I'm making a new build and i think i have found the best bang for the buck. I'm still not sure about some of the parts so please tell me what you think.
And does anyone know if Ubuntu (or just linux in general) will support this hardware?
Here are the parts. My budget is about 700-800 dollars. I already have a monitor (22" 1680x1050), keyboard, mouse, and i am getting a msdn copy of windows (xp).
OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P800R22GK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227139 43.99 ($25 MIR) (final 18.99)
I'm getting two of these for a total of 4gb of RAM.
LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106072 31.99
I'm planing on overclocking the CPU to 3.0GHz. I have never overclocked before but it doesn't sound all that hard.
I also planning on putting that pci slot cooler under the GPU to maybe help cool it down a little bit.
Is the power supply good? Will that be enough to power my system (it will have a extra hard drive to power too)?
Is the RAM good? i have heard that 4-4-4-12 is good, but is 4-4-4-15 good? or should i go with more expensive RAM? I will be ordering tomorrow evening. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
4-4-4-15 is fine. I know that RAM is cheap- but 4x 1GB is not a good idea. It limits future upgrades and can slow you down. You will only get the rebate on one kit. But its still cheaper than 2x 2GB.
Change the motherboard to a P45 chipset board. P35 is on the way out. Look at the MSI Neo-F or Neo-3R.
PSU is ok... Corsair/PC Power and Cooling is better.
3.0 will be easy on that CPU. That PCI slot cooler is a waste of $4.50 + S&H. I had one. Completely useless until the fan broke off from the slot then even more useless.
Okay thanks for the info. I didn't know that i would only get the mail in rebate on one of the RAM kits. How about one of these RAM kits? They will be about the same price.
What are the exact advantages of a p45 over a p35, other then PCI-E 2.0? I did look at the one you suggested but it didn't have very good reviews (couldn't find the Neo-3R), i'm not to sure about that one. I could get ASUS P5Q Pro and the Asus version of the 4850, they combo deal to save $30.
This motherboard has crossfire which i probably won't use, but if i did at some point decide too, could i put a 4870 together with the 4850? This is just a hypothetical question. I probably will just keep with one video card.
and
ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121253 $199.99 ($30 MIR) (final $169.99)
I will pick up the Arctic MX-2 instead of the Silver 5. I just picked the Silver 5 because it had so many good reviews on newegg.
Since the PCI slot card is useless do you know of any that will actually work good? like maybe a VANTEC SP-FC70-BL? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835888112 it may not move the air out of the case but it might move it away from the video card some and improves my temps a little bit or should i just give up on the pci slot cooler idea?
Also if this isn't a good power supply can someone recommend a good one for about $50-$100? I'm at a total loss as far as power supplies go.
An early review of the P45 Asus boards.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3309 Since the P43/P45 boards were only released about 2 weeks ago reviews are still a bit thin. "Rumor" has it that the P31/P35 boards will begin to be phased out in favor of the new boards. The crossfire on the new boards is limited to 8x per card, they are not a good choice to crossfire, but they do have the PCIe 2.0 which is an advantage as graphic cards become more and more powerful. The heat of the new 4850s is more a driver problem than a physical card problem having to do with fan speeds, my bet is that ATI will fix it within the next few weeks. If heating is a problem with the card any aftermarket cooling solution that fit a 3850/3870 will fit on the 4850. OCZ makes decent power supplies, not in the same tier as PC Power and Cooling (which is owned by OCZ) or Corsair, but they get decent reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139004 for single card, not for Xfire.
Message edited by dirtmountain on 06-28-2008 at 07:22:40 AM
The OCZ your selected is an excellent PSU and you found a bargain price for it. The PC Power and Cooling may be a little better - but you could not touch one for the price of the OCZ. In your price range I would say go for the OCZ and fell very comfortable with it.
You did an excellent job of allocating money to the key performance parts - the CPU and graphics card, and still finding solid options for the mobo, memory and PSU. Your original choices are excellent - if you can afford some of the upgrades suggested - particularly getting the P45 mobo - so much the better.
Message edited by rockyjohn on 06-28-2008 at 07:39:59 AM
Okay thanks for the info. I didn't know that i would only get the mail in rebate on one of the RAM kits. How about one of these RAM kits? They will be about the same price.
What are the exact advantages of a p45 over a p35, other then PCI-E 2.0? I did look at the one you suggested but it didn't have very good reviews (couldn't find the Neo-3R), i'm not to sure about that one.
I could get ASUS P5Q Pro and the Asus version of the 4850, they combo deal to save $30.
This motherboard has crossfire which i probably won't use, but if i did at some point decide too, could i put a 4870 together with the 4850? This is just a hypothetical question. I probably will just keep with one video card.
and
ASUS EAH4850/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121253 $199.99 ($30 MIR) (final $169.99)
I will pick up the Arctic MX-2 instead of the Silver 5. I just picked the Silver 5 because it had so many good reviews on newegg.
Since the PCI slot card is useless do you know of any that will actually work good? like maybe a VANTEC SP-FC70-BL?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835888112 it may not move the air out of the case but it might move it away from the video card some and improves my temps a little bit or should i just give up on the pci slot cooler idea?
Also if this isn't a good power supply can someone recommend a good one for about $50-$100? I'm at a total loss as far as power supplies go.
Well i'm going to be ordering within the next few hours (or so i hope) I decided to get the ASUS P5Q Pro and Asus 4850 combo ($319.98 and $30 MIR). Right now the only thing left undecided is the power supply. Any tips in this area would be a great help. Right now i'm stuck between the one that dirtmountaim suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139004 and the Gamexstream
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] 504&ps=pn3 I don't want to spend more then $80 (after MIR) on a power supply and the lower the price the better. I don't want to sacrifice quality though either.
Well i'm going to be ordering within the next few hours (or so i hope) I decided to get the ASUS P5Q Pro and Asus 4850 combo ($319.98 and $30 MIR). Right now the only thing left undecided is the power supply. Any tips in this area would be a great help. Right now i'm stuck between the one that dirtmountaim suggested http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139004 and the Gamexstream http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Prod [...] 504&ps=pn3 I don't want to spend more then $80 (after MIR) on a power supply and the lower the price the better. I don't want to sacrifice quality though either.
The second one has higher 12v rail ampage. It's old atx12v, and has 4 rails at 18amp each. The first one use newer atx12v v2.2, and therefore get 41amps on a single large rail. The split rails suffer from some power loss on switch, but overall it's still significantly more powerful.
The second one has higher 12v rail ampage. It's old atx12v, and has 4 rails at 18amp each. The first one use newer atx12v v2.2, and therefore get 41amps on a single large rail. The split rails suffer from some power loss on switch, but overall it's still significantly more powerful.
So the Gamexstream will have a total of 72amps i'm guessing. So will i even need that extra 31amps? will it be overkill for my system? and your talking about power loss, are we talking a big power loss or a small one. I don't really want to up the power bill to much, or add to much heat to my case.
So the Gamexstream will have a total of 72amps i'm guessing. So will i even need that extra 31amps? will it be overkill for my system? and your talking about power loss, are we talking a big power loss or a small one. I don't really want to up the power bill to much, or add to much heat to my case.
You can't add up the rails, there is some loss, which depend on load and other factors. It shouldn't be large though. It's split rail, so the behavior really isn't the same. To simplify, I'd say it's basically around 20amps more. And the power isn't as much being "lost" as just stay unused.
As for power bill, it depends mostly on how much juice your components actually use, not the max limit of power the psu provide. Power bill from a 750w psu with 500w being used and 650w with the same 500w being used is basically the same. Higher power psus tend to be slightly less efficient on low load than lower ones, but the waste there is probably a dollar or two per year.
There are also psus that can split/combine rails using a manual switch. The one I use is like this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817101029 Normal output is 4x20amps on split rails. There's a button on the back that combines them into a single large rail. As far as I can tell, it's pretty much meaningless though.
You can't add up the rails, there is some loss, which depend on load and other factors. It shouldn't be large though. It's split rail, so the behavior really isn't the same. To simplify, I'd say it's basically around 20amps more. And the power isn't as much being "lost" as just stay unused.
As for power bill, it depends mostly on how much juice your components actually use, not the max limit of power the psu provide. Power bill from a 750w psu with 500w being used and 650w with the same 500w being used is basically the same. Higher power psus tend to be slightly less efficient on low load than lower ones, but the waste there is probably a dollar or two per year.
There are also psus that can split/combine rails using a manual switch. The one I use is like this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817101029 Normal output is 4x20amps on split rails. There's a button on the back that combines them into a single large rail. As far as I can tell, it's pretty much meaningless though.
So basically, if i get the gamexstream the power bill will go up about $1 a year and i will get a more powerful PSU for a cheaper price. While if i i go with the Corsair i will have a lower power bill (by $1), a lesser powerful PSU and it will be more expensive? Is that the basic gist of it?
So basically, if i get the gamexstream the power bill will go up about $1 a year and i will get a more powerful PSU for a cheaper price. While if i i go with the Corsair i will have a lower power bill (by $1), a lesser powerful PSU and it will be more expensive? Is that the basic gist of it?
Basically right, but don't go by $1. I was just making up a number. It probably won't be that high.
They're both overkill for your configuration, so you can't go wrong with either one. Don't stress yourself out over it. I just kept rambling on and on because you asked.
Okay thanks for all the info! I will just get the OCZ Gamexstream then. it is cheaper. I don't see the sense in paying more for something that won't be any better. Thank you you all for all of the help now i can order with my mind at ease.
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