as much as the 4870 but better then it now SC. and it's NVIDIA and EVGA 2 good brands.

Then get it. You don't need my permission, it's your money. It still cost higher, but close enough to not really matter. :p 
July 16, 2008 3:06:26 AM

mf2385 said:
actually the 260 GTX SC edition is 279.99 with mail-in rebate, so yeah

That's a good price then. Go for it.
July 16, 2008 3:16:26 AM

I have one more question kind of not related, I am going to get Windows Vista 64-bit Home Premium, it says you need a 64-bit processor and stuff, should I be good with what I have and am upgrading too?
July 16, 2008 3:17:42 AM

The 64-bit editions of Windows Vista are for the serious computer users who have advanced high-performance needs and are running a computer system with a 64-bit processor.


thats what it says on the microsoft site, idk

I wanted the 64-bit edition So I can utilize all the memory and get better performance and such with it as well as it is new technology.
July 16, 2008 3:24:48 AM

I have an Intel Duo Core 2 3.0ghz, I think it is compatible
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