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Anonymous
August 22, 2005 8:49:02 PM

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Well Microsoft is going to charge me $84 for one additional licence so that
I can have XP upgrade on both my laptop and my desktop, I might as well just
go to the computer store and buy another upgrade and save myself $5!

If I call MS and ask to have my upgrade moved to a different computer, how
will they know that I haven't uninstalled it from the first computer? Will
the first computer that it was installed on, just miraculously quit working,
after they give me a new key (if that's how they do it) & activate? I'm not
saying that's what I'm going to do, I guess it won't be so bad going back to
Win'98 on my old laptop, I'm just curious!

Thanks!

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Anonymous
August 22, 2005 11:28:12 PM

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You need to purchase a new Windows XP license for each
installation on a different computer. You cannot use the
same license (Product Key) if you install on different PCs.

Please read your End-User License Agreement by going
to Start > Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter. Then
click on "End-User License Agreement".

From the Windows XP EULA:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Software on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other
device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not
be used by more than two (2) processors at any one
time on any single Workstation Computer.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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"Lunaray" wrote:

| Well Microsoft is going to charge me $84 for one additional licence so that
| I can have XP upgrade on both my laptop and my desktop, I might as well just
| go to the computer store and buy another upgrade and save myself $5!
|
| If I call MS and ask to have my upgrade moved to a different computer, how
| will they know that I haven't uninstalled it from the first computer? Will
| the first computer that it was installed on, just miraculously quit working,
| after they give me a new key (if that's how they do it) & activate? I'm not
| saying that's what I'm going to do, I guess it won't be so bad going back to
| Win'98 on my old laptop, I'm just curious!
|
| Thanks!
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 12:35:52 AM

Archived from groups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics (More info?)

Hi,

They won't know that you haven't removed it. If it's a retail disk and you
tell them you are moving it to a new system, you should be provided with a
new activation code (this has to be phoned in). There is nothing in place to
fully determine that you have complied with the agreement to remove it from
the first system. And, actually, if you wait 120 days, the second
installation will probably activate normally as the activation servers are
reset.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Lunaray" <yar@nehalemtelNOT.net> wrote in message
news:11gkp38mdfsop70@corp.supernews.com...
> Well Microsoft is going to charge me $84 for one additional licence so
> that I can have XP upgrade on both my laptop and my desktop, I might as
> well just go to the computer store and buy another upgrade and save myself
> $5!
>
> If I call MS and ask to have my upgrade moved to a different computer, how
> will they know that I haven't uninstalled it from the first computer?
> Will the first computer that it was installed on, just miraculously quit
> working, after they give me a new key (if that's how they do it) &
> activate? I'm not saying that's what I'm going to do, I guess it won't be
> so bad going back to Win'98 on my old laptop, I'm just curious!
>
> Thanks!
>
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Anonymous
August 23, 2005 12:35:53 AM

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"Rick \"Nutcase\" Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>They won't know that you haven't removed it. If it's a retail disk and you
>tell them you are moving it to a new system, you should be provided with a
>new activation code (this has to be phoned in). There is nothing in place to
>fully determine that you have complied with the agreement to remove it from
>the first system. And, actually, if you wait 120 days, the second
>installation will probably activate normally as the activation servers are
>reset.


You will, however, be in deep dark doggy-doo if you have to reinstall
the XP on the first computer for any reason.

And the new validation process for Windows Updates may catch up with
you even before then.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 12:35:54 AM

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"Ron Martell" wrote:
> "Rick \"Nutcase\" Rogers" wrote:
>>They won't know that you haven't removed it. If it's a retail disk and you
>>tell them you are moving it to a new system, you should be provided with a
>>new activation code (this has to be phoned in). There is nothing in place to
>>fully determine that you have complied with the agreement to remove it from
>>the first system. And, actually, if you wait 120 days, the second
>>installation will probably activate normally as the activation servers are
>>reset.
>
>
> You will, however, be in deep dark doggy-doo if you have to reinstall
> the XP on the first computer for any reason.
>
> And the new validation process for Windows Updates may catch up
> with you even before then.


How would the Windows Update validation process know
if it's residing in the original OS or in a clone of it?

*TimDaniels*
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 11:20:24 AM

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Lunaray wrote:

> Well Microsoft is going to charge me $84 for one additional licence
> so that I can have XP upgrade on both my laptop and my desktop, I
> might as well just go to the computer store and buy another upgrade
> and save myself $5!


Yes, as I and others have often pointed out here, buying a second license
from Microsoft is unfortunately not a good deal. You can do better by
yourself.



> If I call MS and ask to have my upgrade moved to a different
> computer, how will they know that I haven't uninstalled it from the
> first computer?


They won't know. They trust you to tell the truth. Widnows Product
Activation is not an iron-clad scheme that prevents you from violating the
llicensing rules. It still relies on you to follow the rules. It's meant to
discourage casual piracy, and can't absolutely prevent it. WPA is a pretty
easy scheme for most of us to live with, and hardly inconveniences us at
all. If it were to be much more secure, it would undoutedly inconvenience
all of us much more.

--
Ken Blake
Please Reply to the Newsgroup



> Will the first computer that it was installed on,
> just miraculously quit working, after they give me a new key (if
> that's how they do it) & activate? I'm not saying that's what I'm
> going to do, I guess it won't be so bad going back to Win'98 on my
> old laptop, I'm just curious!
> Thanks!
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 6:01:20 PM

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"Timothy Daniels" <TDaniels@NoSpamDot.com> wrote:


>
> How would the Windows Update validation process know
> if it's residing in the original OS or in a clone of it?
>
>*TimDaniels*


Not sure if it would. There is scant information available as yet as
to the internal workings of the validation process.

But as I understand it when there are two or more installs using the
same product key the first one to validate will go through okay and
the others will be in difficulty.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
Anonymous
August 24, 2005 7:44:51 AM

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"Ron Martell" <ron.martell@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6h2lg1537eklrtv6pcgftr52c4bdo5v5u7@4ax.com...
> "Rick \"Nutcase\" Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>They won't know that you haven't removed it. If it's a retail disk and you
>>tell them you are moving it to a new system, you should be provided with a
>>new activation code (this has to be phoned in). There is nothing in place
>>to
>>fully determine that you have complied with the agreement to remove it
>>from
>>the first system. And, actually, if you wait 120 days, the second
>>installation will probably activate normally as the activation servers are
>>reset.
>
>
> You will, however, be in deep dark doggy-doo if you have to reinstall
> the XP on the first computer for any reason.
>
> And the new validation process for Windows Updates may catch up with
> you even before then.

Doesn't seem to wanna work for me anyways. Can't seem to find what's
stopping it's Validation ActiveX control from running after it's dl'd.

>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVP
> On-Line Help Computer Service
> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>
> In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
> http://aumha.org/alex.htm
!