Backup Palm?

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Dennis Herrick <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in
news:BDA1CCF2.1DD0%herrickd@huntingdon.edu:

> I've currently got a Samsung Palm phone (i300) with my PC using Outlook
> (and Dataviz)
>
> I've also got a Tungsten E -- is there a way to use this as a "backup"
> of the same data in Outook? I assume that if I plug this E into the
> machine and attempt a hotsync operation it should ask my user name, and
> it should work. But can I go back and forth with 2 handhelds on the same
> machine with the same data?
>
> I'm very paranoid about my data and don't want to experiment with this
> unless there's some possibility of success.

As long as the hotsync name is different for the two handhelds, there is no
problem. The Palm desktop will keep completely separate files for them. If
you try to use the same name on both, you're in for trouble.

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Stan

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On 10/25/04 12:23 AM, in article Xns958D3FE296D3stanghalpc@204.52.135.40,
"Stan Gosnell" <fakename@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>
> As long as the hotsync name is different for the two handhelds, there is no
> problem. The Palm desktop will keep completely separate files for them. If
> you try to use the same name on both, you're in for trouble.

But that¹s exactly the opposite of what I want to do.... I've got ONE set of
files in Outlook that I want on TWO palm handheld computers..... I'm not
trying to use two handhelds on one computer with separate data for each....

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try this....

when you gonna backup your data in the Tungsten E, change first the
direction of the sync to make "PC overwrite handheld first" in the hotsync
options...... when finish return the option to "handheld overwrite PC"

sorry for my english...

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"Dennis Herrick" <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> escribió en el mensaje
news:BDA1CCF2.1DD0%herrickd@huntingdon.edu...
> I've currently got a Samsung Palm phone (i300) with my PC using Outlook
(and
> Dataviz)
>
> I've also got a Tungsten E -- is there a way to use this as a "backup" of
> the same data in Outook? I assume that if I plug this E into the machine
and
> attempt a hotsync operation it should ask my user name, and it should
work.
> But can I go back and forth with 2 handhelds on the same machine with the
> same data?
>
> I'm very paranoid about my data and don't want to experiment with this
> unless there's some possibility of success.
>

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"Manolo(MX)" <manolo1103nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> try this....
>
> when you gonna backup your data in the Tungsten E, change first the
> direction of the sync to make "PC overwrite handheld first" in the hotsync
> options...... when finish return the option to "handheld overwrite PC"

So I can have the same user name on both units, and on the "backup" one,
just set the conduits so that PC overwrites handheld...

That sounds like that should work

Anyone see problems here?

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Dennis Herrick <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in
news:BDA26A9A.285F%herrickd@huntingdon.edu:

> But that¹s exactly the opposite of what I want to do.... I've got ONE
> set of files in Outlook that I want on TWO palm handheld computers.....
> I'm not trying to use two handhelds on one computer with separate data
> for each....

No, that's exactly what you want to do. When you sync your Palm to Outlook,
a separate file is maintained in your Palm directory with the data, one for
each Palm. Giving them the same hotsync name will cause data corruption.
Give them separate names, and then hotsync each, and they will both sync with
Outlook, provided you've set them up that way. I don't use Outlook because
of the security issues that Microsoft admits they can't solve, but that works
for everyone else. Check the PalmOne site for detailed information.

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Stan

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"Stan Gosnell" <fakename@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
news:Xns958DAEBCA41EEstanghalpc@204.52.135.40...
>> But that¹s exactly the opposite of what I want to do.... I've got ONE
>> set of files in Outlook that I want on TWO palm handheld computers.....
>> I'm not trying to use two handhelds on one computer with separate data
>> for each....
>
> No, that's exactly what you want to do. When you sync your Palm to
> Outlook,
> a separate file is maintained in your Palm directory with the data, one
> for
> each Palm. Giving them the same hotsync name will cause data corruption.
> Give them separate names, and then hotsync each, and they will both sync
> with
> Outlook, provided you've set them up that way.

So I have a unique user name for each handheld, but both sync to Outlook? I
guess I'm getting confused on the logic of all this. I know I can't sync to
the same Palm Desktop data, but maybe that's possible with Outlook....

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"Dennis Herrick" <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in news:21efd.1786$jB3.1467
@fe61.usenetserver.com:

> So I can have the same user name on both units, and on the "backup" one,
> just set the conduits so that PC overwrites handheld...
>
> That sounds like that should work
>
> Anyone see problems here?

Yes. You're begging for data corruption. You should never sync two Palms
with the same name to the same desktop, regardless of the hotsync manager
settings.

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Stan

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"Stan Gosnell" <fakename@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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>> Anyone see problems here?
>
> Yes. You're begging for data corruption. You should never sync two Palms
> with the same name to the same desktop, regardless of the hotsync manager
> settings.

That's DEFINITELY the one thing I do NOT want....

How about if I synchronise the main one, copy the data from Palm Desktop to
the other user, then sync that one? Problem there is that the first one uses
Outlook and Dataviz, and the 2nd one should only go to Palm Desktop. I think
Desktop To Go can choose for each user where to synch.....

So, do the sync with the primary device, copy the dat files to the other
user name, set DTG to sync that user to Palm Desktop, then sync the 2nd
device.... How does that sound?

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"Dennis Herrick" <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in
news:g4ffd.1809$jB3.1393@fe61.usenetserver.com:

> How about if I synchronise the main one, copy the data from Palm Desktop
> to the other user, then sync that one? Problem there is that the first
> one uses Outlook and Dataviz, and the 2nd one should only go to Palm
> Desktop. I think Desktop To Go can choose for each user where to
> synch.....

The hotsync manager can do this automagically. You can sync as many Palms as
you like to the same PC, and sync the address books to whatever you want -
Palm Desktop, Outlook, Lotus Organizer, Yahoo web, or whatever. All that is
kept track of using the hotsync names.

> So, do the sync with the primary device, copy the dat files to the other
> user name, set DTG to sync that user to Palm Desktop, then sync the 2nd
> device.... How does that sound?

Just give the Palms different names, and hotsync them. The new one will
automatically sync with the Palm desktop, unless you install a different
conduit.

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Stan

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"Stan Gosnell" <fakename@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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> Just give the Palms different names, and hotsync them. The new one will
> automatically sync with the Palm desktop, unless you install a different
> conduit.

But typically a new user name will have a new set of data.... User1, for
example, could be me with tons of stuff. I add a new handheld with a
different user name (User2) and it has separate calendar, datebook, etc. and
isn't touching the data for User1.

I'm after User1 data on BOTH devices......

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"Stan Gosnell" <fakename@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
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> Just give the Palms different names, and hotsync them. The new one will
> automatically sync with the Palm desktop, unless you install a different
> conduit.

But unless I'm missing something you're saying, differnent user names can go
to the same data. I know I can have multiple users, but each has his own
separate calendar, addressbook, etc. all handled by hotsync. I'm after using
the SAME data for both of the handhelds.

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"Dennis Herrick" <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in
news:tfgfd.1894$xk5.1730@fe39.usenetserver.com:

> But typically a new user name will have a new set of data.... User1, for
> example, could be me with tons of stuff. I add a new handheld with a
> different user name (User2) and it has separate calendar, datebook, etc.
> and isn't touching the data for User1.
>
> I'm after User1 data on BOTH devices......

Now I'm confused. You said above that one will sync to Outlook and one to
Palm Desktop. If you want both Palms to have exactly the same data, then
you've got problems. You're guaranteed to get corrupted data eventually, if
not immediately, if you try to sync 2 Palms with the same name.

You can use different names, and copy the backup file from the first to the
backup folder of the second, perhaps, but what you want to do isn't really
possible, unless I'm still confused about what you want - and that's
certainly possible.

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Stan

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"Dennis Herrick" <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in
news:khffd.1886$xk5.784@fe39.usenetserver.com:


> So I have a unique user name for each handheld, but both sync to
> Outlook? I guess I'm getting confused on the logic of all this. I know I
> can't sync to the same Palm Desktop data, but maybe that's possible with
> Outlook....

That's the way I understand it, but I admit to not using Outlook. I won't
let it be installed on my computer, because of the deep security problems
that Microsoft admits to not being able to fix.

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Stan

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If you're using the Palm Desktop:
- set one user as the Master
- sync one Palm to the Master
- In the Palm Desktop, manually export the data from Master to a file
- then, still in the Palm Desktop, manually import that data into your
secondary user
- sync your secondary user's Palm.

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"Dennis Herrick" <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in message
news:MGhfd.1913$xk5.638@fe39.usenetserver.com...
>
> "Stan Gosnell" <fakename@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns958DB2DA44924stanghalpc@204.52.135.40...
>
> > Just give the Palms different names, and hotsync them. The new one will
> > automatically sync with the Palm desktop, unless you install a different
> > conduit.
>
> But unless I'm missing something you're saying, differnent user names can
go
> to the same data. I know I can have multiple users, but each has his own
> separate calendar, addressbook, etc. all handled by hotsync. I'm after
using
> the SAME data for both of the handhelds.
>
>
>

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On 10/25/04 10:05 PM, in article Xns958DE0CCA2164stanghalpc@204.52.135.40,
"Stan Gosnell" <fakename@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

> "Dennis Herrick" <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in
> news:tfgfd.1894$xk5.1730@fe39.usenetserver.com:
>
> Now I'm confused. You said above that one will sync to Outlook and one to
> Palm Desktop. If you want both Palms to have exactly the same data, then
> you've got problems. You're guaranteed to get corrupted data eventually, if
> not immediately, if you try to sync 2 Palms with the same name.

Let me elaborate a little... I have a samsung i300 phone -- runs Palm OS. I
sync to a PC. I've also got a Mac powerbook and the Samsung can NOT connect
to it (serial connection, and several serial to usb things I've tried
haven't worked).

I figured IF I could get the data from the Samsung phone to the Tungsten E
on the PC, then I could sync the Tungsten to the Powerbook and get the data
there. This also gives a backup of the handheld by having it on the Tungsten
E identical with the data on the Samsung.

So -- my primary device is the Samsung phone. I want the data from the PC
(in Outlook, with auto backup to Palm Desktop) to get to the powerbook very
often. I know there's scripts that can convert Outlook to Entourage, etc.
but I don't want to have to do this every few days. I thought there ought to
be a way to do this with the two handhelds.....

(Or I could ditch the Samsung and get a new phone with Palm OS, but that's a
more expensive solution)

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On 10/26/04 10:46 AM, in article 10nssa5lippaj95@corp.supernews.com,
"Baxter" <lbax01.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote:

> If you're using the Palm Desktop:
> - set one user as the Master
> - sync one Palm to the Master
> - In the Palm Desktop, manually export the data from Master to a file
> - then, still in the Palm Desktop, manually import that data into your
> secondary user
> - sync your secondary user's Palm.

If I just copied the calendar.dat and contacts.dat (or whatever they're
called) from the Master user in Palm Desktop to the other user, would this
work, or is there something in the data itself that identifies the user?

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Dennis Herrick <herrickd@huntingdon.edu> wrote in
news:BDA5454B.2D30%herrickd@huntingdon.edu:

> Let me elaborate a little... I have a samsung i300 phone -- runs Palm
> OS. I sync to a PC. I've also got a Mac powerbook and the Samsung can
> NOT connect to it (serial connection, and several serial to usb things
> I've tried haven't worked).

Oh, Lord, you're throwing in a phone AND a Mac? I'm throwing in the towel.
Good luck.

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Stan